Roger Federer confirms he’ll miss the 2022 Australian Open. Says 2022 Wimbledon is also in doubt

Fed881981

Hall of Fame
40-year old dude says that a tournament which is 8 months away is in doubt.

Dude, you know it, we know it.
The realistic part of me says “it’s over”. But, I don’t think that Federer will go quietly into the night like that. What I predict is this:

Fed comes back to play a match or two in Halle, and gets his farewell standing ovation. He then goes to Wimbledon to play on Centre Court, and says goodbye to the place where he won his first slam. He may retire after that, but I think that he will still play in Basel, and then retire.
 

beard

Legend
Well, Fed was close to ending the year at #1 in 2017 and also won AO18 and had CPs at Wimbledon 19, so he was clearly still capable of winning the biggest titles. So, no "lol no".

But at this point, it's gotten a little ridiculous.

Please inform us all when "lol, no" - Djokovic has no chance and should retire. You will never say that, if he has a chance.
I just said he wouldn't retire if he won W19...
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
The realistic part of me says “it’s over”. But, I don’t think that Federer will go quietly into the night like that. What I predict is this:

Fed comes back to play a match or two in Halle, and gets his farewell standing ovation. He then goes to Wimbledon to play on Centre Court, and says goodbye to the place where he won his first slam. He may retire after that, but I think that he will still play in Basel, and then retire.
Yeah he's definitely not had his last match, just being actually competitive is over. He deserves a perfect sendoff like Ric Flair at Mania 24 :D


Whole stadium will be in tears when it's over.
 

Mainad

Bionic Poster
By next summer, even if he is able to do so, it's really hard to see how even he could make any significant comeback at the age of almost 41 and with several knee surgeries behind him.
 

Jack the Hack

Hall of Fame
Fed comes back to play a match or two in Halle, and gets his farewell standing ovation. He then goes to Wimbledon to play on Centre Court, and says goodbye to the place where he won his first slam. He may retire after that, but I think that he will still play in Basel, and then retire.
Not trying to be snarky, but isn't that exactly what Federer did this year?

The only thing that was missing was Basel, which wasn't played this year, and Fed wasn't healthy enough to play in it even if it was on the calender. But he did play the Geneva Open in Switzerland instead.

This season already had all the signs of a farewell tour.
 

Jack the Hack

Hall of Fame
By next summer, even if he is able to do so, it's really hard to see how even he could make any significant comeback at the age of almost 41 and with several knee surgeries behind him.
This and the fact that his ranking will drop to somewhere below the top 75 by then as well. He'd probably have a protected ranking and wildcards to get him entry into tournaments, but he wouldn't be seeded. So he'd have to fight his way back through tough early round draws as well.
 

Fed881981

Hall of Fame
Not trying to be snarky, but isn't that exactly what Federer did this year?

The only thing that was missing was Basel, which wasn't played this year, and Fed wasn't healthy enough to play in it even if it was on the calender. But he did play the Geneva Open in Switzerland instead.

This season already had all the signs of a farewell tour.
Yes, but he didn’t go to these events with people knowing that he was retiring… because he didn’t say he was.

Next year, however, he will send clues or just announce that he will retire, and that would give him all the attention and love that he deserves. It would be a more fitting farewell tour.
 

BGod

Legend
He could have retired after 2012.
He could have retired after 2016.
He could have retired after 2018.
He could have retired after Basel 2019.
He could have retired after AO 2020.

At this point I more believe he comes back than he's really done. Given the season schedule if he's saying Wimbledon is doubtful (zero reason to rush) then Basel seems plausible followed by AO, Dubai, IW and grass return in 23.

There must be commercial reasons why Roger can’t just admit that he is retired in all but name. He may have sponsorship contracts binding him to stay on tour for a few more years. Why, else, would a 40 year old be looking to return to the tour after surgery that has kept him out for the best part of 2 years?

Even if he had something left to prove it’s unlikely he is going to be able to do that.
Quite possible but the sports world has raised the age bar pretty high now. Ronaldo & Messi would have been retired long ago by older standards, Buffon is still playing for a second tier pro club at 43 but was on Juventus at 42. Tom Brady at 44 leads the NFL in passing TDs.

Tennis in some metric is a more demanding sport but in others it is lighter. First being non-contact and second allowing for shorter impact style like Fed adopted in 2014 with more attacking approach that only progressed in 2017.

But Uniqlo & Laver Cup likely has SOMETHING to do with him maybe eying 2024 exit.
 

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
If he's not going to play 2022 Wimbledon, he may as well retire. He'll be 41 soon after that. The older he gets, the harder it will be for him to recover from these sort of injuries anyway.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster
If he's not going to play 2022 Wimbledon, he may as well retire. He'll be 41 soon after that. The older he gets, the harder it will be for him to recover from these sort of injuries anyway.
Seems to be suggesting a 2023 AO return o_O would be weird to miss his best slam just to show up at the USO or asian swing.
 

Jack the Hack

Hall of Fame
He could have retired after 2012.
He could have retired after 2016.
He could have retired after 2018.
He could have retired after Basel 2019.
He could have retired after AO 2020.

At this point I more believe he comes back than he's really done. Given the season schedule if he's saying Wimbledon is doubtful (zero reason to rush) then Basel seems plausible followed by AO, Dubai, IW and grass return in 23.

Quite possible but the sports world has raised the age bar pretty high now. Ronaldo & Messi would have been retired long ago by older standards, Buffon is still playing for a second tier pro club at 43 but was on Juventus at 42. Tom Brady at 44 leads the NFL in passing TDs.

Tennis in some metric is a more demanding sport but in others it is lighter. First being non-contact and second allowing for shorter impact style like Fed adopted in 2014 with more attacking approach that only progressed in 2017.

But Uniqlo & Laver Cup likely has SOMETHING to do with him maybe eying 2024 exit.
I get what you are saying. With sports science, nutrition, and medicine being what they are today, players are recovering faster from major injuries and having longer careers. However, Ronaldo, Messi, Buffon, and Brady all play team sports in relatively short seasons compared to tennis. Clearly, tennis is one on one in singles, and a top 10 player has to play around 50 to 75 matches per season. Plus, none of those guys has had 3+ knee surgeries as far as I know.

Also, let's not forget that this is how Roger played in his final match this year:



I'm sure that this is not how Fed envisioned going out from the sport. Then again, as time goes on, he still has his 20 slams, Olympic medals, Davis Cup, and the most money of any tennis player in history. No matter where he goes, he's still one of the most recognizable and beloved sports figures. I'm sure he'll be just fine.
 
It’s time to retire Fed. You been an amazing player and icon for the sport but it’s pointless putting your body through my pain. It’s really not worth it when you are 41 next year, after 3 surgeries and not played much in about 2 years. It time for you to leave and start the next chapter of your life.
 

cortado

Professional
Horrible news, but kinda expected. Still hope he can make a comeback and play competitive tennis a bit longer. Jimmy Connors had his wrist reconstructed at the age of 38 and a year later had that famous 1991 USO run. Hopefully Fed can do the same.
Surprised he even injured his wrist with the lack of wrist he looks like he uses in his shots.
 

gjm127

Professional
I think he makes Wimbledon '22. It's 8 months away from now. Unless he's had ANOTHER setback and/or surgery, he can't determine whether he'll be fit 8 months ahead.
 

Graf1stClass

Professional
The real question is whether you believe he is playing to win slams... obviously not at this point.. He is playing for fun. So if you aren't anal about Win-Loss ratios then you should not care whether he retires or not... Just enjoy seeing him play at all while you still can.
 

T007

Hall of Fame
Lol, no...
Hint... AO 2017....
Federer is a retired player who milks sponsors and promote his new shoes brand (not blaming him, to be clear, but only blind ones don't see this)...
No need to promote anything. He has that aura and persona to popularise any product. Recently he investment On shoes got huge IPO opening in US.
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
I will believe he's coming back until he retires officially.

So Roger already decided to retire and is just not announcing it because of sponsors/contracts. Ok, then why would he say he's unlikely to be at Wimbledon now? Wouldn't it make sense for him to just be like "I'll try my best to be ready for Wimbledon" and then a couple months prior say it didn't work out?
Why would be Ljubicic talking about Roger wanting to come back in good form?

People keep saying it's obvious Federer is not coming back, but it really isn't.
I don't get this "he must be lying" either. His sponsorship deal with Uniqlo goes way beyond retirement anyway so why would that affect anything.

I think everyone's missing the significance of his talking about the last Wimbledon, both here and at the Laver Cup, and how poor he thought his form was. If he'd gone out in the first round I suspect he'd be retired right now. But he didn't - he made the Quarters. He didn't do that badly at the French either. There's obviously a thought in his mind that if the operation proves to have been really successful he might just be able to pull something off.

No idea if it's really possible - not being his surgeon or his physio. But his logic is clear.
 

Fedforever

Hall of Fame
He should have retired after Wimbledon 2019. But he missed the 2 most important points of his entire career.
The latter simply is not true. Djokovic may go on to get 25 Slams or something - in which case Fed having 20 or 21 would not be of any great relevance. If he'd lost in four sets like most of us expected we'd barely talk about it now. We shouldn't confuse the circumstances of the loss, which was obviously gut-wrenching for all us fans, with the significance of the loss in itself.

Winning the French Open was far more important - Fed is right to say saving the break point against Tommy Haas was the biggest of his career.
 

The Fedfather

Hall of Fame
I don't get this "he must be lying" either. His sponsorship deal with Uniqlo goes way beyond retirement anyway so why would that affect anything.

I think everyone's missing the significance of his talking about the last Wimbledon, both here and at the Laver Cup, and how poor he thought his form was. If he'd gone out in the first round I suspect he'd be retired right now. But he didn't - he made the Quarters. He didn't do that badly at the French either. There's obviously a thought in his mind that if the operation proves to have been really successful he might just be able to pull something off.

No idea if it's really possible - not being his surgeon or his physio. But his logic is clear.
Exactly! Federer is extremely ambitious and driven, that much is obvious from his career and even business ventures. He isn't someone who accepts failure easily. Roger repeatedly saying he wants to return in good form for that last push seems very much in line with his character.
 

TopspintheTerrible

Hall of Fame
Lol, no...
Hint... AO 2017....
Federer is a retired player who milks sponsors and promote his new shoes brand (not blaming him, to be clear, but only blind ones don't see this)...
Lol “milks sponsors.” Deluded. Sponsors beg Fed to promote their product. And it’s not his shoe brand. He’s an investor in On so obviously he wants to see the company succeed.
 
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TopspintheTerrible

Hall of Fame
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I get what you are saying. With sports science, nutrition, and medicine being what they are today, players are recovering faster from major injuries and having longer careers. However, Ronaldo, Messi, Buffon, and Brady all play team sports in relatively short seasons compared to tennis. Clearly, tennis is one on one in singles, and a top 10 player has to play around 50 to 75 matches per season. Plus, none of those guys has had 3+ knee surgeries as far as I know.

Also, let's not forget that this is how Roger played in his final match this year:



I'm sure that this is not how Fed envisioned going out from the sport. Then again, as time goes on, he still has his 20 slams, Olympic medals, Davis Cup, and the most money of any tennis player in history. No matter where he goes, he's still one of the most recognizable and beloved sports figures. I'm sure he'll be just fine.
He barely played any tennis for nearly 18 months and made the 4th round @ RG & QF @ Wimbledon. While recovering from 2 knee surgeries. Your cute gif of his knee buckling doesn’t change that.
 

BGod

Legend
I get what you are saying. With sports science, nutrition, and medicine being what they are today, players are recovering faster from major injuries and having longer careers. However, Ronaldo, Messi, Buffon, and Brady all play team sports in relatively short seasons compared to tennis. Clearly, tennis is one on one in singles, and a top 10 player has to play around 50 to 75 matches per season. Plus, none of those guys has had 3+ knee surgeries as far as I know.

Also, let's not forget that this is how Roger played in his final match this year:



I'm sure that this is not how Fed envisioned going out from the sport. Then again, as time goes on, he still has his 20 slams, Olympic medals, Davis Cup, and the most money of any tennis player in history. No matter where he goes, he's still one of the most recognizable and beloved sports figures. I'm sure he'll be just fine.
He played 59, 60 & 63 matches from 17-19. Average them to 2 hours each (many were under that) and that's roughly 120 hours of play.

Now there have been 40+ year old top 2 line NHL players recently that averaged 25+ min a game for 70+ games. 30-40 hours of intense physical play in contact sport with nowhere near the breaks in-between.

Other issue with contact sports is brain damage. So like Brady coming out and saying he could physically play to 50, but he's not talking about possible head trauma.

Now back to matches logged in a season, Agassi's last 3 were 50-50-18. Skipping a Slam and opening round losses limited his Bo5 exposure. Some of Fed's matches are just around an hour. I saw some in person at Indian Wells where his Wawrinka one was like 58 min.

I think for a 1-2 season stretch he could seriously limit to a handful of tournaments.

Dubai, Halle, Basel are max 5 match, lower competition tournaments that he's often attended.

IW, MI, CI & Shanghai are historically successful for him but logic dictates he plays 1-2 if that.

And of course the Slams, it's Wimbledon and maybe AO.

That's a max cap of close to 40 matches and probably around 70 hours on court.
 

AO13

Rookie
There's only one reason why Roger Federer has not retired yet - Slam record.

He wants number 21, he feels it's taken from him. And I have no doubt that healthy Roger Federer can go to distance at Wimbledon. It will be a serve and volley masterclass.
 

pedro94

Rookie
She's a horrible poster, don't bother.
You obviously didn't notice where inspiration came from.
And because they did that you're going to do the same? You obviously didn't notice that it makes you as horrible as those you claim to take inspiration from.. Two wrongs don't make a right, the sooner you realise that the better. It's uncalled for (to say the least) to post such tasteless stuff about a player who has dedicated his life to tennis and is a huge legend whether you like him or not, no matter the context and whether you're "taking inspiration". How does that make it okay in your eyes is beyond me..
 

octobrina10

Talk Tennis Guru
And because they did that you're going to do the same? You obviously didn't notice that it makes you as horrible as those you claim to take inspiration from.. Two wrongs don't make a right, the sooner you realise that the better. It's uncalled for (to say the least) to post such tasteless stuff about a player who has dedicated his life to tennis and is a huge legend whether you like him or not, no matter the context and whether you're "taking inspiration". How does that make it okay in your eyes is beyond me..
I wonder why I don't see you rant after this post (Post #5) :unsure: :
https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...e-at-end-of-french-open.642608/#post-13306620
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
I suppose he has to do rehab in any event, and getting back to even a couple of pre-retirement tournaments would be a goal. He would probably want to stage-manage his exit, but his body is not playing the part.

If he's not going to play 2022 Wimbledon, he may as well retire. He'll be 41 soon after that. The older he gets, the harder it will be for him to recover from these sort of injuries anyway.
 

pedro94

Rookie
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