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Robert Baratheon
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Children adjusted by difficulty:-
Federer 3.2
Djokovic 5
Nadal 7.7 billion
Federer 3.2
Djokovic 5
Nadal 7.7 billion
Roger Federer has the 6 weakest slams of the big three by elo or strength of tournament
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HetTheGreaterer
Banned
So,
If I face and beat world no. 3 in the QF, world no. 2 in the SF, world no.1 in the F en route to my slam title, Lew will mark it as one of the least difficult slam won, just because of the qualifier/lucky loser/wildcard world no. 330 I faced in the 1R and world no. 90 in the 2R, which brings down the average rank of players beaten to win the slam at approximately 60 to 65.
HetTheGreaterer
Banned
Are you implying that rafa is unable to reproduce?
BeatlesFan
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Lew II
G.O.A.T.
The average used is the geometric mean, which gives a big weight to small numbers, therefore to high ranked opponents.
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victorcruz
Hall of Fame
Disappointed in the Rafa fam for these trolling threads.
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
You should've turned pro and beaten all these weak era scrubs and become a legend since you make it sound like it's a big joke. LOL
Mike Sams
G.O.A.T.
Grampa Federer is the reason your precious little Rafa got his #1 ranking. Federer went and did what your beloved Rafa could never do. Show respect
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
NatF
Bionic Poster
2004 AO, 2004 Wimb and 2004 USO weak, LMAO
Shows the flaws of Elo e.g. Inflation or lack there of.
MichaelNadal
Bionic Poster
Phoenix1983
G.O.A.T.
Octorok sez he's kule 'cos he writes in weird ways to prove his leen-gwis-tik credentials.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
What a terrible thought!
Red Rick
Bionic Poster
He can make up for that by backhanding one teenager
07 is stronger than 08 for the number 1.
also since an even weaker era happened since 2014, the 2004-2007 weak era theory is finished
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
It’s ELP, not ELO !
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tennis_pro
Bionic Poster
2019 USO has ELO over 9000 and 8500 from Berrettini alone.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
holy ****, that's actually a shirt for me
weakera
Talk Tennis Guru
Yes.
Cilic in the final put up a better fight then any of Nadal’s USO opponents... ever.
tennis_crazy
Semi-Pro
Cilic did beat No. 1 Nadal in SF I thought.....Wait was the fakebull injured already??
Federer can't seem to get a break!!
tennis_crazy
Semi-Pro
USO 17 was beyond joke.....Even after 200 years it would still remain as the weakest slam ever won.
MeatTornado
Talk Tennis Guru
The only thing stale I see is yet another attempt at a weak era thread.
Even 10 years ago those were already getting played out.
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Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
While I don’t like this thread, you have a bit of a point here.
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Any examples?
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Are you suggesting that Nadal is not a cyclist?
tennisaddict
Bionic Poster
Would you be here if not for Federer?
Right.
Federer's legacy defines you, sir.
When Nadal and Djokovic are what they are because they have been defined by Fed and his legacy, we can give the OP a pass, with a chuckle.
vive le beau jeu !
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Druss
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Did you know Philippoussis defeated an ATG in that Wimby on his way to the final? Did you know Scud was actually a very good grass-court player (when he was switched on)? I don't think so! I can guess what you do know....and that is, how great a player Anderson is!
titoelcolombiano
Legend
Pretty much confirms what we already know. 2003 - 2007 was a joke and during that era Fed racked up 60% of his current stats. Take that away or adjust those figures for post 2008 difficulty and although still top three of all time, he is nowhere near the GOAT conversation.
Newballsplease872
Rookie
ELO is the worst metric to evaluate tennis so this is meaningless
They can now declare the tournament winner at the time of the draw, based on projected elo. Actual matches don't count.
Match and tournament wins are an old school metric. Algorithms are the future of tennis.
Lew II
G.O.A.T.
6 slams of Big3 with highest ranked opponents
2013 RG (Nadal) - 12.4
2011 AO (Djokovic) - 13.4
2016 AO (Djokovic) - 15.1
2013 AO (Djokovic) - 15.3
2010 AO (Federer) - 16.2
2015 WI (Djokovic) - 16.9
6 slams of Big3 with lowest ranked opponents
2017 UO (Nadal) - 56.5
2006 AO (Federer) - 38.6
2010 RG (Nadal) - 37.8
2004 WI (Federer) - 36.2
2004 AO (Federer) - 34.8
2018 AO (Federer) - 33.6
2013 RG (Nadal) - 12.4
2011 AO (Djokovic) - 13.4
2016 AO (Djokovic) - 15.1
2013 AO (Djokovic) - 15.3
2010 AO (Federer) - 16.2
2015 WI (Djokovic) - 16.9
6 slams of Big3 with lowest ranked opponents
2017 UO (Nadal) - 56.5
2006 AO (Federer) - 38.6
2010 RG (Nadal) - 37.8
2004 WI (Federer) - 36.2
2004 AO (Federer) - 34.8
2018 AO (Federer) - 33.6
2004 AO is one of the toughest slams won by big 3. 2004 Wimbledon was strong too, taking out Hewitt and Roddick back to back.
RS
Bionic Poster
Not one of the strongest AO 2004 due to the final. Maybe Wimbeldon 2004 was.
hoodjem
G.O.A.T.
Yep. Here we go again.
hoodjem
G.O.A.T.
Fed is old, but not that old!
The only other slams I’d have above it are 2011 USO and 2012/2017 AO.
Hewitt, Nalbandian, Ferrero and Safin in succession is a strong draw.
RS
Bionic Poster
Ferrero went away in straights giving fight in 2 sets. Hewitt was good but nothing super and Federer was a bit more off in the Nalbandian match combined with Nalbandian playing well. Safin was done in the final compared to the 2 rounds before but he did put up some sort of a fight.
I would take Federer USO 2005/2007 over it and his Wimbeldon 2004/2009/2012 titles so that is 5 other slams.
For Djokdal i think 2009 AO,2013 AO,RG13,Wimbeldon 2014 can be aruged as well over AO 04.
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