rogers new frame update,

Harry_Wild

G.O.A.T.
I think Wilson will spend more time on the graph design then the new Federer racquet "recreational" specs. They pretty much know what the "sweet spot" is in this type of racquet. I sure it will be close to other 98s. It might be close to that of the Prestige mold this time around which is lighter then that of the Prostaff 85/88.

Not sure if Wilson will wait a full year till the 2015 Australia or do it near U.S. Open. But I would intro it during/after the French Open which is in May. Tennis "Summer" peak playing season for all tennis players will be in June-September. It just right for a new tennis racquet purchase to improve your game time! LOL!
 

corners

Legend
If Wilson has this(profit) in mind, they should release the exact same model Roger uses because there will be huge demand for this racquet, I can assure you. They don't even have to do any more marketing/advertising because it has already been done during the past half year. Once it is released, it will sell out in a few weeks. It will be hard for Wilson to meet the demands, in fact.
Even better, they should do what Yonex does with their Tour line frames: release a heavy spec, in this case Fed's playing spec, and also a lighter spec, which is about 20 grams lighter and 15 units lower in swingweight.

Wilson knows full well how to do this, as the Asian Tour 90s spec out just like the lighter versions of Yonex Tour models. Wilson has never released the Asian spec in Western markets though, which has caused a lot of grumbling and complaining. They should do it this time. If they don't, they're silly. I think they will, especially as they are already building in the "L" designation (light) into several of their lines.
 

RFRF

Semi-Pro
Spoke with RFRF the other day and he said he definitely knows whats going on with Rogers racquet. It's only seconds away, if not microseconds from being announced.

95% of posters on this forum are truthers.

TRUTH ON RFRF
mr flip, PLAYING with his cat again!!!!!
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
Even better, they should do what Yonex does with their Tour line frames: release a heavy spec, in this case Fed's playing spec, and also a lighter spec, which is about 20 grams lighter and 15 units lower in swingweight.

Wilson knows full well how to do this, as the Asian Tour 90s spec out just like the lighter versions of Yonex Tour models. Wilson has never released the Asian spec in Western markets though, which has caused a lot of grumbling and complaining. They should do it this time. If they don't, they're silly. I think they will, especially as they are already building in the "L" designation (light) into several of their lines.
I guess a lot of rackets come out in lighter version already. I'm sure they will release lighter version of Federer stick. I just think K90 wasn't unplayable racket at all(My main racket is Pro Staff BLX 90 and I also use BLX tour 90 and K-factor 90), and this new racket, being supposed to be more playable, will be a massive hit.
 

JoelDali

G.O.A.T.
This Raquet is transforming the game of a certain 3.5 I know. He is adjusting his game the same way Rogi has. Preparing for eventual larger stick switch. Building up forearm mussels in the house of no repute.
 

corners

Legend
Actually Pete's was exactly the same as the public version -- just with Nate's leadwork on it.
Yep, but the other poster was asking for the new Fed stick be sold with Fed's actual specs. I pointed out that even Pete's KPS 88 was not released at his spec. We'll see what effect, if any, the two lawsuits against Wilson will have on what they release.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
I have seen one guy use it, around the time I used to use it. I think your sample set is highly skewed.
Maybe there's just more better players around where I play? But I do indeed see lots of people using the KPS88. Heck, I played against three such people in just the past few months.

BTW, welcome to the "Bionic Poster" Club! :)
 

Overdrive

Legend
This Raquet is transforming the game of a certain 3.5 I know. He is adjusting his game the same way Rogi has. Preparing for eventual larger stick switch. Building up forearm mussels in the house of no repute.
We all know that the 3.5 is you, Joel.
 

JoelDali

G.O.A.T.
No. It's not me. I am still using a 90. I'm not influenced by all the hype.

90 is the correct size for coordinated athletic people. 100+ is for uncoordinated people who have extreme difficulty playing Galaga or other hand/eye coordination demanding GOAT games.
 

BreakPoint

Bionic Poster
No. It's not me. I am still using a 90. I'm not influenced by all the hype.

90 is the correct size for coordinated athletic people. 100+ is for uncoordinated people who have extreme difficulty playing Galaga or other hand/eye coordination demanding GOAT games.
Then what kind of people use an 85?

"Bionic" people? :)
 

henryshli

Semi-Pro
The question isn't really whether one is good enough to play with a 90 or 88. The question is whether the one will benefit from a larger head.
 

JoelDali

G.O.A.T.
When I host supermodels from Europe we often go play tennis at Central Park and I give them one of my old KPS 88 to use. These girls have never played tennis but they benefit from the swing weight and added modularity of this beast 88 GOAT stick.
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
here some news for y'all:
Roger Federer at an interview in Miami concerning his racquet “It could be a finished product, but I'm still going to just test a couple of things in the next few weeks, so I should know probably in a month. I definitely will know if this is going to be it or not.”
According to this, the earliest wilson will have an okay from Federer for the racquet is in a month (and looking at his latest performances that is highly likely).
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
The racquet is destined to be the GOAT. It is being developed and tested on ATP tour by none other than Federer and Wilson.
 

JoelDali

G.O.A.T.
If you grounded this Test Raquet up into fine powder and mixed it with bac water and injected it into your thighs you would grow into a 4.5 overnight.
 

Power Player

Talk Tennis Guru
My favorite racquet to give petite latinas with perfect apple buns who want to play the tennees is my Prince thunderstick.

Rumor is this new rogi stick is that very mold, injected with basalt and braided cortex.
 

Tonyr1967

Rookie
I disagree. Tons of recreational players used the Dunlop Max 200G back in the 80's and 90's and many used them very well. They were not heavy at all compared to most other racquets of that era. And for people coming from wood racquets (like McEnroe and myself), they actually felt very light.

Remember the Wilson TV commercial in 1984 in which Jimmy Connors touts how light the ProStaff 85 was? At 12.8 oz., it's considered heavy today but back then it was considered feather light.
Completely agree. The Max 200G felt like a feather after a playing with wood for years.
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
The racquet is destined to be the GOAT. It is being developed and tested on ATP tour by none other than Federer and Wilson.
If you've ever played with anything remotely similar to Federer's previous set up, you'd know that it is pretty hard to play. The combination of a polarized racquet at low tension made for a big challenge. Looking at his current tension, it may be easier, however, his personal racquet will most likely still be polarized and very few players actually like that. Racquets cannot be GOAT because they are made for a specific type of player, so what is the best racquet is a very subjective matter. For example I love thin beam, low flex racquets (e.g PS 95) whereas a friend of mine hates them and prefers thick beamed and stiff racquets such as the Pure Drive. There might be a racquet that is the GOAT for you, but not in general I'm afraid.
 

chjtennis

G.O.A.T.
If you've ever played with anything remotely similar to Federer's previous set up, you'd know that it is pretty hard to play. The combination of a polarized racquet at low tension made for a big challenge. Looking at his current tension, it may be easier, however, his personal racquet will most likely still be polarized and very few players actually like that. Racquets cannot be GOAT because they are made for a specific type of player, so what is the best racquet is a very subjective matter. For example I love thin beam, low flex racquets (e.g PS 95) whereas a friend of mine hates them and prefers thick beamed and stiff racquets such as the Pure Drive. There might be a racquet that is the GOAT for you, but not in general I'm afraid.
You must be a dead serious person. Of course, everyone knows that no racquet can suit everyone. Sorry for giving you wrong impression.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
If you've ever played with anything remotely similar to Federer's previous set up, you'd know that it is pretty hard to play. The combination of a polarized racquet at low tension made for a big challenge. Looking at his current tension, it may be easier, however, his personal racquet will most likely still be polarized and very few players actually like that. Racquets cannot be GOAT because they are made for a specific type of player, so what is the best racquet is a very subjective matter. For example I love thin beam, low flex racquets (e.g PS 95) whereas a friend of mine hates them and prefers thick beamed and stiff racquets such as the Pure Drive. There might be a racquet that is the GOAT for you, but not in general I'm afraid.
I thought that polarized frames were pretty popular with ATP players today.

My setup is 15 grams of lead between 10:00 and 2:00 and silicone in the handle - is that polarized enough?
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
I thought that polarized frames were pretty popular with ATP players today.

My setup is 15 grams of lead between 10:00 and 2:00 and silicone in the handle - is that polarized enough?
They are becoming MORE popular, however they are still very rare on the Tour. Most players still prefer the depolarized set-up.
 

rh310

Hall of Fame
I'm not so sure about that. Wilson sold millions of all the previous versions of the Tour 90s and most of them were not the exact model that Federer used. I think people will buy it as long as it LOOKS like the model that Federer uses.

You're probably right about the look, but I think it needs to be a good frame that is a distinct offering in its own right in order to sell in big numbers.
 
I thought that polarized frames were pretty popular with ATP players today.

My setup is 15 grams of lead between 10:00 and 2:00 and silicone in the handle - is that polarized enough?
How much and what kind of silicon did you put in the handle?

How much did you drill out and how did you figure out how much silicon to put in.

Any info appreciated.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
I bought the frames customized and matched already. I didn't use them for quite some time because I found the frames hard to use. But I tried them after frustration with my YTs and got used to them.
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
My setup is 15 grams of lead between 10:00 and 2:00 and silicone in the handle - is that polarized enough?
Holy smokes I only just read how much lead you put in the head, that is a LOT! :shock: Just as a comparison, Nadal plays one of the most polarized set-ups and he only has 8g of lead at 12 ^^'
 

Alexrb

Semi-Pro
Holy smokes I only just read how much lead you put in the head, that is a LOT! :shock: Just as a comparison, Nadal plays one of the most polarized set-ups and he only has 8g of lead at 12 ^^'
How would you get close to 390 SW without putting more than 8g at 12? Add more at 3/9?

Not saying Nadal has 390, but more as a general question.
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
How would you get close to 390 SW without putting more than 8g at 12? Add more at 3/9?

Not saying Nadal has 390, but more as a general question.
well Pistol Pete had a swingweight of over 400kg/m^2 with lead tape only at 3/9, so it should work ;) I'm not an expert at such matters, but I am sure that it indeed has to do with weight at 3/9. Honestly, I for my part believe that 15g at 12 might be pushing it a little, but that is up to you really.
I don't measure swingweight when customizing personally, because I find that it prevents me from objectively looking at how the racquet feels. I just add weight until it "feels right". More specifically I add weight at 3/9 until I get my favoured stability, then I slightly polarize the racquet with lead on the buttcap and at 12 (slightly more at 12 usually) until the racquet feels good while swinging and on contact. If the racquet still is underpowered I either lower stringing tension or add weight in the throat. That way I consistently get good results with different frames (of course if customizing the same frame to another's customized specs, I get into all the frustrating calculations, but that only has to do with matching racquets).
 

corners

Legend
They are becoming MORE popular, however they are still very rare on the Tour. Most players still prefer the depolarized set-up.
Almost every player in the top 20 uses a "polarized" setup. Djokovic is a good example. 370+ swingweight, 360 or less static mass and 32cm balance. That is more polarized than any frame currently on the market. Pat Rafter played at 360g/32cm/350 swingweight, very similar to Fed's spec. Safin was at 352g/32cm/347 swingweight. Not quite as polarized as Djoker, but pretty typical for ATP players for over a decade.
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
Almost every player in the top 20 uses a "polarized" setup. Djokovic is a good example. 370+ swingweight, 360 or less static mass and 32cm balance. That is more polarized than any frame currently on the market. Pat Rafter played at 360g/32cm/350 swingweight, very similar to Fed's spec. Safin was at 352g/32cm/347 swingweight. Not quite as polarized as Djoker, but pretty typical for ATP players for over a decade.
Then I apologize for that, I had heard otherwise.
 

movdqa

Talk Tennis Guru
How would you get close to 390 SW without putting more than 8g at 12? Add more at 3/9?

Not saying Nadal has 390, but more as a general question.
Nadal's SW is around 362-364 and he's starting out with a retail frame whereas I have a Pro Stock frame which starts out with a lower SW compared to retail.
 

SpinToWin

Talk Tennis Guru
Nadal's SW is around 362-364 and he's starting out with a retail frame whereas I have a Pro Stock frame which starts out with a lower SW compared to retail.
ahhh you have a pro stock, that explains it all. I thought you had regular Prestige mps :D
 
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