Roger Federer= The Establishment and Djokovic= The Outsider

Elektra

Professional
When watching the Wimbledon I am convinced this match was not about tennis but about nationalism. The way those fans were reacting it was more like a football match then a tennis match, I have never seen a disrespectful group of fans. When framing the narrative a lot of people want to make you believe that Federer is an underdog cause of his age and that he has two great younger players trying to tie him but in reality, he is the establishment. The greatest underdog is Novak Djokovic, he comes from a small war-torn country, he's Eastern European, he is odd to the Western elites and people don't like his Moxy to challenge the establishment's favorite player Federer.

When watching that match it is quite clear the establishment was placing their bets on Federer even the Will and Kate were rooting for Fed. Novak has proven to be the greatest underdog in the history of the sport, he is going against a machine when he plays against Fed.
 

Keizer

Hall of Fame
When watching the Wimbledon I am convinced this match was not about tennis but about nationalism. The way those fans were reacting it was more like a football match then a tennis match, I have never seen a disrespectful group of fans. When framing the narrative a lot of people want to make you believe that Federer is an underdog cause of his age and that he has two great younger players trying to tie him but in reality, he is the establishment. The greatest underdog is Novak Djokovic, he comes from a small war-torn country, he's Eastern European, he is odd to the Western elites and people don't like his Moxy to challenge the establishment's favorite player Federer.

When watching that match it is quite clear the establishment was placing their bets on Federer even the Will and Kate were rooting for Fed. Novak has proven to be the greatest underdog in the history of the sport, he is going against a machine when he plays against Fed.
Of course it couldn't be because Federer is the most aesthetically pleasing singles player in the last 20 years...

Djokovic, or anybody else, will get no support when they're playing him.
 

JackGates

Legend
Yes, tennis is an elite sport, I don't know why are you guys even watching it. I just watch Federer for his shotmaking, I don't like tennis in general. Even most fans on this forum, you never see fans like that at table tennis or in computer gaming forums when talking about greats.
 

Keizer

Hall of Fame
Hopefully when Federer retires he'll take his fans with him. They shame the game.
Hopefully 90% of the people in the General Pro Player/Pro Match Result threads will stop watching tennis when the Big 3 retire to tend to the shrines they likely have built for them. Tennis could do without all of the Big 3 fanbases, just as football/soccer could do without the Messi and Ronaldo fanbases.
 

Spencer Gore

Hall of Fame
If Federer was supported by the establishment they wouldn't universally slow down the surfaces and put him in a SF with Nadal.

There is a difference between general admiration and being supported by the "establishment".

People marvel at beauty and some individuals can't take it.

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Don't be silly. Of course we appreciate beauty.

Watching Djokovic save two championship points was one of the most beautiful things you'll ever see on a tennis court.
 

Mustard

Talk Tennis Guru
I see it more as:

Federer: The Emperor, loved by the purists in particular
Nadal: The Gladiator, loved by the rebels in particular
Djokovic: A state bureaucrat who does a lot of the dirty work in society, and feels unappreciated.
 

JackGates

Legend
Hopefully 90% of the people in the General Pro Player/Pro Match Result threads will stop watching tennis when the Big 3 retire to tend to the shrines they likely have built for them. Tennis could do without all of the Big 3 fanbases, just as football/soccer could do without the Messi and Ronaldo fanbases.
That's sort of true. People aren't smart, the media will always convince us that whatever we are watching is the goat. Somehow thy can make Dimitrov the goat if big 3 retire, trust me it's capitalism, they will do it for money.
 

JackGates

Legend
I see it more as:

Federer: The Emperor, loved by the purists in particular
Nadal: The Gladiator, loved by the rebels in particular
Djokovic: A state bureaucrat who does a lot of the dirty work in society, and feels unappreciated.
That's a good recap, we need all 3 of them.
 

Keizer

Hall of Fame
That's sort of true. People aren't smart, the media will always convince us that whatever we are watching is the goat. Somehow thy can make Dimitrov the goat if big 3 retire, trust me it's capitalism, they will do it for money.
I sort of agree that these 3 are top of the heap. I just think that people are too toxic about the players they don't root for, which always makes me wonder if they're really tennis fans.
 

JackGates

Legend
I sort of agree that these 3 are top of the heap. I just think that people are too toxic about the players they don't root for, which always makes me wonder if they're really tennis fans.
Of course they are not. Also, why do we even need to be fans, being a fan means having low confidence. Those guys are humans, they just do one thing a bit better, that's it. I was never a fan. I do tons of things better than Federer, so I don't see anything special. People are just lazy to do their own thing, so they admire those traits in others, since they lack those.

Everybody can be a champion, then you don't need to admire others, since you are a champion.
 

Elektra

Professional
Federer: the self-made man, with legacy that pays tribute to the best tennis has to offer
Nadal: the rich kid that was raised as a privileged and didn't learn the value of fair competition as it was too much to take "No" as an answer
Djokovic: the guy that always wanted to be like the best and worked towards that goal, but got carried away in his emotional battles

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Nadal does not play like a rich kid, he plays like a blue-collar guy. I think Nadal to a lot of people is the Spaniard rock star, he doesn't care one way or the other he only cares about challenging himself.
 
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