Roger Federer needs to play more or consider retirement - Pat Cash

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Roger Federer needs to play more tournaments following his shock US Open exit or consider retirement, says former Wimbledon champion Pat Cash.

The 20-time Grand Slam champion, 37, lost to world number 55 John Millman in the fourth round.

Swiss Federer has scaled down his playing commitments, instead building his schedule around specific events.

"Eventually it catches up with you and you get unexplainable losses and bad performances," said Cash.

He told BBC Radio 5 live: "It will happen once in a while and then a little bit more and a little bit more. Then you say either play a little bit more or retire.

"He may or may not make that decision this time. I'm not saying retirement is imminent but he might think enough is enough.

"When you come towards the end of the career these losses just happen and you scratch your head and ask 'what went wrong there?'"

Second seed Federer was targeting a sixth US Open victory, having not won at Flushing Meadows since 2008.

But, after winning the opening set, he produced an erratic display to lose to Australian Millman in four sets.

Federer had never lost previously at the US Open to a player ranked outside the world's top 50.

He skipped the clay-court season for the second successive year, returning to play two grass-court tournaments before losing to Kevin Anderson in the Wimbledon quarter-finals.

That was his earliest exit at the All England Club since losing in the second round to Ukraine's Sergiy Stakhovsky in 2013.

He responded by taking another break before playing one tournament in Cincinnati, where he lost in the final to Novak Djokovic, in the build-up to the US Open.

Federer says he understands being regularly asked about retirement, having faced with this line of questioning for "like nine years".

Last week he insisted he was not ready to give up.

Doubts have been voiced before about his longevity, notably when he went almost five years between winning Slams after his Wimbledon triumph in 2012.

Yet, after taking the second half of the 2016 season off with a knee injury, he has returned to win three more majors and also became the oldest world number one in February this year.

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Let's not forget that Federer will remain the world number two at the conclusion of these championships, but the match conjured up memories of his fourth-round defeat by Tommy Robredo in New York in 2013.

Then, Federer had back problems and was five years younger. I thought he was unlikely to win another Grand Slam and I am so delighted he proved me wrong three and a half years later with his astonishing victory at the 2017 Australian Open, which paved the way to two further Slam triumphs.

I do not want to make the same mistake again. When he is refreshed at the start of the year in Melbourne, or on the grass of SW19, who knows?

But bear in mind that Ken Rosewall is the only man in the Open era to have won a Grand Slam after celebrating his 37th birthday.

In this phenomenal era, and over five sets in the sapping humidity of New York, we should not be at all surprised Federer has fallen short, but we are allowed to feel a little glum.
 
I am thinking Steve Davis (snooker player) took a wise decision in this regard. He decided he would quit the moment his ranking overtook his age. Injury in tennis is an overriding factor, of course.
 
I am thinking Steve Davis (snooker player) took a wise decision in this regard. He decided he would quit the moment his ranking overtook his age. Injury in tennis is an overriding factor, of course.
I have two conflicting thoughts.

On the one hand it seemed to me he should have done better at the USO. I have also thought that he is taking too much time off.

On the other hand, it appears the USO has not been good to him for a good 10 years, and at this point his jinx there is Borg-like, if we do not count the years when he was winning everything.

But I do think the end is near.
 
I think he will try next year. How do you quit when no 2 in the world. Injuries yes, if you can still play at that level no you don`t quit. I think the key will be when he doesn`t want to train or can`t
 
I understand Cash thinking Fed should play more, but why is retirement an alternative to playing more ?

He was number 1 this year, and won a slam. It would be silly to retire due to an unexplained loss here or there.

He's almost beginning to sound like some of the silly haters here.
 
I am thinking Steve Davis (snooker player) took a wise decision in this regard. He decided he would quit the moment his ranking overtook his age. Injury in tennis is an overriding factor, of course.

Steve Davis is not a good example here. He played a lot longer than most, although he had no major results, I think? He only quite once his dad died.
Federer is still world #2, was even #1 this year... and won a GS + two other tournaments this year, was in final of another three, ...so come on now! Davis was ranked something like 50-100 for a few years before he called it quits. Anyway these sports are not like boxing, where it is just sad when a former champ does not know when to quit (or returns) and gets truly beaten.

Yes, Fed's form of late had been very bad knowing what it was in 2017. And if he starts to decline in rankings very far, he might not feel like playing anymore. But so far, I think the problems are mental side, he could still easily find a way to get inspired.
 
It’s time we said.... let’s watch pat cash vs RF and if RF beat home, then pat cash will **** up for good!
 
I think Federer should determine when he should retire but I do think he needs to play more than he did this year to stay competitive. He's not coming into events as prepared as he should be. Athletes that are lasting beyond Federer's age like Tom Brady are not cutting back on their workouts they're maintaining or increasing their conditioning, it's how they're managing to stay at the top.
 
I give him after next years USO. I think if he has a horrible AO ( likely ), Wimbledon ( very possible again ), and then ends the season without any big-ish titles , he will probably call it a day, or be selfish and come out the woodwork for one last Wimbledon crack if Djokovic isn't around or in form :D
 
Its not time to retire yet, Fedr is unmotivated after winning 3 GS and reaching number 1. All the goals he set.

In this year he dislike the travelling as he had reached all the goals.

Nadal is the only one who can motivate him right now.
 
I understand Cash thinking Fed should play more, but why is retirement an alternative to playing more ?

He was number 1 this year, and won a slam. It would be silly to retire due to an unexplained loss here or there.

He's almost beginning to sound like some of the silly haters here.

Pat cash is sad, possibly a little mentally disabled from wearing that headband 24/7 for decades now, and frantically trying to stay relevant with his tourettes like brain farts.
 
Federer is so bad, and the of his career end so near, that he basically matched Murray's entire career at the majors in the last 18 months. :rolleyes:

Even removing his Aussie Open win this year 99% of the tour would give their left nut to have had the season Federer has had since.

Perspective is needed. He's not the player he was when he was racking up majors (the recent 3 notwithstanding) but he's sure as heck not a mug at all. Nadal lost to players ranked 100-odd four years in a row at Wimbledon. Djokovic lost to #117 ranked Istomic at the Aussie Open last year - and he's way closer to his prime and it was at his most successful tournament too. He also lost to #30 ranked Querrey in the 3rd round at Wimbledon in 2016.

These things happen. They're just entirely more expected in a 37 year old. Nothing he can do to avoid it - especially Pat Cash's brainfart idea of playing even more.
 
Pat Cash should shut up about people who have done more for tennis than he could ever dream of - TTW User Rabin.
 
2018 Recap

Positives

  • Did great to defend Australia
  • Did great to get deep in virtually all tournaments entered.
Negatives
  • Questionable scheduling.
  • Lost several matches from a winning position.
  • ROS is well off, needs work. FH is too spinny, lacks its usual punch.
  • Self destructive on court behaviour.

CONCLUSION
All the negatives can be worked upon.

You’ve still got it Roger. Just need to tweak things a bit.
 
Steve Davis is not a good example here. He played a lot longer than most, although he had no major results, I think? He only quite once his dad died.
Federer is still world #2, was even #1 this year... and won a GS + two other tournaments this year, was in final of another three, ...so come on now!

Pat is so silly. Federer won just one 250 through all of 2013 (Halle, was not yet a 500 in 2013?). He had back issues but didn't quit then. Yet he should quit with a year like this?:
#1,
1 slam,
1 500,
1 250,
STILL #2 in the world?

99% of players have entire careers that achieved FAR less than Fed's 1st 8 months of 2018 alone. I guess they should all retire and leave us with Djokodal. I mean, they are the only two who accomplished more than Fed this year, no?

So Pat.. Retire?
YOU should retire. - Roddick.
 
Pat is so silly. Federer won just one 250 through all of 2013 (Halle, was not yet a 500 in 2013?). He had back issues but didn't quit then. Yet he should quit with a year like this?:
#1,
1 slam,
1 500,
1 250,
STILL #2 in the world?

99% of players have entire careers that achieved FAR less than Fed's 1st 8 months of 2018 alone. I guess they should all retire and leave us with Djokodal. I mean, they are the only two who accomplished more than Fed this year, no?

So Pat.. Retire?
YOU should retire. - Roddick.

A-Rod knows his stuff.

8-)
 
Roger Federer has won a Major this year and will finish the year in the top five. In what world should a player playing at that level retire?

Welcome to TTW. Here unless you just minutes ago won a major without dropping a set you are Finnish and MUST retire immediately.

Nothing short of perfection is tolerated here and if you do achieve perfection that can be held against you too (if you dominate too much then you obviously competed in a weak era).
 
Athletes that are lasting beyond Federer's age like Tom Brady are not cutting back on their workouts they're maintaining or increasing their conditioning, it's how they're managing to stay at the top.

Tom Brady plays a team sport which includes a 12 intermission every game as well as sitting on the sidelines when the defense is on field. Tom Brady is actually engaged in playing football about 20 minutes once a week.

Sorry, but this analogy is utterly specious. Playing a team sport like football isn’t anywhere near the rigor or difficulty of playing pro tennis.
 
Tom Brady plays a team sport which includes a 12 intermission every game as well as sitting on the sidelines when the defense is on field. Tom Brady is actually engaged in playing football about 20 minutes once a week.

Sorry, but this analogy is utterly specious. Playing a team sport like football isn’t anywhere near the rigor or difficulty of playing pro tennis.
I wasn't comparing the sports so why you picked that as the topic fails me. It was a reference to aging athletes and the greats maintain or increase their workload as they age to maintain the same level of competitiveness.

You do know I'm a Roger fan, correct? So the defensiveness isn't really warranted.
 
Pat Cash has the cut and clear mindset of an TTW poster. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s already on here
 
Whilst he is still ranked in the top 5 and still in contention for Slams there is no urgency about retiring at all. That time will come when he falls outside the top 10 and is consistently losing in the early rounds of Slams. At that point, it will be time to call it a day but that time is clearly not yet.
 
Federer will keep playing while he thinks he's a realistic chance of winning major tournaments. His best chance of winning a major tournament is to go in off a very light schedule.
 
I am thinking Steve Davis (snooker player) took a wise decision in this regard. He decided he would quit the moment his ranking overtook his age. Injury in tennis is an overriding factor, of course.

Let's hope he doesn't become an embarrassment like Davis was the last few seasons of his career.
 
Will his retirement speech be as great the GOAT?

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Now, Pat Cash Fed ain’t costing you a dam thing. You ain’t paying for
his tennis, so let a mother****** be happy with himself!
 
1. Why do we care about what Cash says?

2. I think he's right to some degree, but broken clocks, etc etc

3. The content of this thread is largely 100% more full of manure than your average Cash tirade
 
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Here's the thing. Federer was playing great until he couldn't handle the elements at the USO. His age will allow more things to throw off his game(temperature,scheduling, age, draw). Federer hit about 10 consecutive first serves straight into the net against Millman. I have never seen Federer play this poorly before, even during his mono stages of 2008; or during his wrecked back year of 2013. He was clearly affected by intense humidity; something that wouldn't have happened when he was younger. So Federer will have more and more things that'll derail him as he gets older. However, with the right circumstances, he can still be quite dangerous. And as long as he's dangerous, he'll stick around.

Fed's winning percentage will continue to drop each year. But remember, Connors with the right draw and circumstances allowed him to reach a slam semi when he was 39 years old. And Fed has been far more consistent than 35+ year old Connors ever was. Does anybody think that Connors played too long? I certainly don't. How about Agassi? Nope!

Connors vs Agassi vs Federer, age 35-37 seasons

Connors(1987-1989):
123-41, .750 overall
6-16, .272 vs top 10
0 slam titles, 0 slam finals, 2 slam semis, 3 slam quarters

Agassi(2005-2006):
48-20, .706 overall
4-7, .364 vs top 10
0 slam titles, 1 slam final, 1 slam semi, 1 slam quarter
This Agassi had only 1 slam in which he went to the quarter or farther(2005 USO).

Federer(2016-2018):
109-18, .858 overall
17-9, .654 vs top 10
3 slam titles, 3 slam finals, 5 slam semis, 6 slam quarters

Go Roger. Keep playing. Even if you only get to slam semis as a best result with a good draw, we'll keep cheering you on. And who knows, maybe the AO is by far his best event because he gets the long break right before it.
 
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