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nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
What does Nadal at number 9 mean? Why is he numbered 9? Is that just list in any order or Nadal will be 9th seed as well?

If the latter then it's very unfair. He could meet Djokovic or anyone in R1 as per the ranking.
 

adil1972

Hall of Fame
Which will be first streak to come to end after djok - coach ivanisevic split

1) slams
2) atp 1000 events
3) wtf
4) no 1 ranking
5) YE#1
6) all of above
7) something else??? Pls mention

Is not it funny that ivanisevic won only one slam after 3 RU showing all at WB

But djok won 12 slams under his guidance in 5 years

What will be ur reaction be if djok wins only OSGM this year & nothing else

There is saying something like that whatever goes up has to come down as directed by law of gravity

A person learns more from his own mistake than by his own intelligence
 
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Razer

Legend
It’s clear to everyone who knows what a PR is, that you have no idea what you’re talking about.

Who said anything about the actual PR rules ? I am aware of that..... I wasn't implying the rule book.... I meant he should be protected for the sake of entertainment, a 14 time champ being seeded high is box office draw and if the authorities help him to reach the final stages then so be it, that is what I meant.
 

Roforot

Hall of Fame
9th Seed is fair for Nadal, after having 14 french opens he has earned the right to be protected for as long as he is in the draw.
Since Djokovic is defending champion, he should be first. But I think Nadal should be granted 2 or perhaps 3rd seed at worst based on his legacy and this likely being his last run.
 

nolefam_2024

Talk Tennis Guru
Since Djokovic is defending champion, he should be first. But I think Nadal should be granted 2 or perhaps 3rd seed at worst based on his legacy and this likely being his last run.
No seed. He should not get any special treatment.
If he meets Djokovic in R1, its possible. That would be great R1 match of past and the future.
 

Razer

Legend
Since Djokovic is defending champion, he should be first. But I think Nadal should be granted 2 or perhaps 3rd seed at worst based on his legacy and this likely being his last run.

Yeah, a 14 time champ and a 3 time champ who is defending champ can be given some unfair advantages. Box office draw matters..

For Nadal I will always endorse a top 10 seeding even if he is ranked 600 in the world every year.
 

ChrisRF

Legend
Yeah, a 14 time champ and a 3 time champ who is defending champ can be given some unfair advantages. Box office draw matters..

For Nadal I will always endorse a top 10 seeding even if he is ranked 600 in the world every year.
But there cannot be a thing like "for Nadal" or "for player XY". It has to be a clear defined rule, or it should be impossible, as simple as that. There cannot be anything subjective about it.
 

Apun94

Hall of Fame
What does Nadal at number 9 mean? Why is he numbered 9? Is that just list in any order or Nadal will be 9th seed as well?

If the latter then it's very unfair. He could meet Djokovic or anyone in R1 as per the ranking.
Youre really panicking thinking about Djokovic losing R1, arent you :-D :-D :-D :-D
 

Rafa24

Hall of Fame
Ironically, it's because Nadal complained in 2019 about it that they abandoned it in 2021. Being that he made the SF in 2022, he probably would have been seeded with the old system.
same year he got F****** by the stupid roof rule in semis agains djoker? or was that 2018 actually. "hey we closed the roof mid match so the next day when it's perfectly sunny we will leave it closed". Amazing that one rule/technicality or we'd likely be sitting at 23-23 on the slam count. They've since changed that as well.
 
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DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
same year he got F****** by the stupid roof rule in semis agains djoker? or was that 2018 actually. "hey we closed the roof mid match so the next day when it's perfectly sunny we will leave it closed". Amazing that one rule/technicality or we'd likely be sitting at 23-23 on the slam count. They've since changed that as well.
Nadal was robbed at gunpoint.
The Wimbledon committee invented a rule that did not exist and they changed it the following year, realizing the terrible mistake they made in the 2018 edition.
:whistle:
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
same year he got F****** by the stupid roof rule in semis agains djoker? or was that 2018 actually. "hey we closed the roof mid match so the next day when it's perfectly sunny we will leave it closed". Amazing that one rule/technicality or we'd likely be sitting at 23-23 on the slam count. They've since changed that as well.
That was 2018 and the seeding issue happened in 2019. I can't believe you guys still think the roof made the difference in a match that was 10-8 in the 5th.
 

Rafa24

Hall of Fame
That was 2018 and the seeding issue happened in 2019. I can't believe you guys still think the roof made the difference in a match that was 10-8 in the 5th.
everyone in the stadium and watching wanted the roof open the next day but one person. djoker. if both sides agreed to have it open it would have been opened.
 

Rafa24

Hall of Fame
Nadal was robbed at gunpoint.
The Wimbledon committee invented a rule that did not exist and they changed it the following year, realizing the terrible mistake they made in the 2018 edition.
:whistle:
yes this is what i was saying. thanks for saying it again.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
same year he got F****** by the stupid roof rule in semis agains djoker? or was that 2018 actually. "hey we closed the roof mid match so the next day when it's perfectly sunny we will leave it closed". Amazing that one rule/technicality or we'd likely be sitting at 23-23 on the slam count. They've since changed that as well.
The roof was closed from the beginning of the match. They put the Nadal vs. Djokovic semi final second, after Isner vs. Anderson. Isner and Anderson came out onto Centre Court at 1pm, and went on to play a 6 hour and 36 minute match that ended with Anderson winning 7-6, 6-7, 6-7, 6-4, 26-24. They didn't move Nadal vs. Djokovic to Court 1 at around 6pm or 6:30pm like they would have done in the 20th century in such a situation. By the time that Nadal and Djokovic got onto Centre Court, it was gone 8pm, and the roof was closed, with play scheduled until the 11pm curfew. If I remember right, Nadal blew set points in the third set tiebreak and it was about 11:03pm when Djokovic won the third set, so in a sense Wimbledon broke another of their rules.

Then, the next day, the referee Andrew Jarrett said that the roof had to remain closed on a hot, sunny day (during the late May to late July 2018 heatwave) unless both players consented to opening the roof. Djokovic naturally wanted the roof kept on, and proceeded to save break points late in the fifth set and eventually win 6-4, 3-6, 7-6, 3-6, 10-8. This result changed tennis history, believe me. Djokovic had not won a major since the 2016 French Open, but then won 3 majors in a row from 2018 Wimbledon to the 2019 Australian Open.

Referee Andrew Jarrett also made the decision in 2007 not to play on the middle Sunday, a sunny day, when scattered showers were forecast across South East England on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. Nadal ended up playing every day during that second week at 2007 Wimbledon.
 

DSH

Talk Tennis Guru
yes this is what i was saying. thanks for saying it again.
Memory will never fail at a key moment in the history of Tennis.
It was incredible that the result of the match was decided not by the players but by a third party.
:mad:
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
That was 2018 and the seeding issue happened in 2019. I can't believe you guys still think the roof made the difference in a match that was 10-8 in the 5th.
It obviously did. The annoying thing is that Nadal should have won under the roof anyway and blew it.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
Memory will never fail at a key moment in the history of Tennis.
It was incredible that the result of the match was decided not by the players but by a third party.
:mad:
Traditional fifth sets survived the 70-68 on an outside court in the first round, but not the 26-24 in the semi final.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
It obviously did. The annoying thing is that Nadal should have won under the roof anyway and blew it.
This is contradictory. On one hand, you say the roof made the difference and on the other, Nadal blew it. I don't see how the roof made the difference in a match of that caliber and quality. I tend to think Nadal had his chance and he blew it. That was not Djokovic at full power and was his best chance, and he couldn't take him down despite his great form that tournament.
 

Mustard

Bionic Poster
This is contradictory. On one hand, you say the roof made the difference and on the other, Nadal blew it.
Not contradictory at all. Before 2018 Wimbledon had even started, there was a long heatwave that was ongoing, and I was thinking that these conditions would make it perfect for Nadal to win Wimbledon again. And then what happens? The only match of the entire event played indoors was Nadal vs. Djokovic. Even indoors, Nadal still had set points in the third set tiebreak, the third set didn't finish until 11:03pm with Djokovic winning the set, and Nadal also had break points late in the fifth set. Only in the first set was Djokovic clearly the better player.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Not contradictory at all. Before 2018 Wimbledon had even started, there was a long heatwave that was ongoing, and I was thinking that these conditions would make it perfect for Nadal to win Wimbledon again. And then what happens? The only match of the entire event played indoors was Nadal vs. Djokovic. Even indoors, Nadal still had set points in the third set tiebreak, the third set didn't finish until 11:03pm with Djokovic winning the set, and Nadal also had break points late in the fifth set. Only in the first set was Djokovic clearly the better player.
Nadal played his best match of the tournament, despite it being the one he played under the roof. It was razor thin close, decided by the slimmest margins with Djokovic only winning 4 more points in the entire match. Each had 73 winners and 42 unforced errors. Nadal had his chance and he didn't take it. Sometimes we have to accept things for what they are instead of looking for another reason other than not doing enough on the day to win.
 

Razer

Legend
It obviously did. The annoying thing is that Nadal should have won under the roof anyway and blew it.

Nadal had the mental advantage of winning 3 slams in the 15 months prior to Wimbledon 2018 while Djokovic was in a bad patch ..... That's why the match even went that close....otherwise a Djokovic in form would have convincingly beat Nadal.
 

Rafa24

Hall of Fame
This is contradictory. On one hand, you say the roof made the difference and on the other, Nadal blew it. I don't see how the roof made the difference in a match of that caliber and quality. I tend to think Nadal had his chance and he blew it. That was not Djokovic at full power and was his best chance, and he couldn't take him down despite his great form that tournament.
Djoker played great that tournament and Nadal was playing some of his best grass court tennis. Funny thing was djoker wasn't even going to go wo Wimbledon that year because he was in a mental funk but one of his coaches talked him into it. Yes, nadal should have won it but they also should have played outdoors the next day too. nobody knows if he would have for sure but outdoors and heat benefits his game more.
 

Rafa24

Hall of Fame
Nadal had the mental advantage of winning 3 slams in the 15 months prior to Wimbledon 2018 while Djokovic was in a bad patch ..... That's why the match even went that close....otherwise a Djokovic in form would have convincingly beat Nadal.
And if djokovic could have been in form enough to play rafa in 06, 07 and 08 he probably would have been convincingly beat by rafa then. tomato potato. players peak and valley throughout their careers.
 

Baseline_Bungle

Hall of Fame
What does Nadal at number 9 mean? Why is he numbered 9? Is that just list in any order or Nadal will be 9th seed as well?

If the latter then it's very unfair. He could meet Djokovic or anyone in R1 as per the ranking.
9th Seed is fair for Nadal, after having 14 french opens he has earned the right to be protected for as long as he is in the draw.
Could be given a protected seeding. Not sure.
Do not agree with protected seedings at all. Makes a mockery of the draw as seedings should be based on current form.
I can't believe I'm reading this stuff from people who post about tennis on a daily basis...

9 is obviously just his PR, which guarantees him entry. But the seeding is based on that week's official ranking and has been for years now, at all tournaments around the world. Needless to say, he will not be seeded at RG.

Then of course there are "unofficial" ways to make sure he doesn't run into Alcaraz in the 1R, but that's another story...
 

Razer

Legend
And if djokovic could have been in form enough to play rafa in 06, 07 and 08 he probably would have been convincingly beat by rafa then. tomato potato. players peak and valley throughout their careers.

Djokovic has already displayed higher level at Wimbledon than your 07 or 08 or whatever. Thats why he has 7 titles and Nadal has only 2.

Djokovic not only has a higher level than Rafa but also sustains it year after year with less decline in his body, he is superior to your claydal....

Djokovic and Nadal are not equals, Djoker is his superior on Grass..... So stop pretending as if they are equals and saying Nadal could have done this, done that..... if he could have done anything then he would have in 2011 or in 2018.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
Djoker played great that tournament and Nadal was playing some of his best grass court tennis. Funny thing was djoker wasn't even going to go wo Wimbledon that year because he was in a mental funk but one of his coaches talked him into it. Yes, nadal should have won it but they also should have played outdoors the next day too. nobody knows if he would have for sure but outdoors and heat benefits his game more.
Djokovic was very good in Wimbledon 2018 but his 2011, 2014 and 2015 versions would have beaten that version. He didn't reach his very top level and was trying to get his mojo back. He was just angry and mad after that RG match, and upset with himself but he wasn't going to miss Wimbledon. Indoors or outdoors, it was an excellent match and I don't think the roof had much at all to do with the outcome when a match goes over 5 hours and 10-8 in the 5th.
 

NoleFam

Bionic Poster
The Excuse Brigade never sleeps

plus, if we are looking for rules that affected play, without the 11 pm curfew they would have played into the night and Novak had the momentum and could have easily won in 4 sets
Yes very good point. Djokovic did have all the momentum when they suspended the match on the 1st night.
 
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