Roger Federer: Why His Grand Slam Record Will Stand Forever

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Thought I'd bounce this article. Very interesting. How long before that crystal ball is proved to be way off the charts

Roger Federer: Why His Grand Slam Record Will Stand Forever
JEFF COHN NOVEMBER 14, 2011


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Roger Federer has been the main focus of the men's tennis game for the past decade. With an insurmountable quantity of records to his name, he appears to be the greatest player of all-time to many spectators and tennis followers.

It would be difficult to imagine a player holding more records than him in the future. At that, I will bring up the question that no longer has a surefire answer: Will somebody else catch up to his major record of 16 titles?

The closest active player to catching up to him is Rafael Nadal, and it would still take him about three years to hit the 16 mark.

There is some speculation as to how healthy Rafa can stay, and his repetitive injuries and harm done to his body continue to foreshadow his career in the future.

Roger has not entirely fallen off his level yet, but the competition has applied much more pressure on him. For instance, the infamously hard hitters in the game (Del Potro, Soderling, Berdych, Tsonga) can take him out of control, forcing him to hit tougher shots and to play to their strengths.

The introduction of Novak Djokovic's improvement also led to bad news for the Maestro's chances in the past year.
However, it seems unlikely that Nole will even come close to 16 grand slam titles, especially since he only has four as of now and exerts an incredibly physical game plan on the court. He barely won the U.S. Open, and he also spent an entire year demolishing his competition, which has left him with an understandable shoulder injury.
Many people point out that Rafa has few years left because of the way he plays. The same can be said for the currently ranked No. 1 player.

The Fed Express still believes he can win, and states that he still "has the game to win," so he could potentially further distance himself in the grand slam department.
Only time will tell the answer to this heated debate, although Roger seems to be in control of the amazing feat for at least several years. In the meantime, Roger is one Masters title away from tying Rafael Nadal's all-time record at the moment, so Rafa has to watch his records carefully as well, before they get stolen away from his prime time rival.

 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
It doesn't seem to have sunk in to Fedfans that Federer has NO records that are unlikely to be broken. How on earth can he be the greatest of all time? How?

From the article"
"With an insurmountable quantity of records to his name, he appears to be the greatest player of all-time to many spectators and tennis followers."

Which quantity of insurmountable records is he referring to? I would love to know. It's all a figment of someone's imagination.

If any Fedfans can let me know I will stand corrected that IMO, Federer only has 2 records worth talking about:

1. Weeks at number 1
2. Number of slams
 

Sunny Ali

Hall of Fame
LOL, forever? Federer's grand slam record will be broken in a few months. Can't wait to see that happen. Tennis will be back in the top news headlines again!
 

PeoplesChamp

Hall of Fame
It doesn't seem to have sunk in to Fedfans that Federer has NO records that are unlikely to be broken. How on earth can he be the greatest of all time? How?

From the article"
"With an insurmountable quantity of records to his name, he appears to be the greatest player of all-time to many spectators and tennis followers."

Which quantity of insurmountable records is he referring to? I would love to know. It's all a figment of someone's imagination.

If any Fedfans can let me know I will stand corrected that IMO, Federer only has 2 records worth talking about:

1. Weeks at number 1
2. Number of slams
Federer has more records than Nadal and Djokovic put together :laughing:
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
I did already in your other thread. There's 331 of them. Ship has sailed for Nadal on that.
I'm talking proper records not just making QFs and SFs. It's jst your imagination that a) they are noteworthy records and b) they will stand the test of time.
 

Zebrev

Hall of Fame
It doesn't seem to have sunk in to Fedfans that Federer has NO records that are unlikely to be broken. How on earth can he be the greatest of all time? How?

From the article"
"With an insurmountable quantity of records to his name, he appears to be the greatest player of all-time to many spectators and tennis followers."

Which quantity of insurmountable records is he referring to? I would love to know. It's all a figment of someone's imagination.

If any Fedfans can let me know I will stand corrected that IMO, Federer only has 2 records worth talking about:

1. Weeks at number 1
2. Number of slams
Who is taking Rogers records? Answer me that, if you please.

We could be about to take 6 months off without tennis, as the condition in New York worsens, not improves. If Australian Open 2021 takes place as scheduled, which we can only hope, then who is to say that things won't look very different by then. I think we are in a era where making this kinds of predictions, assuming the status quo will remain forever has proven a fools errand in recent times. Perhaps were entering into an era of parity again, as seen before Roger came on the scene. Perhaps Roger comes back and wins Wimbledon, throwing all predictions into chaos again. One thing I'm sure of is that the vision you doubtless have of Novak and Nadal splitting the slams between them until they are Rogers age, that won't happen. Something always comes along to interrupt the status quo, and it seems bizarre and unlikely. The rise of Djoker in 2011 is just one example. Who could have predicted that both Roger and Rafa would be swiped aside by the same player after they had been so dominant for so long. Another example, Novak going haywire after RG 2016 and losing to Sam Querrey at Wimbledon. This was a guy who won 4 majors in a row, looked completely unbeatable. Point is in sport and in tennis things do not play out in the predictable manner we might expect.
 

NADALalot

Semi-Pro
^It won't matter what the condition of New York is, the US Open will still be played, because of the mega television deal.
Plus its not like the players will be interacting with the people in New York....
And the French Open will definitely be played, again for financial reasons and also they are desperate to use that new roof.
Nadal will either be 20 or 21 by October.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Who is taking Rogers records? Answer me that, if you please.

We could be about to take 6 months off without tennis, as the condition in New York worsens, not improves. If Australian Open 2021 takes place as scheduled, which we can only hope, then who is to say that things won't look very different by then. I think we are in a era where making this kinds of predictions, assuming the status quo will remain forever has proven a fools errand in recent times. Perhaps were entering into an era of parity again, as seen before Roger came on the scene. Perhaps Roger comes back and wins Wimbledon, throwing all predictions into chaos again. One thing I'm sure of is that the vision you doubtless have of Novak and Nadal splitting the slams between them until they are Rogers age, that won't happen. Something always comes along to interrupt the status quo, and it seems bizarre and unlikely. The rise of Djoker in 2011 is just one example. Who could have predicted that both Roger and Rafa would be swiped aside by the same player after they had been so dominant for so long. Another example, Novak going haywire after RG 2016 and losing to Sam Querrey at Wimbledon. This was a guy who won 4 majors in a row, looked completely unbeatable. Point is in sport and in tennis things do not play out in the predictable manner we might expect.
He has 3 noteworthy records even if it's taken him 20 years to get them, longer than Nadal and Djokovic have been on tour. Fedr will soon lose two of those records, trust me.
 

GabeT

Legend
For me the key records are based on number of key tournaments won and time at number one.

On tourneys: Fed is (barely) ahead in slams and everything indicates that Nadal will at least tie him. Could be as early as this year. Novak is further behind but he’s won 5 of the last 7 slams so he’s clearly shown he can win plenty more.

Time at number 1: the Big 3 are tied at YE1 and Novak is well placed to beat Fed’s weeks at number one once the tour restarts.

Hard to see how Fed keeps any really big records. But a lot can happen.
 

Zebrev

Hall of Fame
I actually believe that Federer can win another slam before 43. If I'm right then Rafa needs another 3 slams to overtake and Nole needs 5. We might not even play tennis again until 2021, so Nadal is 34.5 and Nole is 33.5.

If Rafas case, he then has 2 chances a year to add to his tally. He hasn't won Auzzie or Wimbledon in a decade so those are out of the picture. If Rafa wins his next 3 opportunities, he will become GOAT after French Open 2022, at age 36. However this means he has to play basically perfectly at the slams where he stands a chance to win. If he loses French Open in 2021, suddenly he is 35 years old and still with 3 slams to win to overtake. This illustrate the "so close yet so far effect". If Nadal should sustain an injury in 2021 or just go slamless, he would realistically have to keep playing until 40 to overtake.

For Novak things are much more difficult.
 

JaoSousa

Professional
So: Clay, clay, clay, clay, clay, clay, an obscure record of 4x USO and FO in the same year, a record that isn't even a record(summer slam), 2 slams on 2 different surfaces, youngest player to get a career slam.
His real records:

1. 2 slams on all 3 surfaces
2. 12 at the French
3. Youngest to get a career slam
 

Federev

Hall of Fame
It doesn't seem to have sunk in to Fedfans that Federer has NO records that are unlikely to be broken. How on earth can he be the greatest of all time? How?

From the article"
"With an insurmountable quantity of records to his name, he appears to be the greatest player of all-time to many spectators and tennis followers."

Which quantity of insurmountable records is he referring to? I would love to know. It's all a figment of someone's imagination.

If any Fedfans can let me know I will stand corrected that IMO, Federer only has 2 records worth talking about:

1. Weeks at number 1
2. Number of slams
He’s the GOAT.

Everyone outside of TTW pretty much knows.

Go to various threads argued here forever about the records. That’s a never ending debate.

But It’s more than the records. Even though he has them still. But it’s more than that. Ask Barry Bonds and Floyd Mayweather.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
So: Clay, clay, clay, clay, clay, clay, an obscure record of 4x USO and FO in the same year, a record that isn't even a record(summer slam), 2 slams on 2 different surfaces, youngest player to get a career slam.
His real records:

1. 2 slams on all 3 surfaces
2. 12 at the French
3. Youngest to get a career slam
Rafael Nadal
11 M1000 at one event
11 500 at the same event
10 consecutive years of winning a slam

Simultaneous holder of Olympic singles gold medal and Majors on clay, grass, and hard court
Achieved the Career Grand Slam + Olympic Singles Gold medal + Olympic Doubles Gold Medal

Youngest men's player to complete the Career Grand Slam (aged 24)
Youngest men's player to achieve a Career Golden Slam (aged 24)
Highest overall match win on any court percentage - 91.79% (436-39)
Only male player to win an Olympic gold medal in singles and an Olympic gold medal in doubles in two separate Olympics in Open Era
Won Monte Carlo and French Open for four consecutive years (2005-2008)
8 consecutive titles at any single tournament (Monte Carlo)
46 match win streak at any single tournament (Monte Carlo)
Longest single surface win streak (Clay courts - 81)
11 titles at three different tournaments (French Open, Barcelona, and Monte Carlo
)

I will be here all night if I want to list them all.
 

JaoSousa

Professional
Rafael Nadal
11 M1000 at one event
11 500 at the same event
10 consecutive years of winning a slam

Simultaneous holder of Olympic singles gold medal and Majors on clay, grass, and hard court
Achieved the Career Grand Slam + Olympic Singles Gold medal + Olympic Doubles Gold Medal

Youngest men's player to complete the Career Grand Slam (aged 24)
Youngest men's player to achieve a Career Golden Slam (aged 24)
Highest overall match win on any court percentage - 91.79% (436-39)
Only male player to win an Olympic gold medal in singles and an Olympic gold medal in doubles in two separate Olympics in Open Era
Won Monte Carlo and French Open for four consecutive years (2005-2008)
8 consecutive titles at any single tournament (Monte Carlo)
46 match win streak at any single tournament (Monte Carlo)
Longest single surface win streak (Clay courts - 81)
11 titles at three different tournaments (French Open, Barcelona, and Monte Carlo
)

I will be here all night if I want to list them all.
My point is that you could do that for any player. You just pretend that you can only do it for Nadal, which is disingenuous.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
My point is that you could do that for any player. You just pretend that you can only do it for Nadal, which is disingenuous.
Then do it for any player of your choice and see how far you get. It's a challenge for you to prove me wrong. I would be very interested in seeing which player on earth can match these records I've listed for Nadal.

I'll make it easy for you. Just insert name in red by each record or comparable record:

11 M1000 at one event:-

11 500 at the same event:-

10 consecutive years of winning a slam:-

Simultaneous holder of Olympic singles gold medal and Majors on clay, grass, and hard court:-
Achieved the Career Grand Slam + Olympic Singles Gold medal + Olympic Doubles Gold Medal:-

Youngest men's player to complete the Career Grand Slam (aged 24):-

Highest overall match win on any court percentage - 91.79% (436-39):-
Only male player to win an Olympic gold medal in singles and an Olympic gold medal in doubles in two separate Olympics in Open Era:-

Won Monte Carlo and French Open for four consecutive years (2005-2008):-
8 consecutive titles at any single tournament (Monte Carlo):-
46 match win streak at any single tournament (Monte Carlo):-

Longest single surface win streak (Clay courts - 81):-

11 titles at three different tournaments (French Open, Barcelona, and Monte Carlo):-
 
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MeatTornado

Legend
Then do it for any player of your choice and see how far you get. It's a challenge for you to prove me wrong. I would be very interested in seeing which player on earth can match those records I've listed for Nadal.
There's no point because you disqualify records you don't like. As in all of Fed's QF/SF/F streaks. But Rafa qualifying for the YEC the most times in a row (despite never winning it) is a valid record?

Surely you can understand where we're coming from here, right?
 

JaoSousa

Professional
Then do it for any player of your choice and see how far you get. It's a challenge for you to prove me wrong. I would be very interested in seeing which player on earth can match these records I've listed for Nadal.

I'll make it easy for you. Just insert name in red by each record or comparable record:

11 M1000 at one event:-

11 500 at the same event:-

10 consecutive years of winning a slam:-

Simultaneous holder of Olympic singles gold medal and Majors on clay, grass, and hard court:-
Achieved the Career Grand Slam + Olympic Singles Gold medal + Olympic Doubles Gold Medal:-

Youngest men's player to complete the Career Grand Slam (aged 24):-

Highest overall match win on any court percentage - 91.79% (436-39):-
Only male player to win an Olympic gold medal in singles and an Olympic gold medal in doubles in two separate Olympics in Open Era:-

Won Monte Carlo and French Open for four consecutive years (2005-2008):-
8 consecutive titles at any single tournament (Monte Carlo):-
46 match win streak at any single tournament (Monte Carlo):-

Longest single surface win streak (Clay courts - 81):-

11 titles at three different tournaments (French Open, Barcelona, and Monte Carlo):-
Most Slams

Most Slam Finals

10 straight GS Finals

Most Weeks at #1

Most consecutive weeks at #1

Most Wimbledon titles

Most WTF titles.

5 straight titles at 2 different majors



24 straight finals won


24 consecutive match wins against top 10 opponents.


6+ titles at 7 different tournaments


4+ consecutive finals on all 3 surfaces


40 consecutive match wins at 2 different slams


All 4 Slam Finals in 3 different seasons


Longest Hard court win streak


Longest Grass court win streak
 

JaoSousa

Professional
There's no point because you disqualify records you don't like. As in all of Fed's QF/SF/F streaks. But Rafa qualifying for the YEC the most times in a row (despite never winning it) is a valid record?

Surely you can understand where we're coming from here, right?
Don't worry. See post 34!
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
There's no point because you disqualify records you don't like. As in all of Fed's QF/SF/F streaks. But Rafa qualifying for the YEC the most times in a row (despite never winning it) is a valid record?

Surely you can understand where we're coming from here, right?
Definitely QF/SF/F are ridiculous to list as records. Rafa qualifying for the WTF for 15 consecutive years is proof that he finished in the top 8 for 15 consecutive years.
 

JaoSousa

Professional
Definitely QF/SF/F are ridiculous to list as records. Rafa qualifying for the WTF for 15 consecutive years is proof that he finished in the top 8 for 15 consecutive years.
And Federer reaching 23 consecutive semifinals proves that he consistently reached the final stages of Grand Slams for nearly 6 years. 36 Quarterfinals show that he was among the 8 best players at every single slam for 9 years. And 23 consecutive semifinals is far less ridiculous than listing a 46 match win streak at a tournament or 10+ titles at a 500 series.

By the way, do you mind posting Nadal's consecutive QF and SF streak?
 

1stVolley

Semi-Pro
Records are made to be broken. This old saw proves true almost all the time and it is quite possible that Nadal and/or Djokovic will surpass Roger's slam victories--even if he adds another.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Most Slams

Most Slam Finals

10 straight GS Finals

Most Weeks at #1

Most consecutive weeks at #1

Most Wimbledon titles Irrelevant as Rafa has 12 at a single slam to Fedr's 8

Most WTF titles.

5 straight titles at 2 different majors



24 straight finals won - Making finals don't count. He didn't win those titles. That's double counting.


24 consecutive match wins against top 10 opponents. - Not a proper record.



6+ titles at 7 different tournaments -


4+ consecutive finals on all 3 surfaces -
Making finals don't count. He didn't win those titles. That's double counting.


40 consecutive match wins at 2 different slams


All 4 Slam Finals in 3 different seasons


Longest Hard court win streak - still doesn't beat Nadal's win streak


Longest Grass court win streak - still doesn't beat Nadal's win streak
This just proves that the best Federer can do apart of having 20 slams and the most weeks at #1 is failing to win titles and being happy just to make the QF/SF/F. If Fedr had proper records, he wouldn't bother about which round he made. It's really just scraping the barrel.

Most Slams

Most Slam Finals

10 straight GS Finals

Most Weeks at #1

Most consecutive weeks at #1

Most Wimbledon titles Irrelevant as Rafa has 12 at a single slam to Fedr's 8

Most WTF titles.

5 straight titles at 2 different majors - ??? I would question this. Not that special



24 straight finals won - Making finals don't count. He didn't win those titles. That's double counting.


- Not a proper record.



6+ titles at 7 different tournaments -


4+ consecutive finals on all 3 surfaces -
Making finals don't count. He didn't win those titles. That's double counting.


40 consecutive match wins at 2 different slams - is this 20 at each slam? Rafa has 39 at one slam!!!!


All 4 Slam Finals in 3 different seasons


Longest Hard court win streak
- still doesn't beat Nadal's win streak


Longest Grass court win streak - still doesn't beat Nadal's win streak
 
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clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
And Federer reaching 23 consecutive semifinals proves that he consistently reached the final stages of Grand Slams for nearly 6 years. 36 Quarterfinals show that he was among the 8 best players at every single slam for 9 years. And 23 consecutive semifinals is far less ridiculous than listing a 46 match win streak at a tournament or 10+ titles at a 500 series.

By the way, do you mind posting Nadal's consecutive QF and SF streak?
I'm only interested in titles won. Why should I care about not winning the titles? It's like putting 2nd year results on your CV because you failed your degree. Any employer would put your CV in the bin.
 

JaoSousa

Professional
I'm only interested in titles won. Why should I care about not winning the titles? It's like putting 2nd year results on your CV because you failed your degree. Any employer would put your CV in the bin.
Your analogy is wrong. Making slam SFs and Finals proves overall consistency over a period of time, which is very important when determining overall level. Anyway, I think I have made my point, so let us leave it here.
 

clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
My point is that you could do that for any player. You just pretend that you can only do it for Nadal, which is disingenuous.
How many players have done the following?:

Won 11 M1000 titles at one event
Won 11 500 titles at the same event
Had 10 consecutive years of winning a slam
Simultaneously holds of Olympic singles gold medal and Majors on clay, grass, and hard court
Have achieved the Career Grand Slam + Olympic Singles Gold medal + Olympic Doubles Gold Medal

Won a Career Grand Slam (aged 24)
Achieved a Career Golden Slam (aged 24)
Have an overall match win on any court percentage of 91.79% (436-39)
Has won an Olympic gold medal in singles and an Olympic gold medal in doubles in two separate Olympics in Open Era
Has won on a Masters 1000 and slam for four consecutive years (2005-2008)
Has won 8 consecutive titles at any single tournament
Has a 46 match win streak at any single tournament
Has a win streak of 81 on any surface
Has won 11 titles at three different tournaments
 
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clayqueen

G.O.A.T.
Your analogy is wrong. Making slam SFs and Finals proves overall consistency over a period of time, which is very important when determining overall level. Anyway, I think I have made my point, so let us leave it here.
No you haven't made your point. Winning titles is all that matters.
 

myth

Rookie
This just proves that the best Federer can do apart of having 20 slams and the most weeks at #1 is failing to win titles and being happy just to make the QF/SF/F. If Fedr had proper records, he wouldn't bother about which round he made. It's really just scraping the barrel.

Most Slams

Most Slam Finals

10 straight GS Finals

Most Weeks at #1

Most consecutive weeks at #1

Most Wimbledon titles Irrelevant as Rafa has 12 at a single slam to Fedr's 8

Most WTF titles.

5 straight titles at 2 different majors - ??? I would question this. Not that special



24 straight finals won - Making finals don't count. He didn't win those titles. That's double counting.


- Not a proper record.



6+ titles at 7 different tournaments -


4+ consecutive finals on all 3 surfaces -
Making finals don't count. He didn't win those titles. That's double counting.


40 consecutive match wins at 2 different slams - is this 20 at each slam? Rafa has 39 at one slam!!!!


All 4 Slam Finals in 3 different seasons


Longest Hard court win streak
- still doesn't beat Nadal's win streak


Longest Grass court win streak - still doesn't beat Nadal's win streak
Does losing in the first round of GS at his peak count? just asking
 

myth

Rookie
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