Roger Federer is the #1 clay-courter in the world

[Rhino]

Here are the 2009 CLAY rankings for results so far this year:

1. Federer = 3450 points from four tournaments
2000 (RG) + 1000 (Madrid) + 360 (Rome) + 90 (Monte-Carlo)

2. Nadal = 3360 points from six tournaments
180 (RG) + 600 (Madrid) + 1000 (Rome) + 500 (Barcelona) + 1000 (Monte-Carlo) + 80 (Davis Cup)

3. Djokovic = 1900 points from five tournaments
90 (RG) + 360 (Madrid) + 250 (Belgrade) + 600 (Rome) + 600 (Monte-Carlo)

4. Gonzalez 1510 = points from four tournaments
720 (RG) + 360 (Rome) + 180 (Barcelona) + 250 (Vina del Mar)

5. Soderling = 1470 points from six tournaments
1200 (RG) + 45 (Madrid) + 90 (Rome) + 20 (Barcelona) + 10 (Monte-Carlo) + 105 (World Team Championship)

6. Del Potro = 1270 points from four tournaments
720 (RG) + 360 (Madrid) + 180 (Rome) + 10 (Monte-Carlo)

7. Robredo = 1175 points from seven tournaments
360 (RG) + 90 (Madrid) + 90 (Rome) + 90 (Barcelona) + 45 (Monte-Carlo) + 250 (Buenos Aires) + 250 (Costa Do Sauipe)

8=. Murray = 910 points from four tournaments
360 (RG) + 180 (Madrid) + 10 (Rome) + 360 (Monte-Carlo)

8=. Davydenko = 910 points from six tournaments
360 (RG) + 90 (Madrid) + 10 (Rome) + 180 (Barcelona) + 90 (Estoril) + 180 (Monte-Carlo)

10. Verdasco = 810 points from five tournaments
180 (RG) + 180 (Madrid) + 180 (Rome) + 90 (Barcelona) + 180 (Monte-Carlo)

 

[charliexd]

nobody thinks that, not even you. He's won the french but he isn't the best clay-courter. Fail thread

 

[joeri888]

For this season, it's absolutely true. He's shown the best results and beat the no. 2 in their only encounter. However, Rafa is still a way more accomplished claycourter and will be better in the future as well. It's great but don't read to much into it. The fact that Roger got the most points doesn't mean he's better on clay than Rafa.

Just like Rafa isn't a better grasscourt player, but has the most grass points.

 

[Rhino]

nobody thinks that, not even you. He's won the french but he isn't the best clay-courter. Fail thread

This isn't about opinions, it's about facts. Do you dispute the list? He has achieved more ranking points than Nadal on clay this year. And he only needed 4 tournaments to do it.

 

[jmverdugo]

It does look like it, for this season at least. He has always been the #2 so it is not so hard to imagine.

 

[lambielspins]

For this season yes he ends it as the top clay courter for the year. Career wise Nadal blows him out of the water but this year Federer ends on top.

 

[IvanAndreevich]

Roger is the best clay courter in the world in 2009.

 

[Rexking]

For this season, it's absolutely true. He's shown the best results and beat the no. 2 in their only encounter. However, Rafa is still a way more accomplished claycourter and will be better in the future as well. It's great but don't read to much into it. The fact that Roger got the most points doesn't mean he's better on clay than Rafa.

Just like Rafa isn't a better grasscourt player, but has the most grass points.

But Roger IS better than Rafa on clay THIS year given he has won the most important tournament on clay (FO) and has won more ranking points from the clay season overall. Which was exactly what the OP was trying to say.

 

[TENNISSLAVE]

Yes in 2009... ..
and second to only Nadal in the history of the game!

Sorry Borg .

 

[lambielspins]

Yes in 2009... ..
and second to only Nadal in the history of the game!
Sorry Borg .

Sorry that comment is a plain embarassment.

 

[Blinkism]

Well if you're going to get technical with points you should give Rafa another 80 points for his 2 Davis Cup wins earlier in the year over Djokovic and Tipsarevic.

2. Nadal = 3360 points from five tournaments
180 (RG) + 600 (Madrid) + 1000 (Rome) + 500 (Barcelona) + 1000 (Monte-Carlo) + 80 (Davis Cup)


In fact, if Spain goes on to win the Davis Cup and plays at least 2 more rounds on clay, I think Rafa will either tie or overtake Federer. That is only assuming he plays and wins at least half, or better, of all the clay matches he can in the Davis Cup. And also, that's assuming Roger does not play any more matches on clay (which is very likely).

But, obviously, that's only a technicality.

 

[DoubleDeuce]

Yes, completely agree.

He is the best clay courter of the seasn.

 

[Dutch-Guy]

This isn't about opinions, it's about facts. Do you dispute the list? He has achieved more ranking points than Nadal on clay this year.

You are 100% right but you should have added THIS YEAR.

 

[malakas]

nobody thinks that, not even you. He's won the french but he isn't the best clay-courter. Fail thread

2009 clay h2h :Federer-Nadal = 1-0

the end.

 

[Rhino]

Well if you're going to get technical with points you should give Rafa another 80 points for his 2 Davis Cup wins earlier in the year over Djokovic and Tipsarevic.

This is a fair point, I've added it on, but he's still 2nd.

Also I gave Soderling his World Team Championship points.

 

[Blinkism]

This is a fair point, I've added it on, but he's still 2nd.

Also I gave Soderling his World Team Championship points.

All he needs to do is win 2 more matches on clay in the Davis Cup and he'll be at least 120 clay points ahead of Roger, but I doubt anyone will consider him the best clay courter in 2009 based on that!

But the numbers would show that he is, most likely (unless Djokovic and Federer go on to play more clay matches/tourneys, which is very unlikely knowing them... unless it's Davis Cup, but even then Switzerland/Serbia lost in the first round so their relegation matches wouldn't be worth any ranking points, I think).

It's only a technicality, like I said, but Nadal could end up being the best clay courter in 2009 on paper, yes.

 

[mandy01]

2009 clay h2h :Federer-Nadal = 1-0

the end.

LOL...This made me laugh real hard for some reason :lol:

 

[Rhino]

You are 100% right but you should have added THIS YEAR.

Well which other year could I be talking about? Last year? 2005?
Of course I'm talking about this year.

 

[cknobman]

Wow never thought Id see that with Rafa on tour.

Well don Roger, well done.

 

[Rhino]

All he needs to do is win 2 more matches on clay in the Davis Cup and he'll be at least 120 clay points ahead of Roger, but I doubt anyone will consider him the best clay courter in 2009 based on that!

But the numbers would show that he is, most likely (unless Djokovic and Federer go on to play more clay matches/tourneys, which is very unlikely knowing them... unless it's Davis Cup, but even then Switzerland/Serbia lost in the first round so their relegation matches wouldn't be worth any ranking points, I think).

It's only a technicality, like I said, but Nadal could end up being the best clay courter in 2009 on paper, yes.

Yeah there is still Båstad, Stuttgart, Hamburg, Gstaad, Umag, and Bucharest left on clay this year but I doubt Nadal or Federer will bother with those tournaments. Although nadal sometimes plays Stuttgart I think.

 

[joeri888]

But Roger IS better than Rafa on clay THIS year given he has won the most important tournament on clay (FO) and has won more ranking points from the clay season overall. Which was exactly what the OP was trying to say.

Yes, therefore I agreed with him. Just don't expect him to do better as well next year

 

[Turning Pro]

Well is guess Rafael Nadal is the overall player in the world. And the best Grass court player.

That is indisputable.

Federer beats nobodies and choke artists on his way to the french in one of the easiest draws in recent memory. Beating one top 10 player lol.

 

[thejoe]

Well is guess Rafael Nadal is the overall player in the world. And the best Grass court player.

That is indisputable.

Federer beats nobodies and choke artists on his way to the french in one of the easiest draws in recent memory. Beating one top 10 player lol.

Better than losing to the 25 ranked player in the world and being knocked out before the second week.

 

[Turning Pro]

^Well even you know the reason for Nadal's defeat. He might not even make it to Wimbledon.

Even you know a normal Nadal beats 99.9% of players on clay including your beloved idol. Normal Nadal = 6-0,6-1 Soderling

 

[Rhino]

^Well even you know the reason for Nadal's defeat. He might not even make it to Wimbledon.

Even you know a normal Nadal beats 99.9% of players on clay including your beloved idol. Normal Nadal = 6-0,6-1 Soderling

Wow, you sound really bitter. Not been a good couple of weeks for you really, has it?

 

[Turning Pro]

How is that bitter, it's facts, no?

Btw:

So you're honestly telling me if a Prime Federer can't even beat Nadal at RG, that he would have this year 100% healthy? Logic speaks for itself.

1-9 before this year at Nadal and Fed's primes. Then this year, the widely publicised knee injury comes into play. Come on, Fed couldn't even beat Nadal at the Aus Open after the longest match in GS singles histroy at the AO when they was both healthy. Logic speaks for itself.

Plus the fact of the 4-5 consecutive set matches he played against clay court nobodies means he wasn't as convincing as even last year.

 

[joeri888]

How is that bitter, it's facts, no?

Btw:

So you're honestly telling me if a Prime Federer can't even beat Nadal at RG, that he would have this year 100% healthy? Logic speaks for itself.

Staying fit for five years and making the finals every year is an achievement itself. How is Rafa clearly the better grass player, yet you have to b*tch about the fact that Roger 'clearly' is the best claycourt player of the year.

 

[Rhino]

How is that bitter, it's facts, no?

Dude when you say: "Federer beats nobodies and choke artists on his way to the french in one of the easiest draws in recent memory. Beating one top 10 player lol" you sound very bitter indeed.

Del Potro and Soderling were THE form players of the tournament. Making excuses about draws is just childish and grasping at straws. Nobody talks about the fact that Sampras won Wimbledon in ''97, 98, amd 2000 without even facing a top 15 player (fact). Who cares? He's the 7-times Wimbledon champion.

 

[Blinkism]

Whether or not Federer beat some less-than-stellar competition, he proved he can beat everyone but the absolute best (a prime, healthy, and merciless Nadal) in Roland Garros in the last 5 years, so he's not coming out of nowhere and stealing a weak draw to win the French.

 

[BreakPoint]

Well is guess Rafael Nadal is the overall player in the world. And the best Grass court player.

That is indisputable.

Federer beats nobodies and choke artists on his way to the french in one of the easiest draws in recent memory. Beating one top 10 player lol.

Um...BOTH Del Potro AND Monfils are Top 10 players. And Haas is a former world #2.

Also, both Acasuso and Mathieu are former Top 20 players.

BTW, how many Top 10 players did Nadal beat at the French Open this year?

 

[BreakPoint]

How is that bitter, it's facts, no?

Btw:

So you're honestly telling me if a Prime Federer can't even beat Nadal at RG, that he would have this year 100% healthy? Logic speaks for itself.

1-9 before this year at Nadal and Fed's primes. Then this year, the widely publicised knee injury comes into play. Come on, Fed couldn't even beat Nadal at the Aus Open after the longest match in GS singles histroy at the AO when they was both healthy. Logic speaks for itself.

Plus the fact of the 4-5 consecutive set matches he played against clay court nobodies means he wasn't as convincing as even last year.

Um...have you been living in a cave? Federer has had a back injury for many months and still had it during the AO. That's why he could barely serve. If he served at his normal level, he would have easily won that match. Federer won sets 2 and 4 easily while Nadal barely won sets 1 and 3.

 

[zagor]

How is that bitter, it's facts, no?

Btw:

So you're honestly telling me if a Prime Federer can't even beat Nadal at RG, that he would have this year 100% healthy? Logic speaks for itself.

1-9 before this year at Nadal and Fed's primes. Then this year, the widely publicised knee injury comes into play. Come on, Fed couldn't even beat Nadal at the Aus Open after the longest match in GS singles histroy at the AO when they was both healthy. Logic speaks for itself.

Plus the fact of the 4-5 consecutive set matches he played against clay court nobodies means he wasn't as convincing as even last year.

I have a fact for you-Federer is 2009 RG champion.

Also according to you Nadal lost to a claycourt nobody.

 

[drakulie]

Whether or not Federer beat some less-than-stellar competition, he proved he can beat everyone but the absolute best (a prime, healthy, and merciless Nadal) in Roland Garros in the last 5 years, so he's not coming out of nowhere and stealing a weak draw to win the French.

Get your head out of your rear and read this:

http://msn.foxsports.com/tennis/story/9583568/Federer-beats-Nadal-for-Madrid-title


BTW, in case you come back with some sort of excuse,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, my response to your post will be "federer was tired/sick every match he lost to Nadal".

 

[Blinkism]

Get your head out of your rear and read this:

http://msn.foxsports.com/tennis/story/9583568/Federer-beats-Nadal-for-Madrid-title


BTW, in case you come back with some sort of excuse,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, my response to your post will be "federer was tired/sick every match he lost to Nadal".

Why the rudeness? All I said is whether or not you believe Fed had a cakewalk this FO (which I never said I did), he still proved he deserves to be the champion because of his RG results for the last 4 years.

I make no excuses, i'm not a troll like everyone who you think disagrees with you or has contrary views (even though I actually don't in this case, but you seem to think I do for some reason?).

Moral of the story is; I'm complimenting Federer. Get over it, Nadal fans are not the trolls you've built them up to be.

 

[icedevil0289]

Why the rudeness? All I said is whether or not you believe Fed had a cakewalk this FO (which I never said I did), he still proved he deserves to be the champion because of his RG results for the last 4 years.

I make no excuses, i'm not a troll like everyone who you think disagrees with you or has contrary views (even though I actually don't in this case, but you seem to think I do for some reason?).

Moral of the story is; I'm complimenting Federer. Get over it, Nadal fans are not the trolls you've built them up to be.

Man I just love using the emoticons from mtf

 

[King of Aces]

If Roger is the #1 clay courter in the world then Nadal is the #1 grass and hard courter in the world.:shock:


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[zagor]

If Roger is the #1 clay courter in the world then Nadal is the #1 grass and hard courter in the world.:shock:


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Right now,yes he is since he holds Wimbledon and AO titles.

 

[zagor]

Man I just love using the emoticons from mtf

What's a mtf?

 

[Blinkism]

Man I just love using the emoticons from mtf

Icedevil, good to hear from you!

How awesome was today? It was so touching I almost shed a tear, tell you what.

How'd you react? I'm assuming you haven't stopped smiling since?

 

[Conquistador]

If Roger is the #1 clay courter in the world then Nadal is the #1 grass and hard courter in the world.:shock:


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....................You can't be serious

 

[fed_rulz]

What's a mtf?

it's another Tennis Forum for Men's

 

[zagor]

....................You can't be serious

Yes he can and he's right,this year Nadal had best results on HC out of anyone on tour and is a currently defending Wimbledon champion.

 

[GuillermoR]

What gets on my nerves is that every time Nadal loses, and he and his team decide to relay news about an injury, you:

a) Immediately believe it
b) Think it's something it's in favor of Nadal, when it's clearly against him.
c) If it is indeed true, he is proving to be unfit or doing more than his body allows it, which shows he's making poor career decisions. This is just as important as the game itself when it comes to a professional tennis career. Do you think ailing Nadal will ever have the chance to make it to 14 grand slams?

 

[icedevil0289]

What's a mtf?

Mens tennis forum, another tennis forum, but that only discusses men's tennis. Quite entertaining once you get used to it. There is also individual player sections along with the general section so people can go and act like fangirls/fanboys all they want.

Icedevil, good to hear from you!

How awesome was today? It was so touching I almost shed a tear, tell you what.

How'd you react? I'm assuming you haven't stopped smiling since?

I didn't get to watch. I was participating in this walk for breast cancer which happened to be at the same time as the final. I had my cousin update me. I kept calling every two minutes. Must have really annoyed her. I was so freaking nervous when she told me it was championship point and then when she told me he won, I was so freaking happy. I wanted to scream, but I think I would have scared the 100s of people walking with us.

 

[zagor]

it's another Tennis Forum for Men's

Mens tennis forum, another tennis forum, but that only discusses men's tennis. Quite entertaining once you get used to it. There is also individual player sections along with the general section so people can go and act like fangirls/fanboys all they want.

Okay,thanks.

 

[BullDogTennis]

Sorry that comment is a plain embarassment.

your saying that these people, are better than federer? if this video was posted in tennis tips and instructions and nobody knew who they were they'd be ranked 3.5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDBaqY2Ojqo

 

[callitout]

your saying that these people, are better than federer? if this video was posted in tennis tips and instructions and nobody knew who they were they'd be ranked 3.5

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDBaqY2Ojqo

that clip must be from a warm up. neither is trying to pull the other off the court..it looks like cooperative play. nice rallying though.

 

[drakulie]

Why the rudeness? All I said is whether or not you believe Fed had a cakewalk this FO (which I never said I did), he still proved he deserves to be the champion because of his RG results for the last 4 years. What I said was a fact, that he could beat everyone but Nadal at the French Open. Last I checked, he's never done that.

I make no excuses, i'm not a troll like everyone who you think disagrees with you or has contrary views (even though I actually don't in this case, but you seem to think I do for some reason?).

Moral of the story is; I'm complimenting Federer. Get over it, Nadal fans are not the trolls you've built them up to be.

You're a troll is disguise, play both sides of the card and conveniently give backhand compliments while trying to sound nice.

Just know that I'm watching you, and you have been warned.

 

[adidas_wilson]

Well if you're going to get technical with points you should give Rafa another 80 points for his 2 Davis Cup wins earlier in the year over Djokovic and Tipsarevic.

2. Nadal = 3360 points from five tournaments
180 (RG) + 600 (Madrid) + 1000 (Rome) + 500 (Barcelona) + 1000 (Monte-Carlo) + 80 (Davis Cup)


In fact, if Spain goes on to win the Davis Cup and plays at least 2 more rounds on clay, I think Rafa will either tie or overtake Federer. That is only assuming he plays and wins at least half, or better, of all the clay matches he can in the Davis Cup. And also, that's assuming Roger does not play any more matches on clay (which is very likely).

But, obviously, that's only a technicality.

Pulling at straws..

Davis Cup should be about honor. Not ranking points..

 

[Blinkism]

You're a troll is disguise, play both sides of the card and conveniently give backhand compliments while trying to sound nice.

Just know that I'm watching you, and you have been warned.

I'm a troll in disguise? Because i'm a Nadal fan who compliments Federer but doesn't absolutely go overboard?

Look, i'm not going to qualify to you why i'm here to give congratulations to Federer, but I am going to say what I say about Federer is 100% sincere and I say it as an ex-Federer fan who is genuinely happy for what he's achieved.

I don't think it was very nice of you to attack my post where all I did was compliment Federer and try to defend him. Perhaps my phrasing is what made you misunderstand what I was saying, so i'll say it again.

Congratulations to Federer. For those who might think he had an easy FO draw, this is not true. Every draw for Federer seems like an easy draw because he is one of the best players to every step on a tennis court. If anyone deserves the French Open title, it's definitely Roger Federer. He showed real class and played some great tennis these last two weeks!

That being said, I obviously would have wanted Nadal to win (i'm a Nadal fan, duh!) but as soon as he lost in the 4th round it's been all about Federer for me.

I can see why you'd mistrust some of the things i'm saying, due to the high level of trollage on this forum, but I can assure you I am as much of a troll as you are (which is saying, not a troll).