rogers new frame update,

dr. godmode

Professional
It's hard to swing sticks that heavy over a 3 set match though and you can't use your wrist to torque the ball back in the court for a pass.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
It's hard to swing sticks that heavy over a 3 set match though and you can't use your wrist to torque the ball back in the court for a pass.
Hmmmm.....pros used to use 15 oz. wood racquets when every match was best of 5 sets and there were no tiebreaks in any set. Borg had no problems using his wrist to hit passing shots. :)
 

PBODY99

Legend
Wilson once had a contraption disguised as a tennis racquet that was called the Wilson Spin with a round beam of 15 mm :) Looked supremely cool, though, and quite heavy despite resembling an overpriced fly-swatter.

Was a total sales disaster, if I recall correctly. Apparently not stable enough.

Keep it at 19 mm or nearby.... this is the sweet spot for 95-98 sqin frames... Yonex Pro RD 70 Long with its waif-like 16 mm frame notwithstanding
Spin Hammer in a 95 matched your specs. I played against 1 player in USTA League who loved his but he had very old school eastern strokes.
The companies could go thinner, but it might cut into margins.
 

anubis

Hall of Fame
No, you don't. You just need good technique and timing. Little kids with zero muscles used to use 14 oz. wood racquets with no problems whatsoever.
You do need to be strong to wield 12+ OZ sticks. I'm a weakling, can only bench 125 lbs, and I weigh 180 lbs. When I use 12+ oz sticks, I get tired. During a 2+ hour match, by the end I can no longer get enough racquet head speed to generate pace. By the end of the match, my forehand speed is like 25 mph. Even 2.5s can beat me.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
No you don't. I have been using them for ever.
you can use them. but it is bit slower at net when 80 mph passing shots are coming at you, and in doubles, it's even worse.

+ if you match goes long like past 2 hours, racket becomes bit heavy or Feel heavy and you start to get late on your shots.
 

Nostradamus

Bionic Poster
I wonder if they will use Basalt or Graphene material

I think Graphene is the way to go for this new line of Wonder rackets.
 

Praetorian

Professional
You do need to be strong to wield 12+ OZ sticks. I'm a weakling, can only bench 125 lbs, and I weigh 180 lbs. When I use 12+ oz sticks, I get tired. During a 2+ hour match, by the end I can no longer get enough racquet head speed to generate pace. By the end of the match, my forehand speed is like 25 mph. Even 2.5s can beat me.
haha... I remember the good old days, when we used to lead up the rackets when the rule was "Play with the heaviest you are comfortable with." - easily 13-14oz. After drilling for a couple hours, and playing practice matches, no one ever said "my racket gets too heavy" as time went on. We just acknowledged we were tired, and probably having heat strokes... LOL. Ah the 7th grade were good times.

Of course this was before the advent of fine tuning measures of SW, Stiffness rating, polarization, matching, and grams down to .00000001.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
You do need to be strong to wield 12+ OZ sticks. I'm a weakling, can only bench 125 lbs, and I weigh 180 lbs. When I use 12+ oz sticks, I get tired. During a 2+ hour match, by the end I can no longer get enough racquet head speed to generate pace. By the end of the match, my forehand speed is like 25 mph. Even 2.5s can beat me.
You're just out of condition. It has nothing to do with muscles. I have no muscles at all and I play with 13 oz. racquets with no problems. Go run 5 miles a day for 6 months and you'll have no problems using a 12 oz. racquet. :)
 

dr. godmode

Professional
You're just out of condition. It has nothing to do with muscles. I have no muscles at all and I play with 13 oz. racquets with no problems. Go run 5 miles a day for 6 months and you'll have no problems using a 12 oz. racquet. :)
I guess I'm just supremely weak
 
from a marketing/sales perspective, it makes total sense for federer to upgrade to 98, a size that most rec players can use, and then continue to roll out fed 98s years after he retired.

if samparas' prostaff 88 were ps 98, i think it would've caught on more.
 
Interesting. It does look similar. Do you know what racquet Steffi is using in this picture?
This frame ended up being marketerd as the Pro Staff 7.5, the cosmetic was white with pale red & blue.

Was Wilson making a Max 200g style frame, they were comfy but not a lot of ompf
 

KITESURF23

New User
do you know , when it will appear this raquet at stores ?

will Federer play with a painted racquet on his next tournament ?
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Still overpriced Made in China junk.
No thanks.
Everything is made in China. If you don't want stuff made in China, you need to stop buying everything.

In fact, the computer you're using to post on this message board was probably made in China (or at least most of the parts inside were).
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
Everything is made in China. If you don't want stuff made in China, you need to stop buying everything.

In fact, the computer you're using to post on this message board was probably made in China (or at least most of the parts inside were).
I agree. People need to understand China is the factory of the world, that's it. You can't find many items made outside China nowadays, including tennis items.
 

corners

Legend
18 mm? So it will be nothing like the racquet Fed played with at the AUS Open. No way that was 18 mm, more like 21-2
Yeah, it looked between 20-22mm to me too. 18mm sounds awesome in theory, but nobody has yet produced an 18mm 98 hoop yet that is rock solid stable.

In any case, graphite/kevlar braided 98!!!!
 
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movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
> I agree. People need to understand China is the factory of the
> world, that's it. You can't find many items made outside China
> nowadays, including tennis items.

Yonex.

My last two cars were made in Kentucky by Toyota. I've visited the plant and watched them building cars there.

There's actually a move back to in-source because the US has a huge cost advantage vs Asia now in energy.

My tennis shoes are made by New Balance in the US. New Balance has a number of factories in New England.

China has a huge, looming demographic problem because of their one-child policy and the numbers of workers for cheap manufacturing will fall off a cliff at some point.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
You could always go vintage.

I used to play with the Jack Kramer Autograph. I don't think that they were made in China.
 

JoelDali

G.O.A.T.
I was on the downtown C train and I saw a girl with a red Wilson bag with rare Basalt fibers woven into the accessory pouch.
 

Bobby Jr

G.O.A.T.
What I'd like to know is how the original poster, who is based in Australia, was privy to anything from high up at Wilson. Wilson don't even have a company HQ in Australia, only a local agent.

Agents and sales rep, in my experience, know less about what is going on than the collective investigatory skills of the people on talk tennis.
 

RFRF

Semi-Pro
What I'd like to know is how the original poster, who is based in Australia, was privy to anything from high up at Wilson. Wilson don't even have a company HQ in Australia, only a local agent.

Agents and sales rep, in my experience, know less about what is going on than the collective investigatory skills of the people on talk tennis.
there asia pacific manager was here, his american but based in shanghai, i believe he knows what his talking about.
 

RFRF

Semi-Pro
What's his name?
i don't go on here to waste peoples time and my own, i just reporting what i was told, your welcome to call wilson here in melbourne in the suburb of breiside and ask them for his name. u can even ask if he was here on the 4th 3 days ago.why are u obtuse? is it deliberate??
 
What's his name?
Maybe that's privy information. Who cares...why would you ask a question that might get someone into trouble.

With regards to 18mm beam on a 98 racquet that doesn't flex or vibrate like a crappy 90 BLX....I'll believe when I see it and feel it.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
Yonex.

My last two cars were made in Kentucky by Toyota. I've visited the plant and watched them building cars there.

There's actually a move back to in-source because the US has a huge cost advantage vs Asia now in energy.

My tennis shoes are made by New Balance in the US. New Balance has a number of factories in New England.

China has a huge, looming demographic problem because of their one-child policy and the numbers of workers for cheap manufacturing will fall off a cliff at some point.
I'd bet many of the parts that were assembled inside of your Toyota were made in China.

Are you sure your NB tennis shoes were made in the U.S. or just assembled in the U.S.? I know that New Balance makes a few shoe models in the U.S. but I thought all of their tennis shoes are made outside of the U.S.
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
You could always go vintage.

I used to play with the Jack Kramer Autograph. I don't think that they were made in China.
Well, it would be a pity if you can't get all the latest models just because they are made in China. If you don't care, well, shouldn't be a problem then.
 

ricki

Hall of Fame
> I agree. People need to understand China is the factory of the
> world, that's it. You can't find many items made outside China
> nowadays, including tennis items.

Yonex.

My last two cars were made in Kentucky by Toyota. I've visited the plant and watched them building cars there.

There's actually a move back to in-source because the US has a huge cost advantage vs Asia now in energy.

My tennis shoes are made by New Balance in the US. New Balance has a number of factories in New England.

China has a huge, looming demographic problem because of their one-child policy and the numbers of workers for cheap manufacturing will fall off a cliff at some point.
You dont see difference between assembly point and manufacture...
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
> I'd bet many of the parts that were assembled inside of
> your Toyota were made in China.

The US content of my old Avalon was in the 90+%. I believe that the US content of my Camry is in the 80s. At the beginning of the tour, they show you these huge steel rolls and then you see the steel fed into stamping machine to make the frame, panels and other parts. There are electronics, seats and other pieces and those may have been sourced from other countries but the vast majority of these cars are made in the US.

> Are you sure your NB tennis shoes were made in the U.S.
> or just assembled in the U.S.? I know that New Balance
> makes a few shoe models in the U.S. but I thought all of
> their tennis shoes are made outside of the U.S.

I've shopped at the New Balance Factory Outlet in Brighton for the past 25 years. The Factory Outlet used to be attached to the actual factory and then they moved it a few blocks east. I believe that their tennis shoes were made in that factory many years ago. I just checked the New Balance Factory Outlet website and they don't list any Made In the USA or Assembled in the USA labels on their tennis shoes so they may very well not make them here anymore. I do use Cross-Trainers for playing tennis as well and they do have a few Assembled in the USA models.

I just checked and New Balance made 70% of their shoes in the USA in 1994 so my recollection seems accurate.

I buy far more running shoes than tennis shoes and I do look for the US flag on the box for running shoes.

> You dont see difference between assembly point and
> manufacture...

New Balance makes that distinction now on their Factory Outlet website. So you can get assembled in the USA or manufactured in the USA.

New Balance has videos of their factories running where you can see what they do in their factories.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
Well, it would be a pity if you can't get all the latest models just because they are made in China. If you don't care, well, shouldn't be a problem then.
I actually don't care on racquets as I have them matched and customized. I don't particularly care for the allowed tolerances for retail frames though - it's way too wide.
 

JoelDali

G.O.A.T.
The top 3.5 in Boulder County is playtesting the new 88 iRF frame and said it has good feel and touch.
 

KITESURF23

New User
RFRF do you have any idea WHEN wilson will release that new racquet of Roger ?

if i remember well you told that it would be a green one ?
 

rh310

Hall of Fame
Any chance they'd have the even string spacing drill pattern, rather than slightly denser in the middle of the stringbed as (I believe) is typical of PWS frames?
 
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