Roland Garros: conditions "favor" Djokovic, says Toni Nadal

More suffering to enjoy for the nephew, then
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Did Toni also add that Djokovic is a lot better than Nadal also on clay, has insane shots and that Nadal doesn't have a chance to win?
 
This is obvious to anyone who isn't living in a fantasy world. This is not RG anymore. This is just a new tournament. Terrible conditions for Nadal and perfect for Djokovic.
If you look at results, Nadal doing fine, he adapted. Clay is clay.
 
Did Toni also add that Djokovic is a lot better than Nadal also on clay, has insane shots and that Nadal doesn't have a chance to win?
Perhaps the dumbest quote I’ve ever read on TW. Congrats.
French Open: Rafa -12
Novak-1

Monte Carlo: Rafa-9
Novak-2

Italian Open: Rafa-9
Novak-5

Madrid: Rafa-5
Novak-3

RAFA— 35
Novak- 11

yep, that clearly shows your research and vast knowledge!!
 
I mean, no need for Toni to spell it out, it's common sense.

If you rewatch old, near-peak Djokodal clay matches and RG in particular, you'll see Djokovic tended to get the upper hand when the court was rainy/slow/dead, and Nadal when the court was sunny/fast/bouncy. Windy conditions do favor Nadal, though.
 
This is obvious to anyone who isn't living in a fantasy world. This is not RG anymore. This is just a new tournament. Terrible conditions for Nadal and perfect for Djokovic.
An actual Fantasyland doesn't recognize that Nadal is an underdog at RG.

Even at 34.

Even with lousy balls.

Even with a roof.

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Q: Djokovic seems to have adapted perfectly to this fall Roland Garros, right?

A: "He's very solid. I think he's the one who is most favored by the new balls. When the ball is alive, Rafael manages to overflow it, but this will be more difficult."


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Of course he did. It's almost clinical the aversion to being the favorite, the insecurity of not being the underdog ....
 
This is obvious to anyone who isn't living in a fantasy world. This is not RG anymore. This is just a new tournament. Terrible conditions for Nadal and perfect for Djokovic.
I think tennis organisers must be big Novak fans. It’s incredible how many cupcake draws and favoured conditions he’s had the past couple of years.
 
Well, the conditions make it pretty impossible to hit through an good mover with spin, as Thiem has learned against Gaston and Schwartzman.

I am absolutely convinced that, in drier conditions, with livelier balls, he never has to fight 5 sets against Gaston. And probably notches a whole lot more winners against Schwartzman, which would have tipped the match in his favor.

Seeing that Thiem and Nadal play a similar type of game on clay, it's pretty obvious to me that those conditions would favor Djokovic.
 
I mean so did I, but in the end it's all about the Djokovic - Nadal matchup.

And in that particular matchup, cold, slow, low bouncing and/or indoor favor Djokovic, while warm, fast, bouncy and/or outdoor favor Nadal.
I’m not so sure about this. In general, I agree that high bounce in drier, hotter conditions aids Nadal as his topspin FH is more effective. But, he is also the best defender on clay and it is almost impossible to hit through his defenses in these heavy, cold conditions. The ATP website has an article about how Nadal is winning more than 65% of points lasting more than 4 shots while he usually wins less than 60% on clay. More points than usual are lasting more than four shots and so, it favors Nadal.

I honestly don’t know how Djokovic is going to finish enough points in these conditions to outlast Nadal In a Bof5 as Novak is usually the aggressor when they play each other - he could not do it at his prime in 2012-2014 at RG. In 2015, Nadal was in bad form including during the clay season. Nadal can just wait for him to make errors. In any case, a final between them will be fantastic to watch and I would have no idea on who will win if they both play at the best form they are currently capable of at their age.
 
I’m not so sure about this. In general, I agree that high bounce in drier, hotter conditions aids Nadal as his topspin FH is more effective. But, he is also the best defender on clay and it is almost impossible to hit through his defenses in these heavy, cold conditions. The ATP website has an article about how Nadal is winning more than 65% of points lasting more than 4 shots while he usually wins less than 60% on clay. More points than usual are lasting more than four shots and so, it favors Nadal.

I honestly don’t know how Djokovic is going to finish enough points in these conditions to outlast Nadal In a Bof5 as Novak is usually the aggressor when they play each other - he could not do it at his prime in 2012-2014 at RG. In 2015, Nadal was in bad form including during the clay season. Nadal can just wait for him to make errors. In any case, a final between them will be fantastic to watch and I would have no idea on who will win if they both play at the best form they are currently capable of at their age.
IMO waiting for Djokovic to make errors stopped working around 2011. He's mastered the tactic of taking control of points one stroke at a time until he forces an error/gets an easy putaway.

Also since 2017 Nadal's ground game is about as aggressive as Djokovic's on every surface, there are no clear aggressor/defender roles between them any more.

We may see how it plays out pretty soon. I mean, Djokovic is no spring chicken, but the symptoms of his decline aren't nearly as obvious as Nadal's, so I still have him as a favorite.
 
IMO waiting for Djokovic to make errors stopped working around 2011, but we may see how it plays out pretty soon.
I think it has worked only for Nadal since 2011 many times and only on clay. When they play each other, I always feel that Djokovic plays more offensively than usual because he does not feel that he can out-defend Nadal on clay. When Novak beats Rafa, he usually has a lot more winners than Rafa and wins more of the shorter points. Let’s see if he can do that successfully on the P-C court.
 
Despite cold and damp weather, "heavy balls", and the roof, Rafa reached SF without dropping a set. So I wonder what would be the outcome in May/June, in "favorable conditions" for him - 6:0, 6:0, 6:0 in every match?
 
Goran Ivanisevic: "Nadal has no chance against Djokovic"

Source: B92.net
Wednesday, October 7, 2020

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Novak Djokovic's coach Goran Ivanisevic is convinced that the Serb will win Roland Garros.

Djokovic will play against the Spaniard Pablo Carreno Busta on Wednesday, and his potential rivals in the semifinals are Andrey Rublev and Stefanos Tsitsipas.

On the other hand, Rafael Nadal and Diego Schwartzman will meet in the second semifinal, and the popular "Rabbit" is expecting the final match between the two best tennis players in the world.

"We are watching Nadal and everything looks the same as always, but it is not the same. These are perfect conditions for Novak, but not for Nadal. Nadal will always beat the players he is expected to beat. I am counting on Novak vs Nadal final in which, in my opinion, Nadal has no chances in such conditions, on such surface and with Novak who is already "in his head". I went a little too far, but I think Novak is the number one favorite of Roland Garros ", said Ivanišević for Croatian Radio-Television (HRT).

Djokovic is still undefeated in 2020, not counting the disqualification from the US Open because he hit the line judge with a ball between two points.

"He has brought his body, his head and match preparations to perfection. He prepares everything in detail, from tactics, over technique, to nutrition and he sticks to it. It's the most important thing and I personally couldn't stick to half of that, but he knows that all that makes him better player. He wants to constantly progress and it is very interesting to work with him because he wants to be slightly better player every single day, at least 0.00001 percent, but something has to move forward and I have never seen such a personality in my life, in tennis, in sports in general - such a mentality and such a head. But it also helps that he is from Balkan", says the Croat.

Ivanisevic points out how much "Serbian stubbornness" helps Djokovic.

"When his Balkan mentality kicks in every now and then, it makes him even better because the whole world was against him even after this Adria tour, which was phenomenal even after this in New York, but again he decided "now I will show you who I am and what I am". He comes and coldly conquers Rome, not even playing his best tennis. It's something for young tennis players to learn because tennis is not just forehand, backhand and running. All that preparation until you get on the court is important, because when you get on the court then the player makes decisions and depends on himself only".

The former Wimbledon champion also commented on Djokovic's "series" of hitting line judges in the head.

"I'm generally not in favor of disqualification, not because it's Novak, but I think it's too rigorous. Rules that equalize intentionally and unintentionally are stupid. He actually wasn't angry at all. Unfortunately, he hit the judge, she was more in shock, and thank God she's good. The rules are as they are, you either get a warning or they disqualify you. But the good thing is that he is so mentally strong, he is a winner. He showed that in Rome", Ivanisevic said.

Djokovic also hit the referee in Paris, but this time luckily during the points, the day after he proposed abolishing line judges.

"Ha, ha ... It hit him nicely, I think it was even stronger in terms of ball speed, but it was a return, and those things can happen. We watched Cincinnati in New York without line judges. In my opinion, that's the future of tennis. Zero bad calls. Live "hawk eye", the judges on the chair are safer. Unfortunately at the US Open due to the sponsorship agreements of "Ralph Lauren" there had to be line judges. There were many more mistakes so I think for the future, especially on fast surfaces, technology will have to take over and line judges will have to retire".
 
Well, the conditions make it pretty impossible to hit through an good mover with spin, as Thiem has learned against Gaston and Schwartzman.

I am absolutely convinced that, in drier conditions, with livelier balls, he never has to fight 5 sets against Gaston. And probably notches a whole lot more winners against Schwartzman, which would have tipped the match in his favor.

Seeing that Thiem and Nadal play a similar type of game on clay, it's pretty obvious to me that those conditions would favor Djokovic.

wasn't Thiem 2 sets to love?
or during the first two sets it was warm, dry clay and livelier balls, but then it started to rain, balls got replaced and then again in set #5 they went to a dry sunny day with livelier balls?
 
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