Roger Federer the cheater?

You can argue back and fourth about breaking the rules all fracking day but in the end:

The chair calls the match.
The chair decides what is and is not withing the rules.
The opposing player can choose to complain if he has a problem with it.

The chair allowed the bathroom break therefore deciding it was within the rule and allowed.
Davydenko did not complain therefore it did not bother him or upset him.

Case closed, thank you come again!!!
 
cknobman said:
You can argue back and fourth about breaking the rules all fracking day but in the end:

The chair calls the match.
The chair decides what is and is not withing the rules.
The opposing player can choose to complain if he has a problem with it.

The chair allowed the bathroom break therefore deciding it was within the rule and allowed.
Davydenko did not complain therefore it did not bother him or upset him.

Case closed, thank you come again!!!
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You could've saved me a lot of words if you'd posted that earlier!...sums it up nicely. :lol:
 
mandy01 said:
.Oh and keep that 'Any objective adult' bull**** to yourself.I know how gamesmanship works and if anything I made it clear in an earlier post that IF Roger's intention was secure unfair advantage then he was wrong
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Agreed. Very good. That should be the end of it.
mandy01 said:
But in this case its hard to tell if thats what he really intended to do especially since it had no effect on the match whatsoever.
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Ugh no. Unfortunately, we see the limits of your reasoning again. The ultimate effect on the match is NOT SIGNFICANT in ANY way to the morality of the action.

mandy01 said:
.I dont take what he says to Courier very seriously because having seen his interviews often I simply dont think he IS too serious in those.
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Unreal...you haven't even seen the interviews but off you go with irrational arguments...you put the fan in fan"boy"
mandy01 said:
.It seemed pretty clear that he was just joking around...
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UNREAL. Note above...Mandy hasn't seen the interview.


mandy01 said:
Well,you certainly seem to be making a mountain out of a molehill .
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No. You and your ilk are. Roger cheated, Roger used gamesmanship. End of story. It's denying it that turns it into an issue. This form of cheating, has been used numerous times, including bathroom breaks, injury time-outs etc. It will be again. It is wrong, but it is common.



mandy01 said:
Really I have no idea where you see lack of validity in that statement but dosent matter.
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I am not surprised.


mandy01 said:
And you made no attempt to hide your self-righteousness.Nor is your own argument backed up by "reason" seeing that you're basically throwing in empty accusations & nor are you the 'mean ol' man with logic' as you think yourself to be-you're just someone who wants to pass smarta$$ remarks on others thinking they do a great job of making your arguments or lack of them valid. Anyway I'm done with this back and forth as its obvious we dont and wont ever agree..
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Swearing hardly advances your case, or your maturity. Again, you've got a lot of growing up to do. Certainly I hope with more experience and increasing cognitive abilities you will gain as you reach adulthood, you will see things differently. If you ever go to college, I strongly recommend a basic logic course. It will help you with basic reasoning, and also, to help you remove your personal emotions from an analysis of the arguments being made!
 
supineAnimation said:
Please. So is going to the towel before a break point cheating? What about tying your shoe? What if he did actually take a squirt when he went to the bathroom?... does that absolve him? I realize there isn't much to find to knock Federer, but this is pretty lame.
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Ugh...people have to ask this? No, going to the towel is legal, and so is tying your shoe, assuming you don't go over the time limit *IF* you there is a need for you to do these things, if not, it is legal but it is gamesmanship, and immoral. NO, actually taking a "squirt" does not absolve him, if he in any way was not prompt in doing this, or if it was not required. The bathroom break is NOT a vacation during which you may do whatever you like, it is intended only as an emergency accomodation for unforseen bodily function. Using it for anything else is immoral. The same goes for an injury-time out. Unfortunately, abuse of these things is common, but the real horror is that many young people here don't seem to realize why this is wrong! Scary!
 
Taking a bathroom break between sets is allowed and not against the rules. Therefore it's not cheating. Taking 45 seconds to serve is against the rules and therefore is cheating.
 
Datacipher said:
Ugh...people have to ask this? No, going to the towel is legal, and so is tying your shoe, assuming you don't go over the time limit *IF* you there is a need for you to do these things, if not, it is legal but it is gamesmanship, and immoral. NO, actually taking a "squirt" does not absolve him, if he in any way was not prompt in doing this, or if it was not required. The bathroom break is NOT a vacation during which you may do whatever you like, it is intended only as an emergency accomodation for unforseen bodily function. Using it for anything else is immoral. The same goes for an injury-time out. Unfortunately, abuse of these things is common, but the real horror is that many young people here don't seem to realize why this is wrong! Scary!
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An easy solution to his would be to have a standard 5 minute break between sets (isn't the break almost that long), and allow players to go to the bathroom (the only place they'd need to go) during that break, every time if they want. What does it matter whether they're sitting in the chair or relieving bodily functions?

In any event, it was allowed by the rules. No cheating. End of discussion.
 
Datacipher said:
Swearing hardly advances your case, or your maturity. Again, you've got a lot of growing up to do. Certainly I hope with more experience and increasing cognitive abilities you will gain as you reach adulthood, you will see things differently. If you ever go to college, I strongly recommend a basic logic course. It will help you with basic reasoning, and also, to help you remove your personal emotions from an analysis of the arguments being made!
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Do you really think that your pompous way of wording and/or bolding your words makes your points look more impressive? :rolleyes:

JennyS said:
Taking a bathroom break between sets is allowed and not against the rules. Therefore it's not cheating. Taking 45 seconds to serve is against the rules and therefore is cheating.
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It's as simple as that.
 
i would love to read an outsider's (non tennis fans) opinion on this. this arugment is so absurd and ridiculously lame. If a farking bathroom break causes you to lo lose a pivotal match of one of the biggest events in your sport...maybe that should be the issue being discussed, not the break itself. a cheater for using an allowed bathroom break? such horrible horrible gamesmanship.

btw, did davydenko complain about this on court? no
 
This is some pretty tame cheating as far as the ATP tour goes. How many times have we seen a player use the medical timeout after losing a tough set. After losing the second set against Hewitt in the Aussie Open final, Safin took a medical timeout, telling the trainer "my legs won't move." WTF. He then proceeded to get the classic warm cream leg rub, and of course won the match.
 
I think this whole thing is rediculous.

Do you really think Davydenko was affected by federer's bathroom break?

I think it makes no sense why people are saying that this sort of thing throws off someones rythm its 5 min. for gods sake. I think people are just looking for a way to say federer cheated...now if he took a medical timeout that would be different but people take bathroom breaks all of the time....in the office...at school...after mowing part of the grass.....during dinner at a restraunt.....


i just dont get why people make such a big deal out of this.
 
Carsomyr said:
Yes, it is.

Trust me, I'm not crazy about what Federer did, but he was only gone for three to five minutes. To be fair, I'll say five. That's 300 seconds of time wasted.

Now, let's look at the Nadal-Murray match, a significantly shorter match than Davydenko-Federer. The consensus is that Nadal wastes anywhere from 15 to 25 seconds on his own serve. To be fair, I'll say 15. Nadal played 72 service points in the match. Doing the math, 72 x 15 comes out to 1080 seconds wasted. That's 18 minutes wasted in one match alone. And he does this every time he plays. Federer's somewhat suspect act occurred but once in recent memory.

This warrants absolutely no comparison.
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And Nadal always tends to waste time after he loses a big point. Examples:

2009: Aussie Open SF, third set:

2 games all:
Adv Verdasco: 34 seconds
deuce: 21 seconds
adv Nadal: 26 seconds

Nadal 4-2
0-15: 39 seconds
15-15: 27 seconds
30-15: 22 seconds
30-30: 36 seconds
30-40: 32 seconds

Game Verdasco

He took a lot more time after Verdasco won points.
 
Yikes. Must be me. Given the general tenor of all the on court interviews conducted by Jim Courier I thought it pretty obvious Fed was just joking around as he had in previous interviews and as he continued to do in following interviews. I mean seriously, surely no one blieves he was serious about waiting for the sun to go down by one centimetre. Talk about only recognising humour if it's of the slapstick variety.. lol
 
Datacipher said:
Agreed. Very good. That should be the end of it.

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Ugh no. Unfortunately, we see the limits of your reasoning again. The ultimate effect on the match is NOT SIGNFICANT in ANY way to the morality of the action.
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Unreal...you haven't even seen the interviews but off you go with irrational arguments...you put the fan in fan"boy"
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UNREAL. Note above...Mandy hasn't seen the interview.
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 Wow..just wow.... :shock: :lol:

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No. You and your ilk are. Roger cheated, Roger used gamesmanship. End of story. It's denying it that turns it into an issue. This form of cheating, has been used numerous times, including bathroom breaks, injury time-outs etc. It will be again. It is wrong, but it is common.


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I am not surprised.



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Swearing hardly advances your case, or your maturity. Again, you've got a lot of growing up to do. Certainly I hope with more experience and increasing cognitive abilities you will gain as you reach adulthood, you will see things differently. If you ever go to college, I strongly recommend a basic logic course. It will help you with basic reasoning, and also, to help you remove your personal emotions from an analysis of the arguments being made!
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response to the underlined part -*sigh* :lol:


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dh003i said:
An easy solution to his would be to have a standard 5 minute break between sets (isn't the break almost that long), and allow players to go to the bathroom (the only place they'd need to go) during that break, every time if they want. What does it matter whether they're sitting in the chair or relieving bodily functions?

In any event, it was allowed by the rules. No cheating. End of discussion.
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Yes, that is one solution. No, IT WAS CHEATING. I've explained why several times, but i really SHOULD NOT NEED TO. Let's say you're sitting in your class writing an oral exam. You raise your hand to take a bathroom break, which IS allowed, questions done while you're gone will not count. After you go to the washroom, you realize they are still doing section C, your weakest section. You quietly wait in the hallway until section C is done and then enter the room. Have you cheated? GOD, PLEASE let people not be too far gone to even see this....

Using the rule for a situation for which it was not intended, in the hopes of gaining advantage for yourself IS cheating. That is NOT the way sport is intended to be played. Oh man....I guess it's hopeless.
 
babolat141 said:
I think this whole thing is rediculous.

Do you really think Davydenko was affected by federer's bathroom break?

I think it makes no sense why people are saying that this sort of thing throws off someones rythm its 5 min. for gods sake. I think people are just looking for a way to say federer cheated...now if he took a medical timeout that would be different but people take bathroom breaks all of the time....in the office...at school...after mowing part of the grass.....during dinner at a restraunt.....


i just dont get why people make such a big deal out of this.
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Amazing. Now a MEDICAL timeout...THAT's different...ugh...
 
Another 9 pages of crap about how one of the legends of our sports shouldnt be a legend at all, and should be hated, because you know.. he did nothing but destroy tennis... :rolleyes:

Keep up the good work.
 
FlamEnemY said:
Yeah, black smoke came from under my pen when I wrote that, and a muscle twitch rendered me unable to continue.
Fortunately, I was able to use ****logic.

...Sorry for the offtopic. I promise, no more math for today.

As for Federer, if anyone believed he's a saint they are wrong :) It's only human to use something like that to your advantage, and personally I don't think it's such a big deal. There are so many worse things a player can do, taking a longer brake is not a big issue, at least for me.
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hey, FlamEnemy, you remember when these threads were made about Djokovic?

Was it OK to make them then?
 
joeri888 said:
Another 9 pages of crap about how one of the legends of our sports shouldnt be a legend at all, and should be hated, because you know.. he did nothing but destroy tennis... :rolleyes:

Keep up the good work.
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You shut up. Only 2 or 3 posters in this thread claim that he;s a cheater. The rest are defending him like a saint.
 
This is just an obvious strategy.
There's nothing wrong with it,
Nadal takes decades between points,
Djokovic calls the trainer out for a back rub
It shouldn't affect davys game,
he's not like that, he's imune to these
kinds of effects, it would have benefitted federer only
 
jesus. this thread wont die?

larry david just give it a rest..he becoming the new Nadal_Freak and gj011
 
dropshot winner said:
If Djokovic would've taken only as many MTO as Federer takes bathroom breaks it would've never been an issue.
Djokovic is one of the reasons why it's no longer allowed to take a timeout for cramps.
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Who's talking about Djokovic??? :confused:

Did Federer admit in his interview that he wanted to buy time? Yes, he did.

Can you take a bathroom break just in order to buy time? No.

End of story.
 
Deep Purple said:
Who's talking about Djokovic??? :confused:

Did Federer admit in his interview that he wanted to buy time? Yes, he did.

Can you take a bathroom break just in order to buy time? No.
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Edit post-I'm done with this topic.

*sigh*..:roll:
 
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Datacipher said:
Unreal...you haven't even seen the interviews but off you go with irrational arguments...you put the fan in fan"boy"
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since when did not taking an interview seriously equate to not having seen the interview ? reading comprehension fail ?
 
Stupid thread.. in a post match interview with Courier, Federer indeed said that the sunlight was bothering him and that he hoped that the sunlight would have gone away a little bit, but he also said that he did have to go to the toilet..
 
The thing is that people wanted to hear/read Roger Saying "I went to the toilet to take a crap so I could fill lighter" so they could lough their *** off
 
rejul said:
Thank you. BTW 13 +2 - 15 = 0 = your worshipping idol. Free math lessons and just some angle. Thanks.

PS 14 > 0
6 > 0
1 > 0
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LHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAAHAH! So according to you Federer had 0 slams before the AO 10??

What kind of math is adding up to 15 slams then subtracting all 15? So Roddick has more Slams then Federer too?
 
volleynets said:
LHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAAHAH! So according to you Federer had 0 slams before the AO 10??

What kind of math is adding up to 15 slams then subtracting all 15? So Roddick has more Slams then Federer too?
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Zagor knows his mistake already. Talk it up with him. Thanks.
 
Federer_pilon said:
in other words, Davydenko was on the brink of making him pee his pants :D
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At the start of the match Davydenko's string tension was 17kg, dropping by the minute what with the heat and those "O" holes he uses. Smart move by Federer to make him wait 5 mins so his string tension was down to minus figures. Surprised he got a ball in court for the next 11 games - oh, wait he didn't did he?
 
Datacipher said:
Yes, that is one solution. No, IT WAS CHEATING. I've explained why several times, but i really SHOULD NOT NEED TO. Let's say you're sitting in your class writing an oral exam. You raise your hand to take a bathroom break, which IS allowed, questions done while you're gone will not count. After you go to the washroom, you realize they are still doing section C, your weakest section. You quietly wait in the hallway until section C is done and then enter the room. Have you cheated? GOD, PLEASE let people not be too far gone to even see this....

Using the rule for a situation for which it was not intended, in the hopes of gaining advantage for yourself IS cheating. That is NOT the way sport is intended to be played. Oh man....I guess it's hopeless.
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You're right. The problem here is intention a.k.a motive. It can't be spinned, but to joke about it is even worse.
 
The irony of all this is if Nadal had been srving after Fed's bathroom break, Fed would have got back on court and Nadal would STILL be going through his pre-serve routine... lol
 
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