Nadal was 1 slam away from CYGS in 2010.
Roger Federer reflects on Novak Djokovic's 'exceptional year'
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Nadal was 1 slam away from CYGS in 2010.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
So the bar has dropped so low that we not only equate all 3 slam seasons as equally close to a CYGS but it doesn’t even matter how far you went in the fourth slam?
Nadal_Django
Legend
The Fedals redefining the term "reaching" as we speak. LolSo the bar has dropped so low that we not only equate all 3 slam seasons as equally close to a CYGS but it doesn’t even matter how far you went in the fourth slam?
The Fedfather
Legend
The way Federer talks about being close to the CYGS as winning any 3 Slams and going deep in the 4th is not accurate. He just glosses over the pressure part of it, taking 4 Slams as equally difficult to win regardless of how close you are to the CYGS. And who knows, for Roger back in 2004-2007 I can totally see that he wouldn't falter in the USO final mentally even if it were for the CYGS.
Nadal_Django
Legend
McEnroe, Wilander, Borg all had good cases for being one match away from the CYGS by this new criteria.
Nadal_Django
Legend
But that's the thing, he was never in that position in the first place.
So the bar has dropped so low that we not only equate all 3 slam seasons as equally close to a CYGS but it doesn’t even matter how far you went in the fourth slam?
The bar is the same - 1 slam away.
But I do agree with Fed this will all be moot anyhow. I predict someone will clean up in the next 10 years - could be Medvedev, could be someone else.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Lol, so you are saying that Novak winning the first 27 slam matches in 2021 is functionally the same in terms of the CYGS as Nadal in 2010, who did not even win the first slam of the season?
goldengate14
Professional
Federer really gloating here. His remarks are brutal. Saying the CYGs is possible is really pouring salt on he open wound Djokovic has.The sweet smell of copium in the airDanill, you magnificent beast!
To see people now equate he NYCgS which of course is utterly irelevant as the Calendar Slam is the holy grail shows how badly Djokovics loss has stung.
In terms of greatness he remains in third place and Federer is sort of rubbing that in subtly with his remarks about him and Rafa being close.
Who would have thought the Olympic Gold medals of Fedal would be decisive between the three.
This is brutal by Federer it really is.
Nadal_Django
Legend
The closest Fed got to the CYGS was 3 Slams away. Let's not kid ourselves, about that.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
USO or Beckerserve?
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
The Fedfather
Legend
I know. Just explaining how he might view it for him to bring himself anf Rafa in the convo about the CYGS.
Functionally? It’s not me saying it. These are just facts. 3 out 4
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
I’m close too because I’m thinking about winning a CYGS. Me, Egg, FEDR and Vamos we’re all just as close to the elusive CYGS. It doesn’t matter that Egg was one match away, FEDAL never even half-way home and I don’t play pro tennis. We’re all just as close to it if we want to be.
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
The fact for the CYGS is that you need to win the slams consecutively. Those are the facts. So Nadal was only in the running for CYGS in 2009, when he won the AO. And that lasted just one slam.
goldengate14
Professional
This thread is hilarious. Close but no cigar seems the new in thing.
Djokovic choked his shot at being GOAt. He knows it. Federer knows it. Whole locker room knows it.
federer was being a bit condascending really. But mind games are part of sport so nothing wrong with it. Could have left it a week longer though lol
That’s true. But I’ve already highlighted there is another perspective. The issue is you’re talking from your perspective (valid) but ignoring the other
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
I think we're ignoring the context in which Federer is talking here. He was asked whether it's POSSIBLE to do a CYGS.
There are two parts to this : is a player capable of getting to four Finals in the same year -- is it achievable physically and can a player reach that high level of tennis over the different surfaces? Clearly yes, as both Federer and Novak have done this in the same era.
The second part: can they sustain that under the pressure of going for the CYGS, given the extra media pressures that there are since Laver's day? On that, the jury is still out.
If Federer is asked (which he is) "is the CYGS achievable" then he has every right to point to his own record as proof that it should be possible.
If asked "did you or Novak get closer to achieving a CYGS" then he would be wrong to claim that he and Novak were equally close since clearly Novak was much closer. But he wasn't asked that question.
There are two parts to this : is a player capable of getting to four Finals in the same year -- is it achievable physically and can a player reach that high level of tennis over the different surfaces? Clearly yes, as both Federer and Novak have done this in the same era.
The second part: can they sustain that under the pressure of going for the CYGS, given the extra media pressures that there are since Laver's day? On that, the jury is still out.
If Federer is asked (which he is) "is the CYGS achievable" then he has every right to point to his own record as proof that it should be possible.
If asked "did you or Novak get closer to achieving a CYGS" then he would be wrong to claim that he and Novak were equally close since clearly Novak was much closer. But he wasn't asked that question.
They really do change.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
I have a long FEDR = GOAT posting history. But Fedal were never close to a CYGS. NOT EVEN HALF WAY TO THE PRIZE.
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GabeT
G.O.A.T.
There is no “perspective” that concludes that somehow Nadal in 2010, after losing the first slam of the season, was just as close to winning the CYGS as Novak in 2021 who won the first 3 slams and reached the final of the fourth
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
Sounds like a lot of salty Djoker fans in here... no one did it, so does it even matter? No.Actually it was 1 but lets be extra on purpose
The Fedfather
Legend
And I agree with you. I'm just saying Roger probably looks at it differently, viewing 4 Slams as each having the same difficulty, disregarding the pressure of the CYGS.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
“We saw it with Novak, myself and Rafa (Nadal) that we come extremely close,”
Except we didn’t see it because Fedal didn’t come close let alone extremely close.
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Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
The level of difficulty is irrelevant. The CYGS has a specific meaning. Let him suggest that winning 3 out of 4 and coming close at the 4th is just as difficult irrespective of the order if he desires but don’t say you came close to the CYGS when you didn’t even come into W with the first two not to mention never getting to NY with the first three.
I came close because I once won a very tough match in grade school which I think has the same difficulty as a CYGS.
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Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
Of course it does. Eggvax was one match away from the CYGS — which is a remarkable achievement— and Fedal never came close.
There you go. You did it again. Your condition is called “myopia”
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
I'm so hyped for it. Way back when we found out that Joshua vs Fury wasn't going to happen, I kept thinking some dodgy mandatory would be whipped in as the opponent for AJ. The longer it took to be announced, the more I thought the replacement fighter would be a retired boxer brought back in.
But here we are. I just hope Usyk has the heavyweight goods in him. I do still want Joshua vs Fury but I'm probably leaning towards Usyk here.
Pandora Mikado
Semi-Pro
Why is this an argument?
CYGS = all slams in a single season. The jackpot of tennis. The Royal Flush.
You don’t get to rewrite how things are defined. And the nearest anyone on men’s side in the modern era has come to it is Novak, this season.
Argue as much about what seasons were better, which players had the easiest matches, opponents but quit with the redefinitions.
CYGS is a clear accomplishment and has always been clear accomplishment. Don’t muddle things up.
CYGS = all slams in a single season. The jackpot of tennis. The Royal Flush.
You don’t get to rewrite how things are defined. And the nearest anyone on men’s side in the modern era has come to it is Novak, this season.
Argue as much about what seasons were better, which players had the easiest matches, opponents but quit with the redefinitions.
CYGS is a clear accomplishment and has always been clear accomplishment. Don’t muddle things up.
Nadal_Django
Legend
What other perspective!?
Maybe he is ignoring "the other perspective" because hmm there isn't any "other perspective" to begin with. 
ffw2
Hall of Fame
Fedforever
Hall of Fame
Go back to the question that was asked - in the context of "is the CYGS possible" then it's a fair answer.
“We saw it with Novak, myself and Rafa (Nadal) that we come extremely close,”
Except we didn’t see it because Fedal didn’t come close let alone extremely close.
If it will happen that a player is winning the GS? I think the possibility is there for sure. I think we have seen with Rafa, with Novak lately and also myself that it is possible. It's extremely difficult for sure. The problem is physically and mentally as the 5 set matches won't get easier. Therefore it has to be really rated highly what Novak did this year. That was absolutely top class. Simply amazing.
He isn't talking about whether he or Novak got closer - he's addressing the question of whether the feat is possible. In that context reaching all four Finals and winning three of them shows that it probably is - it just needs one player to have a bit of luck.
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
So no one ever did it. Got it.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
New thing seems more like redefining one of (if not the most) elusive tennis accomplishments — the CYGS — so you can claim you were just as close to acheiving it as the guy that was one match away.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
On the men’s side in the open era:
Laver did it.
Eggvax, one match away.
Fedal, not even in the ballpark.
Sunny014
Legend
Thats Beckerserve for sure
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
Sampras-Bruguera 1993
Legend
Oh god. Is this egomaniac really trying to give it a run again at 40 years old? Give it up dude. Your time is up 
GabeT
G.O.A.T.
Tshooter
G.O.A.T.
roysid
Legend
The pressure plays a part.
The same thing happened with Serena in 2015. Going for CYGS, unexpected loss in us open semi
Lleytonstation
Talk Tennis Guru
So Laver did it. Cool. No one else did. You either win it or you dont.On the men’s side in the open era:
Laver did it.
Eggvax, one match away.
Fedal, not even in the ballpark.
Sunny014
Legend
Oh god. Is this egomaniac really trying to give it a run again at 40 years old? Give it up dude. Your time is up
Federer has no intention of retiring anytime soon, he probably plans to play till 44-45
I Am Finnish
Bionic Poster
Humblerer
TopspintheTerrible
Hall of Fame
“Federer compliments Novak. Nolefam seethes with anger.”
Tonight @ 11.
Tonight @ 11.
RelentlessAttack
Hall of Fame
NCYGS is underrated but the main difference is that there’s the post-US open hangover period and offseason in the middle that allows you to reset. Pressure is hard to measure and effects everyone differently, and there are many high pressure situations where each of these guys has both succeeded and failed. The main thing is you have to be better, healthier, and luckier than the field all within one season’s preparation, which is why it’s been so impossible in the open era
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