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Roland-Garros 2013: Nadal won't have a special seeding
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beast of mallorca
G.O.A.T.
I hope Federer, Rafa and Djoker are in the same half of the draw, either Rafa in Fed's quarter or Djoker's. That way, Murray or Ferrer has the chance to be in the finals. Win-win situation for me........Murray has to be. Number 2 first, for that to happen. Hope he does well in Madrid and Rome.
Gonzo_style
Hall of Fame
I want to see Fedal QF at RG
Mustard
Bionic Poster
Why isn't it good? It's how it might be according to the seeding system. It would be a change, if nothing else, one of Nadal or Djokovic definitely going home before the semi finals. The tennis system isn't there to cater to the whims of the big 4 as a group.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
No it wasn't. In 2011 more than ever the most captivating would have been Nadal/Djoko. It's a shame it didn't happen but if it had it was only right it would have been a final.
mariecon
Hall of Fame
Last year he won Madrid and made the SF in Rome and RG. How you can glean from that that he is playing poorly on clay I don't know. Really. Your statement is unfounded.
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mariecon
Hall of Fame
oh come on. Those two played enough boring one-sided ball bashing finals in 2011. The best match that year was the RG SF between Federer and Djokovic.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Once again, Madrid 2012 had nothing to do with red clay. He didn't do "awful" you're right but he was in scintillating form in 2012. So this year: worse form (so far) and even less than last year can I imagine him beating either Nadal or Djoko on red clay. Not impossible naturally, just unlikely and I would not bet on it, that's all.
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SLD76
G.O.A.T.
Red slow clay is the only true clay.
Bet veroniquiem has noooooo problem with slow grass that plays like clay, or slow high bouncy hardcourt.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
It was an irrelevant match since neither of them won the tournament. It was good, entertaining but not important. The reason why Nadal/Djoko is important currently is because they have a genuine clay rivalry going on with Djoko pulling off the win in 3 out of the main 4 clay events. It's natural people start wondering if he could do it as well in the 4th. Natural and legitimate and above all interesting whatever the answer may be.
SLD76
G.O.A.T.
Nad djoko is captivating for the drama.
The actual tennis is boring and exhausting to watch. 30 stroke rallies and endless grinding and retrieving and both players allergic to the net.
mariecon
Hall of Fame
:lol:
It wasn't irrelevant or unimportant in that Federer stopped Djoker's win streak, possibly preventing the CYGS and also gifted Nadal his 6th RG title by taking out his main competition in the SF. Djoker owner Nadal that year and would have beaten him in the final. But Federer tired himself out beating Djoker and couldn't pull it off in the final.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Actually RG 2011 was the only red clay final Fed played in the last 3 years (since Madrid 2010). Most others were Nadal/Djoko with the occasional Nadal/someone else.
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Nobody will ever know for sure but my opinion is that Nadal would have won vs Novak at RG and it would have given him more confidence for the W match. RG was Rafa's best chance to beat Novak that year. It was actually detrimental to Nadal that it didn't happen. That's what gave Djoko the streak of 6 consecutive wins.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
That's true but it's not the players' fault, the conditions were very lousy.
mariecon
Hall of Fame
uh Madrid 2009 (W), RG 2009 (W), Madrid 2010 (F), RG 2011 (F). And stop saying Madrid 2012 wasn't clay FFS. And get your facts straight. Please.
NatF
Bionic Poster
You mean Djokovic was lousy for 3 sets. Nadal was playing extremely well and Djokovic was playing a pretty average match. The final was poor, the rain saved it from being a total bore by giving the illusion of a Djokovic fight back.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
It played nothing like clay, sorry. Since Madrid 2010: so last 3 years.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Ok, I looked up the exact stats.
Since 2009 (last 5 years), Fedal have not played at M-C, Djokodal: 3 times.
Rome: Fedal: 0, Djokodal: 3 times.
RG: 1 Fedal, 1 Djokodal
Madrid is the Fedal gound! 3 Fedal vs 2 Djokodal.
However, overall, it's not even close: 9 Djokodal vs 4 Fedal. (And it's actually 10-4 because Djokodal played a clay match in DC)
Since 2009 (last 5 years), Fedal have not played at M-C, Djokodal: 3 times.
Rome: Fedal: 0, Djokodal: 3 times.
RG: 1 Fedal, 1 Djokodal
Madrid is the Fedal gound! 3 Fedal vs 2 Djokodal.
However, overall, it's not even close: 9 Djokodal vs 4 Fedal. (And it's actually 10-4 because Djokodal played a clay match in DC)
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mandy01
G.O.A.T.
What? I didn't see you talk like that about Nadal and his lapdog Verdasco match at AO 09. And trust me, the RG SF was a heck of a lot more important because not only did it SAVE your loverboy's ranking at the time, it also prevented Djokovic from getting s possible calender slam in a year when he was whooping up on everybody, including your boy. Face it, you can't handle the fact that in his best year, Djokovic's only real threat at majors was a man nearly 6 years older than him. It certainly wasn't your boy Rafa. :twisted:
Amelie Mauresmo
Banned
The French Open organizers will rig the draw and put Nadal in the bottom half of the draw probably in Andy Murray's section.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Nadal/Verdasco at AO 2009 was a thrilling edge of seat 5 setter and Nadal was the future winner of the AO. No comparison with Fed/Djoko at RG which didn't even go to a 5th and didn't involve the eventual winner of the event. Not even close.
Once again, Fed/Djoko has now happened twice at RG with split outcomes, nice tennis but no particular significance. The only story at RG is: after Fed's numerous epic fails, can Djoko be the one to win one vs Nadal?
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Amelie Mauresmo
Banned
But Djokovic still has not proven he can beat Nadal at the French Open. At the end of the day that's what matters MOST. I believe Djokovic has a better shot at beating Nadal at the French Open than Federer though.
Federer is boring he's lost to nadal FIVE TIMES at the French Open he's never going to beat Rafa in Paris. And I certainly don't want to see another boring French Open match between these two in a final. If Federer and Nadal meet it should be before a final their matches are zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
No, it was a one-dimensional tennis match against a known lapdog with no future consequences at all. When did being an "eventual winner" become a criterion for a fantastic match or is it yet another dose of baloney you Nadal fans have come up with?
...but which was infinitely better than a lot of five-setters you're likely to see. So there is comparison.
...And it DID involve the world no. 1 ranking; your boy's only shot at a major that year, as well as Mcenroe's streak of consecutive matches.
N
Yep, it's not even close. Federer-Djokovic all the way.
Yeah the one last year had no significance. The one before that had considerably a lot going on the line.
So? Doesn't change the fact that despite Federer's so called "epic fails" he remained the only threat at majors to Djokovic.
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Gonzo_style
Hall of Fame
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
Deal with it. It wasn't Nadal. Nopey, nope :mrgreen:
mariecon
Hall of Fame
So it's considered an epic fail for someone to win Roland Garros just because he hasn't beaten Nadal there!!! Twisted logic. I'm sure you'd believe Djoker beating Nadal at RG and losing the title is a bigger feat than Federer winning in 2009. :lol: n*rd logic at it's best.
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veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Exactly. I'm not sure what chance Djoko has at RG but at least he has 1. He's the only player who's defeated Rafa in the 3 clay masters and more than twice overall. ITA it may not mean much for RG but who else has had that level of success vs Nadal on clay? It's a rivalry and it's the most exciting we have on clay at the moment. It's certainly not a 50/50 type of rivalry at RG but it's better than nothing and definitely better than 500th edition of "Fed's bachand breaks down once again".
moonballs
Hall of Fame
If beating Novak is so important for Rafa to rebuild confidence, then lets all root for them to be drawn to the same quarter, or at least the same half.
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
Fed is not the only threat to Djoko in slams. At RG, he's not even the main threat to Djoko (as last year demonstrated). There are a lot of threats to Djoko in every single slam: Haas
, Wawa :twisted: and Nadal/Murray who both beat him in slams last year.ETA: the man to beat at RG is not Djoko, not more in 2011 than any other year. Which is why Fed didn't win RG 2011 and which is why that particular semi was of limited significance overall.
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mandy01
G.O.A.T.
I said his "best year." 2012 was NOT Djokovic's best year.Fed is not the only threat to Djoko in slams. At RG, he's not even the main threat to Djoko (as last year demonstrated). There are a lot of threats to Djoko in every single slam: Haas
Man to beat or not Djokovic did beat up on your boy all over the place and Fed in all probability saved him big time that year apart from putting an end to a tremendous streak at the time. So yes, it was very much "relevant."
veroniquem
Bionic Poster
I believe Rafa would have beaten Novak at RG, so, still no. (Fed did make it easier though!)
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
What you "believe" is irrelevant. Not the match. The match had a lot riding on it.
Not to mention your belief would've been substantiated had Nadal managed to get one on Djokovic at any point that year. But as it did not happen.......
mariecon
Hall of Fame
Fed is not the only threat to Djoko in slams. At RG, he's not even the main threat to Djoko (as last year demonstrated). There are a lot of threats to Djoko in every single slam: Haas
ETA: the man to beat at RG is not Djoko, not more in 2011 than any other year. Which is why Fed didn't win RG 2011 and which is why that particular semi was of limited significance overall.
uh NEWS FLASH...Federer also beat Djoko at a slam last year. Or doesn't Wimbledon count?
mandy01
G.O.A.T.
sbengte
G.O.A.T.
Wow ! You got insider information that Ferrer is drawing Nadal ?
West Coast Ace
G.O.A.T.
Going for the stupidest comment of the month award? Fed hasn't played on red clay in about 11 months.
... Math, is Nadal seed No.4 or better, Ferrer has 1/4 of meeting him in qf, and 3/4 of chance meeting the other big 3 or whoever defeats them. But if Nadal seeded 5th, he has 1/4 chance of meeting him in qf, but if he doesn't meet Nadal in QF, he won't have to face Nole or RF either. So he'd much rather Rafa seeds lower than him.
TheF1Bob
Banned
Too much Top Spin for veroniquem I say.
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