Roland Garros 2024 Ladies SF - [1] Swiatek v [3] Gauff

Who will win?


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Tennis Fan States63

Hall of Fame
Iga Swiatek just too tough right now for the rest of the ladies @ Roland Garros. A historic match either way now on Saturday as she goes for 3rd in a row. The last two to accomplish that were Justine Henin ('05 - '07) and Monica Seles ('90 - '92).
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
Iga Swiatek just too tough right now for the rest of the ladies @ Roland Garros. A historic match either way now on Saturday as she goes for 3rd in a row. The last two to accomplish that were Justine Henin ('05 - '07) and Monica Seles ('90 - '92).

She was at the mercy of Oaaka who netted an easy mid court forehand into the net, when Iga was already beaten in the point. That would have been 2 MP and match over.

Her toughest competition was a returning mother.
 

baronsob

New User
2024 Roland-Garros SF – Swiatek - 6-2, 6-4

Man Coco mostly never had a chance in any set in every match she has lost. The only match she beat Iga was hard-fought and like a coin flip. Considering she's 4 years younger than Iga she might be able to turn it around in the next 10 years...
She is not even 3 years younger
 

zvelf

Hall of Fame
It makes no sense. Who does that? LOL. Especially when they are dominating
Justine Henin also retired as #1 and that started a massive weak era for Serena to exploit.

She was at the mercy of Oaaka who netted an easy mid court forehand into the net, when Iga was already beaten in the point. That would have been 2 MP and match over.
Possibly, but Sabalenka had 3 match points on Swiatek in Madrid and still lost. Federer has had multiple double match points against Djokovic over the years and improbably lost. So it's not a sure thing.
 
She was at the mercy of Oaaka who netted an easy mid court forehand into the net, when Iga was already beaten in the point. That would have been 2 MP and match over.

Her toughest competition was a returning mother.

Let's not forget this match was in indoors conditions. Outdoors, Osaka probably wouldn't have done this well. Anyway I know you hate Swiatek.
 

roysid

Legend
Finally i get to see the replay. That should have been called a replay of point.
Came to know that Coco Gauff had a huge meltdown at Dubai. That time she was serving, called wide. Pliskova returned in net. Gauff challenged and ball was in. But umpire called replay the point and Gauff had a huge meltdown.

And today she had a meltdown because replay had not been given.

These kind of 50-50 decision will always cause trouble.
In my humble opinion, players should keep composure . Usually thats on male side where they dont fret on single point.
 

dapchai

Legend
Where do you rate peak Swiatek on clay compared to past women FO champs? I know you're a more severe judge than most when it comes to level displayed so I am interested in your answer.
Likely Iga hasn't peaked on clay yet. Her most impressive win so far was RG 20 and that's likely her best version there, her FH was just scandalous. There's an argument for her 22 version though.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
Justine Henin also retired as #1 and that started a massive weak era for Serena to exploit.


Possibly, but Sabalenka had 3 match points on Swiatek in Madrid and still lost. Federer has had multiple double match points against Djokovic over the years and improbably lost. So it's not a sure thing.

The difference was, Osaka battered her badly after that first set. Iga gets hammered by Ostspenko everytime she plays her, Osaka is a better player. What she lacked was the lack of big match play. Iga looked helpless and needed Osaka's level to drop.
 

coolcamden

Hall of Fame
The difference was, Osaka battered her badly after that first set. Iga gets hammered by Ostspenko everytime she plays her, Osaka is a better player. What she lacked was the lack of big match play. Iga looked helpless and needed Osaka's level to drop.
I call BS. Did you watch the match?

NO was redlining, IS played at 60%. When Iga pulled herself to 100% the match was over.
 

ACE of Hearts

Bionic Poster
The difference was, Osaka battered her badly after that first set. Iga gets hammered by Ostspenko everytime she plays her, Osaka is a better player. What she lacked was the lack of big match play. Iga looked helpless and needed Osaka's level to drop.

I don’t wanna hear about Osaka. Give me a player that you know is dedicated to the game 100 percent. Osaka gets too much of a pass with her shenanigans.
 

roysid

Legend
The difference was, Osaka battered her badly after that first set. Iga gets hammered by Ostspenko everytime she plays her, Osaka is a better player. What she lacked was the lack of big match play. Iga looked helpless and needed Osaka's level to drop.
Thats Iga s weakness. If someone just hammers winner after winner , she is clueless
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
I call BS. Did you watch the match?

NO was redlining, IS played at 60%. When Iga pulled herself to 100% the match was over.

I call that BS. Iga was not able to play her best, the same way she cannot play her best against Ostapenko. Quite simply put, she is not allowed to. Or are you saying Ostapenko just happens to redline everytime?

Iga has a solid game, no question, but she can be overpowered and hit off the court. She is consistent, but her best is not the best on the tour. Her base however, especially on clay is superior, she gets all my credit for that.
 

ACE of Hearts

Bionic Poster
I call that BS. Iga was not able to play her best, the same way she cannot play her best against Ostapenko. Quite simply put, she is not allowed to. Or are you saying Ostapenko just happens to redline everytime?

Iga has a solid game, no question, but she can be overpowered and hit off the court. She is consistent, but her best is not the best on the tour. Her base however, especially on clay is superior, she gets all my credit for that.

She can also overpower someone as well. She has power in her game.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
Thats Iga s weakness. If someone just hammers winner after winner , she is clueless

Yes, seen it too many times. She is great no question, but she can be hit off the court. Ostapenko loves playing her and said there is nothing in Iga's game that really troubles her.
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
Where do you rate peak Swiatek on clay compared to past women FO champs? I know you're a more severe judge than most when it comes to level displayed so I am interested in your answer.
She's pretty good obviously but I'm not sure Iga displayed a higher clay peak than Henin or SW this century. Taking her over Sharapova though.
 

marc45

G.O.A.T.
Yes, seen it too many times. She is great no question, but she can be hit off the court. Ostapenko loves playing her and said there is nothing in Iga's game that really troubles her.
let's see if these trends continue...especially against Ostapenko and Rybakina...and Sabalenka once in a while....and now Osaka...I think Iga will make some adjustments, she's just too good to let players like that dominate her over the full course of her career
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
let's see if these trends continue...especially against Ostapenko and Rybakina...and Sabalenka once in a while....and now Osaka...I think Iga will make some adjustments, she's just too good to let players like that dominate her over the full course of her career

Lets see. If she can, then kudos to her. But as of now, she is helpless if someone plays thay way. She cannot do what Henin did with that sort of play.
 
I call that BS. Iga was not able to play her best, the same way she cannot play her best against Ostapenko. Quite simply put, she is not allowed to. Or are you saying Ostapenko just happens to redline everytime?

Iga has a solid game, no question, but she can be overpowered and hit off the court. She is consistent, but her best is not the best on the tour. Her base however, especially on clay is superior, she gets all my credit for that.

You are omitting the fact that this was playing in indoors conditions. Iga on outdoors slow clay wouldn't have struggled like this against Osaka.
 

baronsob

New User
The difference was, Osaka battered her badly after that first set. Iga gets hammered by Ostspenko everytime she plays her, Osaka is a better player. What she lacked was the lack of big match play. Iga looked helpless and needed Osaka's level to drop.
Osaka better player lmao. She has like 5 titles at 27 yo, 60% win rate and 4 slams in transitional era.
 

Tennis Fan States63

Hall of Fame
She's pretty good obviously but I'm not sure Iga displayed a higher clay peak than Henin or SW this century. Taking her over Sharapova though.

It would be interesting to see her in a match against either of JH or SW....be put under pressure in different ways, but I'd also like to see how they would have responded.

IF Sabalenka had advanced from the bottom half, I would have given her a chance (maybe like 25/30%) - at least I thought it might be interesting. We'll see what JP/MA winner can do, but they look to be overmatched at first glance.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
I was asking about clay, not sure why you mentioned USO although everyone already knows that going Penko mode on hard v Iga is a good strategy

Well considering Penko herself is a RG champion, she knows how to hit through on any surface.
 
Oh wait so you are admitting that the queen of clay needs certain conditions to not struggle on clay against Osaka. OK.

So conditions of play don't matter in the outcome of a match and doesn't change the game of the players ? Indoors conditions make Swiatek's spiny FH less potent and effective, while the absence of wind enhances Naomi's serve and risky flatter groundstrokes. Maybe Naomi would have done this well without the roof as well, we'll never know, but personally I really do not think so.

And by the way Iga has wins against powerful players : against Sabalenka multiple times, against Ryba in Doha, against Osaka in the Miami final, multiple wins against Keys, multiple wins against Samsonova... It's the type of players she struggles the most against but she has shown that she can beat them as well.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
And yet she failed to hit through her way to the latter stages. Who did she fail to hit through this time round?

And your point? Did you not read that I said Iga gets credit for being consistent and having the best base game?
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
So conditions of play don't matter in the outcome of a match and doesn't change the game of the players ? Indoors conditions make Swiatek's spiny FH less potent and effective, while the absence of wind enhances Naomi's serve and risky flatter groundstrokes. Maybe Naomi would have done this well without the roof as well, we'll never know, but personally I really do not think so.

And by the way Iga has wins against powerful players : against Sabalenka multiple times, against Ryba in Doha, against Osaka in the Miami final, multiple wins against Keys, multiple wins against Samsonova... It's the type of players she struggles the most against but she has shown that she can beat them as well.

I know the H2H, but also seen her look completely helpless. Of course she can win, I said she is good, but her best IMO is not the best on the tour. We can agree to disagree on that, to me, she is a bit overrated.
 

robyrolfo

Hall of Fame
Look, let's be honest here. Gauff is now the #2 ranked player in the world, and she doesn't have a forehand. Let that sink in. The #2 player in the world can't hit a consistent forehand.

These are the 2 fastest players on tour. No question.
Gauff yes, but I don't think Swiatek is among the fastest in straight-line speed. She moves very well, and has good footwork, but her raw speed isn't great, as evidence by how much she struggles to get to drop shots.

Take a look back at some of her responses to droppers in just this match. Swiatek seems to run with strides that are a little side to side, as opposed to straight forward and back. And that's not good for speed.

She is still conflicted whether she could get her racquet ready or wave her arms wildly.
Ha, this was good for a laugh. Thanks.

Sakkari, Jabeur, Vondrousova, Qinwen
I said top level players. Not 3rd tier players (because Gauff seems to be pretty much alone in the 2nd tier), who can show up and play very well on random occasions, but also look like #85 ranked players on occasions.

There are only 3 top level players in the world right now: Swiatek, Sabalenka and Rybakina. They are clearly a step above the rest, but even they are all limited players that can struggle with consistency.

I can’t talk to you when you’re acting like an idiot. She literally beat a top level player IN HER LAST MATCH. Ons Jabeur. Incredible top 10 win to make this SF. That’s not even touching on the multiple other top 10 wins she’s had since her US Open title. You are embarrassing yourself.
See above. Ons has been awful this year. Her run in this FO was somewhat decent, but she didn't play anyone of note.

Your hate comes through on the things you write, guy.
Hate? I don't hate Gauff or Swiatek. Hate is only reserved for Zverev, and now more recently Jabeur (with her trash politics), so I was actually rooting for Gauff in the last round.

Only Evert, Navratilova and Graf won their first 4 SF’s at the French Open. Some company that Swiatek has matched.
This is the problem. Putting her name amongst those others. Yes, her results are the reason for it, but realistically it's a joke.

Iga Swiatek just too tough right now for the rest of the ladies @ Roland Garros. A historic match either way now on Saturday as she goes for 3rd in a row. The last two to accomplish that were Justine Henin ('05 - '07) and Monica Seles ('90 - '92).
See above. Henin with her 2007 racquet, and Seles with her 1992 frying pan, would both blow Swiatek off the court, even on clay.

let's see if these trends continue...especially against Ostapenko and Rybakina...and Sabalenka once in a while....and now Osaka...I think Iga will make some adjustments, she's just too good to let players like that dominate her over the full course of her career
Huh? She, like so many other current players, never really adjusts. They just play their game, and hope it is good enough on the day. That is why an on-form Ostapenko absolutely thrashes Swiatek.
 
I know the H2H, but also seen her look completely helpless. Of course she can win, I said she is good, but her best IMO is not the best on the tour. We can agree to disagree on that, to me, she is a bit overrated.

Agree to disagree then. IMO she is has the best level in very specific settings while way more vulnerable in others. I would also take Osaka's peak level over her if they were to meet at the USO or the AO. We we'll see if that happens.
I had some issues with Swiatek early on but she has grown on me a bit in the last few months. I still think her whole demeanor and personality won't ever make her a massive star, but that's fine.
 

Hitman

Bionic Poster
Agree to disagree then. IMO she is has the best level in very specific settings while way more vulnerable in others. I would also take Osaka's peak level over her if they were to meet at the USO or the AO. We we'll see if that happens.
I had some issues with Swiatek early on but she has grown on me a bit in the last few months. I still think her whole demeanor and personality won't ever make her a massive star, but that's fine.

I have nothing against her personally, I actually like some of the wit and humor she sometimes brings. I did not like her gamemanship, but it has gotten much better. She has the best base consistent level, and deseves what she gets, but other players A game is superior to hers. We will leave it there.
 

volleyandfun

Hall of Fame
The difference was, Osaka battered her badly after that first set. Iga gets hammered by Ostspenko everytime she plays her, Osaka is a better player. What she lacked was the lack of big match play. Iga looked helpless and needed Osaka's level to drop.
Really? Having issues reading numbers?
Last 2 matches were close 3 setters.
Only 1st one when Iga just turned 18 and penko was already GS champ was lopsided.
 
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