Roger planning to work with Annacone

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
Frome RF.com- ROGER TO DO TEST WITH PAUL ANNACONE


Dear Fans

I've been looking to add someone to my team and I've decided to spend some days with Paul Annacone. As Paul winds down his responsibilities working for the Lawn Tennis Association, we will explore our relationship through this test period. Paul will work alongside my existing team and I am excited to learn from his experiences.

See you soon


Interesting to say the least.
 
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Deleted member 77403

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Frome RF.com- ROGER TO DO TEST WITH PAUL ANNACONE


Dear Fans

I've been looking to add someone to my team and I've decided to spend some days with Paul Annacone. As Paul winds down his responsibilities working for the Lawn Tennis Association, we will explore our relationship through this test period. Paul will work alongside my existing team and I am excited to learn from his experiences.

See you soon


Interesting to say the least.
I'm looking forward to this! :)
 

TheMusicLover

G.O.A.T.
I guess this actually shows that Roger understands that there's some work for him to do and that he doesn't longer deny being in trouble with his game. Good news, hope it will work out!
 

DragonBlaze

Hall of Fame
I guess this actually shows that Roger understands that there's some work for him to do and that he doesn't longer deny being in trouble with his game. Good news, hope it will work out!
Woah, haven't seen you post in a while! Nice to have you back!

WELL, this is good news I hope! I am really hoping this arrangement works out and more so that it actually manages to elevate Rogers game.

Embarrassing question though, who is this Paul Annacone? :oops:
 

GetBetterer

Hall of Fame
I never thought I had to do this Roger...but you're making me. *Prays for Roger*

A lot of coaches haven't had the best records but have been able to help players get up to the top even if they themselves weren't the best. Annacone helped Sampras get #1, but both he and Sampras served and volleyed. I don't want to see 3 same damn types of game in my generation! Argghhhhhhhh!

Annacone has one Grand Slam title in the Australian Open, which Federer has won over the years very well.

I just personally believe Gallwey could help him more because of his psychological side, and then he would help Federer gain more confidence in certain strokes as well as help him in strategy.

Well, at least he didn't choose Gilbert. Gilbert has good tips but...eh some of the stuff he teaches have been completely contrasted from what many others teach sometimes.
 

Xenakis

Hall of Fame
This is the same Federer that played very well at the AO only a few months ago, especially well in the final (was watching highlights last night). Is it not a bit early to start panicking and hiring/firing?
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
This is the same Federer that played very well at the AO only a few months ago, especially well in the final (was watching highlights last night). Is it not a bit early to start panicking and hiring/firing?
I think he'll be keeping Luthi but Severin can't be around all the time considering his DC work and some new input won't hurt.To me his message suggests that he has been looking for someone for sometime now.
Let's not forget he did try to work out an arrangement with Cahill last year.
So maybe he was just looking for the right people to try out with.

In any case this isn't final.It's just a trial period and if helps Roger it'll be worth it.
 

TheMusicLover

G.O.A.T.
This is the same Federer that played very well at the AO only a few months ago, especially well in the final (was watching highlights last night). Is it not a bit early to start panicking and hiring/firing?
He won the AO, indeed, but that was about the only tournament in over a year's time where he played near to his level of old. Anyone who has been following Federer in the past couple of years knows that his level of playing has gone downhill, and yes, hiring a coach might just be the right thing to do to help him get back on track.
 

AM95

Hall of Fame
This is the same Federer that played very well at the AO only a few months ago, especially well in the final (was watching highlights last night). Is it not a bit early to start panicking and hiring/firing?
yes he won the AO in great form but he hasnt won a title since. i think he learned his lesson from 08. Besides Annacone is not a Hugeuras(sp)
 

Sartorius

Hall of Fame
I think he'll be keeping Luthi but Severin can't be around all the time considering his DC work and some new input won't hurt.To me his message suggests that he has been looking for someone for sometime now.
Let's not forget he did try to work out an arrangement with Cahill last year.
So maybe he was just looking for the right people to try out with.

In any case this isn't final.It's just a trial period and if helps Roger it'll be worth it.
I agree. People will think Federer is panicking, but I think he has always been on the lookout for someone.

In fact for all we know Federer might have wanted Cahill on board, but Cahill probably thought he couldn't commit for a full year, that's what he said anyway if I remember correctly.
 

joe sch

Legend
Good move for Roger.

A little late but better late than never.
I think Tony Roche was also working wonders for the Federer game but Roger ended that relationship too soon as he needed to use those lessons against Nadal the last few years.

It also ironic that Federer hires former Pete Sampras coach. In any event, I think with the better baseline players and Rogers age, he will need to finally use a more allcourt attacking game.

Good luck Roger, hope you can win a few more slams.
 
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meg0529

Guest
I never thought Rog would do this, but I'm glad. Learning to accept that you need a boost, even if you are Roger federer is a good sign!
 
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FiveO

Hall of Fame
It will be interesting.

Alot of interesting questions will be answered in this one.

How flexible are both?

Annacone's influence on Sampras was a major contrast following Gulli. All out attack.

Personally, I felt that Fed needed MORE of that and to do so needed to significantly improve his transition skills/familiarity, but I don't think Fed has "all out attack" tools.

There will have to be give/take on both sides.

Better is better, improving his transition skills would be a good thing, as that would likely translate into more forays to net and a re-honing of his dormant volleying prowess in this generation...

...but...

...will merely "more" be enough to for Fed to re-assert himself?

It will be interesting to see.

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abmk

Bionic Poster
interesting. I don't think rog will agree completely to the all-out net attacking strategy of annacone. Lets see how they adjust
 

darthpwner

Banned
Paul's a genius about deciphering the game's of his students opponents. Glad to see that Federer is receiving help from Sampras' old coach!
 
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decades

Guest
he's 29. pro tennis players win a lot less when they get to be 29.
 

nickarnold2000

Hall of Fame
he's 29. pro tennis players win a lot less when they get to be 29.
Hey, don't forget that Agassi at 35 - US Open 2005 - gave Fed all he could handle for 3 sets. Fed's only 29 and has taken good care of himself so if he's dedicated enough, he can still be a major factor!
 

TheMusicLover

G.O.A.T.
Hey, don't forget that Agassi at 35 - US Open 2005 - gave Fed all he could handle for 3 sets. Fed's only 29 and has taken good care of himself so if he's dedicated enough, he can still be a major factor!
Wasn't Sampras himself 31 years old when he racked up his last USO title?
Still two good years to go, if Fed finds back his game.
 

JeMar

Legend
I think Annacone is a perfect fit for the style of game that Federer should be playing. Sampras was a bit arrogant off the court and he played like it. He needs to go into matches knowing that if he just goes for his shots, he'll probably get the win, just like Pete did. He's not gonna win them all, but I think his best is still good enough to take down most titles.
 

mandy01

G.O.A.T.
he's 29. pro tennis players win a lot less when they get to be 29.
Maybe.But a new pair of eyes won't hurt though of course I wouldn't expect any major changes in his game.Also, if it does help him stay longer then it's worth it.
 
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TennisandMusic

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No coaching is going to account for age and loss of athleticism. Is Annacone going to rejuvenate Federer's loss of speed, coordination, etc?

Could be a good move for him, but there is no fighting time. We've seen these kinds of remarks every time he hires a big new coach. "Oh, now he will figure out Nadal!" etc. Never played out that way though. I fail to see how it's going to help him in his "old age".
 

bolo

G.O.A.T.
I like the move, although I don't see this as a move towards S/V.
Fed's not really built for that and the game's changed as well, although if he can learn to hit better approach shots and work on his fearhand volley he might be able to do better at the net than in the past.
 

TheMusicLover

G.O.A.T.
No coaching is going to account for age and loss of athleticism. Is Annacone going to rejuvenate Federer's loss of speed, coordination, etc?

Could be a good move for him, but there is no fighting time. We've seen these kinds of remarks every time he hires a big new coach. "Oh, now he will figure out Nadal!" etc. Never played out that way though. I fail to see how it's going to help him in his "old age".
You attribute all of Federer's 'downfall' to his age. It might well be a little more complicated than that. Isn't CONFIDENCE also a very important factor? Annacone, a very good coach, might well be able in regaining that for a bit. Who knows.

And it isn't 'just' Nadal anymore who's the problem for Fed nowadays. About half of the top-50 are.
 
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rnrockz1

Guest
I think we'll be looking at a post-prime Federer S&V a lot...sends a message to those baseline pushers.
 
Here's what Paul Annacone himself had to say a year ago about Fed's game. (http://nyti.ms/9V21S1) in the NY Times:

Just as it was for Pete, it’s a particularly interesting, challenging time in Roger’s career. But I would look at it with Roger in the same way as for Pete. For guys like that, it is daunting but not that daunting. They are so skilled, they can adjust, but a lot of the adjustment is mental. ...

We are all creatures of habits. Roger has won a lot a certain way, and when you’ve done that for four or five years and then in year six or seven, that shot that used to be a winner isn't a winner anymore, the tendency in human nature is to overplay a little bit. And that’s what’s happening. His couple of patterns that used to be very dominant are still successful against 95 percent of the guys — just not against that last five percent. ...

I always feel in an individual sport, it's up to the guy on court, but as you watch the evolution of careers, it's good to have someone you trust and who understands you and what you're trying to do and also your game and the history of what's gone on.

He may choose to keep doing what he’s been doing and not tweaking, and that’s his choice as a champion. But for me it would be a shame. If you have a lot of weapons in your arsenal and choose not to use them, what’s the point in having them? It’s a matter of managing them a bit differently than he did a few years ago.
Given this quote, I'd expect some fairly subtle changes from Fed. At the pro level, we're not just talking about whether to S&V more or approach more. It may be more refined as: in the first set, take big cuts at the ball or hit heavy topspin to pin your opponent back behind the baseline. In the second set, start mixing in more drop shots.



I don't think it follows that
 

yellowoctopus

Professional
Hope Mr. Federer is successful with another attempt to evolve his game; it should make for even more interesting tennis. I don't think he wants to have the same game as Sampras, but learning tactics for attacking the net from a new, ehm, expert person (avoiding the word 'coach' at the moment) whom have had success in the serve-and-volley game can only make watching tennis that more exciting to watch.

 
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bolo

G.O.A.T.
You attribute all of Federer's 'downfall' to his age. It might well be a little more complicated than that. Isn't CONFIDENCE also a very important factor? Annacone, a very good coach, might well be able in regaining that for a bit. Who knows.

And it isn't 'just' Nadal anymore who's the problem for Fed nowadays. About half of the top-50 are.
confidence partly comes out of winning and knowing deep down that you actually have the game to compete with the best. Bluffing can only take you so far.

Recently, Nadal has also talked about regaining his confidence, but first he had to regain his old level, which in turn he did by finding his aggressive forehand (toni has mentioned some bad habits that nadal fell into with his forehand post wimbledon return). The relationship between your level and confidence is dynamic but the changes to the game are more important imo. The confidence is like the final missing piece.
 
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meg0529

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confidence partly comes out of winning and knowing deep down that you actually have the game to compete with the best. Bluffing can only take you so far.

Recently, Nadal has also talked about regaining his confidence, but first he had to regain his old level, which in turn he did by finding his aggressive forehand (toni has mentioned some bad habits that nadal fell into with his forehand post wimbledon return). The relationship between your level and confidence is dynamic but the changes to the game are more important imo. The confidence is like the final missing piece.
You're right, the problem with confidence it seems is that, the more you win the more confident you become. But, if you start doubting your game, and lose a lot of confidence, and that causes you to lose, then the more you lose the more you fall into that slump, it becomes hard to come out of that cycle. I think the clay season is what Rafa needed, that is his surface, and he started getting good results, and before you know it his confidence was high enough and he managed to bag that Wimby. Plus Fed should really not be losing hope at this point, I mean sure the clay season didn't work out too well for him, but even right before Wimbledon he was looking very unsure, I'm sure the Falla incident didn't help him much, but it seems he is becoming more and more aware of the fact that he will not be around a whole lot longer, so every loss is hitting him harder. Maybe HC will for Fed, like clay worked for Rafa!
 
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TennisandMusic

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You attribute all of Federer's 'downfall' to his age. It might well be a little more complicated than that. Isn't CONFIDENCE also a very important factor? Annacone, a very good coach, might well be able in regaining that for a bit. Who knows.

And it isn't 'just' Nadal anymore who's the problem for Fed nowadays. About half of the top-50 are.
Yeah I'm aware he doesn't have just a Nadal problem. He can't even make it far enough to face him, and that's his problem. I was making the point that people in the past have stated a coaching change is going to elevate him to ridiculous heights (owning Nadal etc.). It just never played out that way.

I'm not attributing ALL of Federer's problems to his age, but surely that's a big factor. Just look at how feeble he looks on the court these days. People keep talking about the AO on here, but he should have lost two matches in that tournament if his opponents didn't choke. He just doesn't play that well these days. I mean, if Annacone wants to change how he plays, how is that going to be more successful in his final days? Kinda hard to teach an old dog new tricks and stay at the top of the game. His serve and volleying ain't gonna get it done.
 

christos_liaskos

Professional
This forum is very strange. To be honest I got a bit fed up of it recently and haven't visited here for a while because so much rubbish seemed to be on here. When I heard the news however of Federer possibly hiring Annacone I thought I would come on here and see what people's opinions were. Surprise surprise, this board continues to throw up some strange stuff.... within the last year or two where Federer has shown some stuttering form there have occasionally been threads on here suggesting Federer should hire a coach. I suggested that he should go for Annacone yet everyone laughed and thought it was a ridiculous idea. Now that Roger goes for it though everyone suddenly changes their opinion and everyone agree's Paul is the man for the job.

Forget technique rubbish about teaching Roger how to volley or whatever. I suggested that Annacone should take the job because at the time Federer was struggling with the pressure of chasing records, records that only one other person in recent memory had chased - Sampras. And who was the coach to help Sampras through those tough times and break those records? Annacone! It wasnt necessarily a relationship about coaching technique, more about helping Sampras deal with the pressure.

As Annacone is THE ONLY coach in the world who knows what it's like to be in charge of player under such pressure, he was the obvious choice for me to help Roger.

Roger is no longer chasing those records but he is facing pressure from critics saying he is over the hill and also from younger players over taking him in the rankings.

If Annacone can offer him anything it's not technique on the volley! It's getting Federer pumped up for the fight and go out with a bang for closing stages in his career. He may be able to help him see thins tactically a bit clearer too as Federer now has to deal with more loses and has more to think about.
 

bolo

G.O.A.T.
This forum is very strange. To be honest I got a bit fed up of it recently and haven't visited here for a while because so much rubbish seemed to be on here. When I heard the news however of Federer possibly hiring Annacone I thought I would come on here and see what people's opinions were. Surprise surprise, this board continues to throw up some strange stuff.... within the last year or two where Federer has shown some stuttering form there have occasionally been threads on here suggesting Federer should hire a coach. I suggested that he should go for Annacone yet everyone laughed and thought it was a ridiculous idea. Now that Roger goes for it though everyone suddenly changes their opinion and everyone agree's Paul is the man for the job.

Forget technique rubbish about teaching Roger how to volley or whatever. I suggested that Annacone should take the job because at the time Federer was struggling with the pressure of chasing records, records that only one other person in recent memory had chased - Sampras. And who was the coach to help Sampras through those tough times and break those records? Annacone! It wasnt necessarily a relationship about coaching technique, more about helping Sampras deal with the pressure.

As Annacone is THE ONLY coach in the world who knows what it's like to be in charge of player under such pressure, he was the obvious choice for me to help Roger.

Roger is no longer chasing those records but he is facing pressure from critics saying he is over the hill and also from younger players over taking him in the rankings.

If Annacone can offer him anything it's not technique on the volley! It's getting Federer pumped up for the fight and go out with a bang for closing stages in his career. He may be able to help him see thins tactically a bit clearer too as Federer now has to deal with more loses and has more to think about.
Not sure what you are patting yourself on the back for here christos.

Federer broke the record and won another slam after without annacone. Maybe you could have patted yourself on the back if federer didn't break the record and had taken on annacone now. Then you could have said look I suggested this a year ago, but it takes some cajones to do it after fed's accomplished what he's always wanted and then takes on annacone. :)

In any case you have your view about what fed. needs from a coach (pumping up), others have a different view. Pumping up could keep federer in the game long enough to score another slam, but making some other changes could have even more returns in terms of winning more.
 

Buckethead

Banned
Annacone has always been one of the best options for Fed, i have said that would be either him or Cahill.Cahill didn't work out and Luthi was competent,but remember that Federer having a new coach will have nothing to do with his recent results,because weather He wins or loses He has always tried a part time coach along the years.
But this is good news.
Other options could be Sampras or Krajicek.
 
I don't think Roger needs a coach, if anything Ann is only going to be there for confidence and a second opinion, that's it.

Roger just needs to re-dedicate himself, that is all.

Next year he will be fine and all the ****s can stop freaking in their pants, he came back after 2008 didn't he?
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
Finally! It took him some time, he's so stubborn. Best decision he's made (ever?) Given the state of his game, without some fresh input, he's done. Whether this works or not doesn't matter, this is the only chance he has to remain competitive in the future. Not giving it a shot would be suicidal.
 
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Jchurch

Guest
We need to assemble the dream team of coaches
Sampras: Serve
McEnroe: Net play
Borg: Movement

But in all honesty, I think this will be a good move. It seems that since that he has been playing very passive since the AO and if he can somehow gain some confidence from Annacone it would be great.
 

rommil

Legend
It would be curious how Paul would affect Roger's performance though we will not see a complete overhaul. A more often but surprise serve and volley play would be nice to see and at least see a bit of an initial spark from the partnership (like Stefanki would with his past players). Roger needs to consistently have an imposing frame of mind, move forward and I guess find a way to stay more motivated (easier said than done). His game is still there, we see peeks at it every once in a while.
Something new for Roger, I'd say a good and interesting move. Looking forward to it.
 

christos_liaskos

Professional
Not sure what you are patting yourself on the back for here christos.

Federer broke the record and won another slam after without annacone. Maybe you could have patted yourself on the back if federer didn't break the record and had taken on annacone now. Then you could have said look I suggested this a year ago, but it takes some cajones to do it after fed's accomplished what he's always wanted and then takes on annacone. :)

In any case you have your view about what fed. needs from a coach (pumping up), others have a different view. Pumping up could keep federer in the game long enough to score another slam, but making some other changes could have even more returns in terms of winning more.
The main reason I pointed out that I had suggested Annacone a while ago was that back then everyone laughed and said he was a ridiculous choice, for whatever reasons. Now it could happen though everyone is jumping on the band waggon of what a great idea it is. It's the whole band wagon thing and people saying things just because they think it's the right thing (yet they dont actually have a clue) which is why I dont come on here much anymore.

As for what a coach can do for Federer. I still stick by the fact that it's not technique which is troubling Federer at the moment. Do I really need to list his records, to show for the millionth time like so many others have done all ready that he is arguably the greatest ever? You don't get to that stage with apparent 'major flaws' in your game (which seems to be the latest 'in fashion' thing to say about Federer, that he cant volley :-?).

He has had major changes in his personal life, changes in his goals, never mind just getting older(!) over the last couple of years. A few years back where he had nothing else to care about and had these records to chase you can imagine just why he would bust a gut 24 hours a day to achieve what he has. When he says now that he is still just as motivated now I believe him, I believe that he believes that. But it's probably subconciously that he has lost those few % which has seen him slip back into the rest of the pack. With Annacone motivating him to not go quietly and finish with a bang I think he can fire Federer up again for atleast one more time (slam). You really can't tell me that teaching him to 'hit a volley' is higher on the priority list? Federer dominated like noone ever has and now people say there are major technical flaws in his game :confused:
 

rommil

Legend
Annacone has always been one of the best options for Fed, i have said that would be either him or Cahill.Cahill didn't work out and Luthi was competent,but remember that Federer having a new coach will have nothing to do with his recent results,because weather He wins or loses He has always tried a part time coach along the years.
But this is good news.
Other options could be Sampras or Krajicek.
Or Uncle Toni. See how his stands coaching will distract Rafa.
 

veroniquem

Bionic Poster
We need to assemble the dream team of coaches
Sampras: Serve
McEnroe: Net play
Borg: Movement

But in all honesty, I think this will be a good move. It seems that since that he has been playing very passive since the AO and if he can somehow gain some confidence from Annacone it would be great.
Yes he's been playing too passive. The problem is when he has tried to play more aggressive lately his ues shot up. I'm not sure how a new coach is gonna solve loss of speed and accuracy due to age but since no coach at all is guaranteed to solve nothing, this is definitely the best thing he can do.
 
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