Roger Federer: ‘People still ask me about that Novak Djokovic defeat at Wimbledon’

Sure it was terrible to lose that match from a winning position and with all the stats showing that he was the better player overall (except for those crucial points), but lets remember he won the friggin' event 8 times before that match.

In contrast, McEnroe still feeling haunted by his 1984 FO final loss makes sense because he never wound up winning it.

I recall that 1984 McEnroe season. Super dominant - but after Wimbledon and USO he never won another major. It seemed like fame, drugs, Tatum, Lendl, and graphite rackets conspired to end his run. Tried valiantly in 85. Also, his temper finally became a on-court negative.
 
I recall that 1984 McEnroe season. Super dominant - but after Wimbledon and USO he never won another major. It seemed like fame, drugs, Tatum, Lendl, and graphite rackets conspired to end his run. Tried valiantly in 85. Also, his temper finally became a on-court negative.
It's quite odd to be that dominant and have one of the greatest seasons of all time, and never win another Slam after that season. He was only 25 in 1984 too.
 
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“When I was young, I wasn’t even angry when I lost, but extremely sad. I couldn’t think straight.
That's a lie. Young Federer got so angry and threw a game controller out of the room when he lost a video game against his friend. He also threw his racquet in a tennis academy which tore the curtain of the court and got punished for it.
 
It's quite odd to be that dominant and have one of the greatest seasons of all time, and never win another Slam after that season. He was only 25 in 1984 too.
The changing technology was also a big factor. It was far less of a factor pre-1982 and 2005-present.

Still, if someone had said after McEnroe won the 1984 US Open that he would never again win another singles major, people would have been calling for the men in the white coats. It would have been the same if people had said after 1993 Wimbledon that Courier would never reach another final at a major.
 
The changing technology was also a big factor. It was far less of a factor pre-1982 and 2005-present.

Still, if someone had said after McEnroe won the 1984 US Open that he would never again win another singles major, people would have been calling for the men in the white coats. It would have been the same if people had said after 1993 Wimbledon that Courier would never reach another final at a major.
Didn't McEnroe change to a graphite racket in 1983 though? It seems to be another reason and I've read a lot of rumors he had an issue with drugs especially when he was with Tatum. All that seemed to happen around that time.
 
Didn't McEnroe change to a graphite racket in 1983 though? It seems to be another reasons and I've read a lot of rumors he had an issue with drugs especially when he was with Tatum. All that seemed to happen around that time.
The technology kept changing as time went on. Look at the power game changing as the 1980s went on and into the 1990s. McEnroe admitted being spooked by the serving of Curren and Becker at 1985 Wimbledon. Normal service seemed to be resumed in the 1985 North American hardcourt season, though Lendl took the number 1 ranking from McEnroe. McEnroe took a 6-month break from tennis from January to July 1986, which did a lot of damage, as things continued to change in his absence, like Lendl reaching his best form and an 18-year-old Becker doing very well himself.

However good players like Curren and Becker were serving at 1985 Wimbledon, it's not much in absolute terms compared to what Ivanisevic and Sampras were doing by the 1990s.
 
The technology kept changing as time went on. Look at the power game changing as the 1980s went on and into the 1990s. McEnroe admitted being spooked by the serving of Curren and Becker at 1985 Wimbledon. Normal service seemed to be resumed in the 1985 North American hardcourt season, though Lendl took the number 1 ranking from McEnroe. McEnroe took a 6-month break from tennis from January to July 1986, which did a lot of damage, as things continued to change in his absence, like Lendl reaching his best form and an 18-year-old Becker doing very well himself.

However good players like Curren and Becker were serving at 1985 Wimbledon, it's not much in absolute terms compared to what Ivanisevic and Sampras were doing by the 1990s.
That's true but it's still odd that a player can own a field to that extent like McEnroe did in 1984 and never win another Slam. He had separated himself from his rivals at that point and was barely losing. Technology changes can be seen in a few years no doubt but since he had already made the switch in 1983, it shouldn't have affected him to that extent in 1985 and 1986. I think the 6 month absence in 1986 played a larger role than that.
 
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- Najveća pobeda bila je nad Rafaelom Nadalom na Australijan openu 2017. godine. Za mene je to bila najvažnija pobeda u istoriji tenisa. Sa druge strane, poraz od Đokovića na Vimbldonu 2019. godine nismo mogli da svarimo. Taj meč nam je naneo mnogo bola - rekao je Ljubičić.

- The biggest victory was over Rafael Nadal at the 2017 Australian Open. For me, it was the most important victory in the history of tennis. On the other hand, we couldn't digest the defeat against Djokovic at Wimbledon in 2019. That match caused us a lot of pain - said Ljubičić.
 
Federer Top 10 Chokes : 1) 2005 Australian Open 2) 2008 Wimbledon 3) 2009 Australian Open 4) 2009 US Open 5) 2010 US Open 6) 2011 US Open 7) 2014 Wimbledon 8) 2016 Wimbledon 9) 2019 Wimbledon
 
That's a lie. Young Federer got so angry and threw a game controller out of the room when he lost a video game against his friend. He also threw his racquet in a tennis academy which tore the curtain of the court and got punished for it.
As a punishment for tearing the curtain of the tennis court, Federer had to clean the toilets for a week.


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However, Roger became unpleasant if things weren't going well on the tennis court. His verbal outbursts were notorious and he often tossed his racquet. Roger personally recounted probably the most embarrassing story from his time in Biel. "There was a new curtain at the tennis center," he said. "They said that if someone were to wreck the curtain, they had to clean toilettes for a week. I looked at the curtain and thought that it was so thick that there was no way anybody could wreck it. Ten minutes later, I turned around and hurled my racquet at the curtain like a helicopter. It sliced through the curtain like a knife going through butter." Everybody stopped playing and stared at Roger. "No, I thought, that's impossible, the worst nightmare. I took my things and left. They would have thrown me out anyway." As punishment, Roger Federer, who hates nothing more than getting up early, had to help the grounds-keeper clean toilettes and the tennis court at an ungodly hour of the morning for an entire week.

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after taking into consideration that 40-15 trilogy moment of fred, djoko's own words about having no business of winning it are getting not so obvious
 
Federer’s problem is not with his game it’s more to do with his mental block. Federer gifted Nadal and Djokovic to break his record.
 
It's been 6 years and I still drink myself to sleep. What the hell is he talking about?

Well if you're worth 1 billion you probably don't have such a hard time getting over the fact that you have 8 Wimbledons instead of 9 in the trophy cabinet.

Of course that is just a guess, none of us really know Fed or how he feels about anything honestly, only his close friends and family do.
 
It's quite odd to be that dominant and have one of the greatest seasons of all time, and never win another Slam after that season. He was only 25 in 1984 too.

Doing coke and having a crazy wife doesn't really mix well with winning slams.

Honestly for all the sissy privileged sport reputation, pro tennis is actually quite brutal. You lose 10% in any segment of the game and you're cooked. It's not a sport you can dominate while being a party animal.
 
Well if you're worth 1 billion you probably don't have such a hard time getting over the fact that you have 8 Wimbledons instead of 9 in the trophy cabinet.

Of course that is just a guess, none of us really know Fed or how he feels about anything honestly, only his close friends and family do.
When Fed beat Agassi a lot he arrogantly ask Agassi, who's the greatest of all time. Then when Nole came, he got bitter and told Nole's parents to shutup.
 
Well if you're worth 1 billion you probably don't have such a hard time getting over the fact that you have 8 Wimbledons instead of 9 in the trophy cabinet.

Of course that is just a guess, none of us really know Fed or how he feels about anything honestly, only his close friends and family do.
I am sure his losses stung during his career. But after who knows?
 
Doing coke and having a crazy wife doesn't really mix well with winning slams.

Honestly for all the sissy privileged sport reputation, pro tennis is actually quite brutal. You lose 10% in any segment of the game and you're cooked. It's not a sport you can dominate while being a party animal.
Yea pretty much this. Lol. I read a lot of rumors that Mac loved the coke back in the day, and we know his ex-wife had drug issues so not that surprising. That's the reason I think the decline was so sudden and sharp. Tennis is a brutal sport and 10% loss is all you need to be cooked against elite competition.
 
Love threads like these. Armchair fans many of whom probably not played sport at any decent level let alone professionally think they know how a professional feels.

People should think about their own lives. Do you get deflated about past failures years ago and still elated about past successes years later? Or do past achievements and failures from years ago mean f*ck all in the here and now.

From my own perspective what happened in the past means nothing to me, they dont mean anything at all now other than being memories. I would think most athletes have the same mindset, those that dont, and this applies to people generally, are more likely to be those with mental health issues and prone to bouts of depression.

It will never end well for anyone now matter how rich and famous to define themselves on past accomplishments and those that do invariably have trouble in later life.
 
Djokovic wouldn't make a statement like Federer did, after blowing a couple of match points. It probably would haunt him for the rest of his life. Witness him losing to Nadal at '13 US final. For the rest of their careers, Djokovic didn't allow Nadal to win a set in a HC match: 9 matches & 19 sets.
 
Problem with Federer is that he plays at 8/10 and when there is pressure he doesn’t raise his game to 9/10 but drops to 4/10 or 2/10 at break points and match points. Superior game with Mental block
so maybe indeed its all fair and he shouldnt be on the top coz how can be the goat with such a mental block hmm
 
so maybe indeed its all fair and he shouldnt be on the top coz how can be the goat with such a mental block hmm
He is not the GOAT, but very consistent no 3 on all surfaces and 2nd on Grass. But definitely better than Sampras by a small margin. He achieved everything better than Sampras - 8 Wimbledon, 5 Consecutive US Open, 6 Australian Open, 1 French Open, More weeks at No1 than Sampras, 6 Tour Finals. Djokovic GOAT Baseline player of his era on Grass and Hard Courts, Nadal best clay GOAT. Federer is someone who can be a No 2 in serve and volley era and No 3 in baseline era makes him more versatile than Sampras, Nadal and Djokovic. Federer is a Half GOAT as he still has a better record than Nadal and Djokovic at Wimbledon and US Open combined.
 
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When Fed beat Agassi a lot he arrogantly ask Agassi, who's the greatest of all time.
Federer, after the 2006 Wimbledon final, congratulated Nadal for making the final, saying that he had expected Hewitt or Roddick to be his opponent in the final. That was Federer's second win over Nadal after eight matches played.

Then when Nole came, he got bitter and told Nole's parents to shutup.
That was at 2008 Monte Carlo, when Djokovic retired with a sore throat. Federer wanted to get Djokovic back for Australia.
 
This thread is funny. Were I to get the chance, I’d be more likely to ask him about the AO in 2009, which I think was a much more painful defeat given the way he was moving and striking the ball. 2019 was really a momentary lapse, but not a mental capitulation.
 
This thread is funny. Were I to get the chance, I’d be more likely to ask him about the AO in 2009, which I think was a much more painful defeat given the way he was moving and striking the ball. 2019 was really a momentary lapse, but not a mental capitulation.

Was it really? Forget about the 40-15 for a moment, he lost all three tie breaks.
 
Was it really? Forget about the 40-15 for a moment, he lost all three tie breaks.

Exactly. Fans and even some players often fail to see all the rallies they blew before and/or after the point they're most fixated on.

Before game, set, match sounds in your favor, you're a million years from winning. There is no "close" or "two fifteens from".
 
Exactly. Fans and even some players often fail to see all the rallies they blew before and/or after the point they're most fixated on.

Before game, set, match sounds in your favor, you're a million years from winning. There is no "close" or "two fifteens from".

Totally agree.
 
This thread is funny. Were I to get the chance, I’d be more likely to ask him about the AO in 2009, which I think was a much more painful defeat given the way he was moving and striking the ball. 2019 was really a momentary lapse, but not a mental capitulation.
That momentary lapse is what determines a winner. A Great player should know how to overcome it.
 
Federer Top 10 Chokes : 1) 2005 Australian Open 2) 2008 Wimbledon 3) 2009 Australian Open 4) 2009 US Open 5) 2010 US Open 6) 2011 US Open 7) 2014 Wimbledon 8) 2016 Wimbledon 9) 2019 Wimbledon


2008 Wimbledon wasn't a choke; he was 0-2 and had to climb back to make it competitive. Only in the 2nd set he choked a bit.
2014 Wimbledon, not really either, he had to break to stay in the match in the 4th.
2009 AO he faltered in crucial points, but was running from behind in the score most of the time. And he folded in the 5th.
2010 USO the match points were on Djokovic's serve, and he took the point away from Federer's racket, he didn't do much wrong there, unlike 2011 and 2019.
 
Was it really? Forget about the 40-15 for a moment, he lost all three tie breaks.
Which is fine, but had he done things differently in that moment the outcome probably would have been different. I don't actually remember why he lost those tie breaks, so I don't have enough information floating around in my brain to remember him mentally lapsing in them... compared to that game.

On the other hand, in spite of serving poorly, Federer was hitting the ball quite well against Nadal, who just broke his spirit in that AO final. Much more damage IMHO.
 
Something similar happened to Wilander as well.
Yea Wilander never winning a Slam again after 1988 is shocking as well when we see he had a 3 Slam season. McEnroe is even more shocking though when you see their records. Wilander was 53-11 in 1988 and McEnroe was 82-3 in 1984. He won a whopping 96.5% of his matches and destroyed his rivals.
 
This lady became an icon in the tennis fan circles at the 40-15 moment

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Tennis Gods at that moment decided to stick it to her. And I couldn't be happier.
 
What if Federer Managed to win Wimbledon 2019 - 1) Federer could have got 21 majors and 9 Wimbledon - Undisputed Grass GOAT 2) defeating back to back nadal and djokovic for first time - he could have had a strong case for GOAT debate. 3) head to head at Wimbledon vs nadal - 3-1 and djokovic 2-2 - he could have been adored as greater than Sampras in his era on grass. Everything went wrong with one point away sad
 
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