Roland Garros DRAW.

cc0509 said:
I am looking at both overall quarters. Federer has Benneteau, Simon and Tsonga while Nadal has Rosol (lol), Zeballos (lol), Wawrinka and Gasquet. Nadal owns Wawrinka and Gasquet. Don't be silly, Nadal has an easy quarter and has only ONE possible challenge in this whole tournament--Djokovic. The rest are a joke for Nadal.
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First of all, I have never said Nadal's quarter is tough but it's certainly not easier than Fed's. Fed's 1st 2 rounds are a free pass (way out of the top 100). Klizan is not. 2nd: Rosol and Zeballos are not likely to get that far. It will be Fognini, then probably Nishikori and Wawrinka (or Gasquet). Fed will have Benneteau, Simon and Tsonga: Not much difference except that Wawa is much better on clay than Tsonga, Fognini is better on clay, younger and higher ranked than Benneteau and Nishi just scored a win vs Fed on clay while Simon is in the worst form of his career. Then comes the semi and all hell breaks loose.
 
veroniquem said:
First of all, I have never said Nadal's quarter is tough but it's certainly not easier than Fed's. Fed's 1st 2 rounds are a free pass (way out of the top 100). Klizan is not. 2nd: Rosol and Zeballos are not likely to get that far. It will be Fognini, then probably Nishikori and Wawrinka (or Gasquet). Fed will have Benneteau, Simon and Tsonga: Not much difference except that Wawa is much better on clay than Tsonga, Fognini is better on clay, younger and higher ranked than Benneteau and Nishi just scored a win vs Fed on clay while Simon is in the worst form of his career. Then comes the semi and all hell breaks loose.
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We will have to agree to disagree on this one. For me Nadal's quarter is easier than Fed's given the difference in their current forms and their age difference.
 
cc0509 said:
We will have to agree to disagree on this one. For me Nadal's quarter is easier than Fed's given the difference in their current forms and their age difference.
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How can ANYTHING be easier than players ranked outside of the top 100 or even top 200? Let's be serious now.
 
veroniquem said:
How can ANYTHING be easier than players ranked outside of the top 100 or even top 200? Let's be serious now.
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Again, I am looking at the overall quarters and Nadal has some of his very favorite pigeons lined-up as potential opponents such as Wawrinka and Gasquet. Federer has winning h2h's against Simon and Tsonga but due to Federer's age and current form they are not locks for him imo. Nadal could play blindfolded against Wawrinka and Gasquet and win. You just wait until Nadal gets older and you will be singing a different tune about the difficulty of his draws. Players he beat like a drum in his prime will become more difficult when he is over 30. I don't think he will be playing when he is over 30 to be honest.
 
-RF- said:
Have you guys seen the weather forecast for Paris?? The final may actually be on wednesday/thursday it's so bad.
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The weather may be a factor in Rafa's bid for the championship this year. Hail has already interrupted practice yesterday(?).


http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/05/25/tennis-open-idUKL3N0E603I20130525

Cold and wet weather could also threaten Nadal, whose devastating top spin works best on dry courts.

Temperatures are set to barely reach 15 degrees Celsius in the first week of the French Open, with rain showers forecast every day from Tuesday onwards, conditions reminiscent of 2009 when the Spaniard lost to Robin Soderling in the fourth round.
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Backbored said:
The weather may be a factor in Rafa's bid for the championship this year. Hail has already interrupted practice yesterday(?).


http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/05/25/tennis-open-idUKL3N0E603I20130525

Cold and wet weather could also threaten Nadal, whose devastating top spin works best on dry courts.

Temperatures are set to barely reach 15 degrees Celsius in the first week of the French Open, with rain showers forecast every day from Tuesday onwards, conditions reminiscent of 2009 when the Spaniard lost to Robin Soderling in the fourth round.
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It's really fantastic news, we'll just have to wait and see what happens (I half jest).
 
Thanks all. For some reason this comes to mind every time I see it.
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I guess I turned it into a tennis chair in my poor swiveled mind.
 
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veroniquem said:
Right, not 190 or 250, exactly my point.
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Oh I see. You mean like Simon Bolelli (111), Edward Schwank (192), Antonio Veic (227), Gianni Mina (655) :lol:, Nicolas Devilder (148 ), and Flavio Cipolla (227). All players Nads has faced in his last 5 RG draws. Come on. Stop your whining. What goes around, comes around.
 
Given that we now know that Federer and Ferrer are due to play 1st round on Sunday, is it possible to guess on which day are they due to play their third and forth round matches?
 
mariecon said:
Oh I see. You mean like Simon Bolelli (111), Edward Schwank (192), Antonio Veic (227), Gianni Mina (655) :lol:, Nicolas Devilder (148 ), and Flavio Cipolla (227). All players Nads has faced in his last 5 RG draws. Come on. Stop your whining. What goes around, comes around.
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Nadal has never got 2 players ranked below 120 in same draw at RG. Nice try, no luck.
 
I’m telling you the weather has busted this tournament wide open. I’m not just saying this as an anti-jinx measure against my favorite player (well maybe just a little). I think a dark horse is entirely possible this year. I’m trying to remember if Ferrer plays well in these conditions.
 
Backbored said:
The weather may be a factor in Rafa's bid for the championship this year. Hail has already interrupted practice yesterday(?).


http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/05/25/tennis-open-idUKL3N0E603I20130525

Cold and wet weather could also threaten Nadal, whose devastating top spin works best on dry courts.

Temperatures are set to barely reach 15 degrees Celsius in the first week of the French Open, with rain showers forecast every day from Tuesday onwards, conditions reminiscent of 2009 when the Spaniard lost to Robin Soderling in the fourth round.
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Who is best on clay when it rains?

Nadal beat Federer in rain in 2011. Nadal beat Djok in rain in 2012.
 
Weather will absolutely effect the results of the tournament.

If it's windy, the only top player who benefits is Federer (who has shown he can adapt well enough to wind). Djokovic certainly can't, Berdych can't, Ferrer is okay if I recall correctly?

If you want to know why Federer can while Djokovic can't, it all comes down to footwork. Federer has great footwork, making many small minute steps to get in the right position before hitting a ball. Djokovic, on the other hand, has great natural flexibility and reflexes that he instinctively uses to hit balls well when conditions are fine. When it's windy, however, balls take irregular paths and can get so far out of reach that he can't hit them or hits them awkwardly while taking a miss-step that he doesn't usually take. Any other pro who does this suffers in the wind.

Rain, on the other hand, is a whole different animal. Rain causes the surface to work more like hardcourt than clay, and so players who excel there will benefit from it while the usual clay-court specialists will fall early. This is the reason Nadal lost a set in the 2012 final - it started raining heavily and Djokovic started turning the game around. Once they finally paused the match and waited for the rain to stop, clearing everything off, Nadal came back and won.
 
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veroniquem said:
Nadal has never got 2 players ranked below 120 in same draw at RG. Nice try, no luck.
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For top players, 1st and 2nd round matches are a mere formality. Only Nadal gets his *** beat in the 2nd round by players ranked outside the top 100.

Nadal has by far the easiest quarter.
 
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WhiskeyEE said:
Nadal is the #5 player in the world. He was gifted his own quarter by Murray's absence and has the easiest quarter of any of the top seeds on top of that.

For top players, 1st and 2nd round matches are a mere formality. Only Nadal gets his *** beat in the 2nd round by players ranked outside the top 100.
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Remember Nadal passed Ferrer in the rankings when he won Rome a week ago? Nadal is ranked 4th. And Nadal is number one in the ATP race which is a true reflection of recent form more than the rankings are.
 
ManOfSteel2013 said:
Remember Nadal passed Ferrer in the rankings when he won Rome a week ago? Nadal is ranked 4th. And Nadal is number one in the ATP race which is a true reflection of recent form more than the rankings are.
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Nadal isn't #1 in ****. He's going to lose early in every tournament post-RG like he always does and end up ranked #4. That's if he even decides to play.
 
MindoverMatter said:
Weather will absolutely effect the results of the tournament.

If it's windy, the only top player who benefits is Federer (who has shown he can adapt well enough to wind). Djokovic certainly can't, Berdych can't, Ferrer is okay if I recall correctly?

If you want to know why Federer can while Djokovic can't, it all comes down to footwork. Federer has great footwork, making many small minute steps to get in the right position before hitting a ball. Djokovic, on the other hand, has great natural flexibility and reflexes that he instinctively uses to hit balls well when conditions are fine. When it's windy, however, balls take irregular paths and can get so far out of reach that he can't hit them or hits them awkwardly while taking a miss-step that he doesn't usually take. Any other pro who does this suffers in the wind.

Rain, on the other hand, is a whole different animal. Rain causes the surface to work more like hardcourt than clay, and so players who excel there will benefit from it while the usual clay-court specialists will fall early. This is the reason Nadal lost a set in the 2012 final - it started raining heavily and Djokovic started turning the game around. Once they finally paused the match and waited for the rain to stop, clearing everything off, Nadal came back and won.
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Yes, overall good post. The weather will play it's part. Nadal is like Superman, or should I say The Man of Steel ;), he gets stronger when he gets energy from the sun. However, colder conditions favor Federer a lot, take a look at how cold weather in Hamburg helped him over the years. Rain and damp conditions suit Djokovic perfectly, especially against Nadal, since he can play Nadal as if it is a hard court.

Nadal is still the man, but the weather enhances or degrades his performance.
 
When conditions are good a lower ranked player has a chance, albeit small, of winning any game. Everybody has an off day. That said at least during the first few days, this place is ripe for an early exit for the top seeds. The chair umpires are going to be under a great deal of pressure to have play continued during drizzle or rain.
 
WhiskeyEE said:
big whoop. He benefits from the fact that the season starts with all of these meaningless clay tournaments. Realistically, he's the #4 or #5 player in the world.
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Well we did have the AO, Indian Well and Miami. That’s off the top of my head, there may have been other HC tournaments.
 
WhiskeyEE said:
big whoop. He benefits from the fact that the season starts with all of these meaningless clay tournaments. Realistically, he's the #4 or #5 player in the world.
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He wouldn't be number one if he didn't win Indian Wells. And imagine where Djok would be if Wawrinka won the 12-10 fifth set at Australia.
 
veroniquem said:
Nadal has never got 2 players ranked below 120 in same draw at RG. Nice try, no luck.
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What exactly is your point? You do realize the draws are supposed to be random right? Therefore no one controls the draw. Correct? So why must you go on and on and on about Fed's draw? For heaven's sake, the man is nearly 32 years old. He's been on the tour for 15 years. Can't you just give the guy a break? Who really cares about those two qualifiers? Look at the rest of his draw - Benneteau, who gave him trouble last year at Wimbledon and just beat him in Rotterdam. Simon, who has given Fed trouble in the past. Tsonga who beat Fed at Wimbledon in 2011 after Fed was up 2 sets. This is not an easy draw for the old man. Why are you getting so bent out of shape because Nads has Djoker and Fed has Ferrer? I really don't get it considering Nads is in his element at RG and is the favourite. You really have to stop and think about what you're going on about. It's totally irrational.
 
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mariecon said:
What exactly is your point? You do realize the draws are supposed to be random right? Therefore no one controls the draw. Correct? So why must you go on and on and on about Fed's draw? For heaven's sake, the man is nearly 32 years old. He's been on the tour for 15 years. Can't you just give the guy a break? Who really cares about those two qualifiers? Look at the rest of his draw - Benneteau, who gave him trouble last year at Wimbledon and just beat him in Rotterdam. Simon, who has given Fed trouble in the past. Tsonga who beat Fed at Wimbledon in 2011 after Fed was up 2 sets. This is not an easy draw for the old man. Why are you getting so bent out of shape because Nads has Djoker and Fed has Ferrer? I really don't get it considering Nads is in his element at RG and is the favourite. You really have to stop and think about what you're going on about. It totally irrational.
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what a bunch of bs, incredible. you would be the first to go ape **** if Djokovic landed with ferrer. just like you were doing prior to draw, on every god damn occasion.
but now, after the draw, you changed the tune and call others out on same crap you did. haven't see such hypocrisy here yet, well done.

also I'll bet my right kidney that this manofsteel is just another idiotic mc made to stir **** up. level of idiocy in his posts are just a dead giveaway.
 
xan said:
what a bunch of bs, incredible. you would be the first to go ape **** if Djokovic landed with ferrer. just like you were doing prior to draw, on every god damn occasion.
but now, after the draw, you changed the tune and call others out on same crap you did. haven't see such hypocrisy here yet, well done.

also I'll bet my right kidney that this manofsteel is just another idiotic mc made to stir **** up. level of idiocy in his posts are just a dead giveaway.
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I've been wondering myself if every Nadal "fan" on here is a fake account meant to stir stuff up. I mean, this forum would be pretty boring if everyone just praised Fed and trashed Nadal, which is what happens in real life.
 
There's just no pleasing RogFed fans. RogFed can't have an easy draw, nor a hard draw. He has to be the annoying Goldilocks bear that gets the best of both worlds. Tennis isn't a fairytale, RogFed. :-P
 
mariecon said:
What exactly is your point? You do realize the draws are supposed to be random right? Therefore no one controls the draw. Correct? So why must you go on and on and on about Fed's draw? For heaven's sake, the man is nearly 32 years old. He's been on the tour for 15 years. Can't you just give the guy a break? Who really cares about those two qualifiers? Look at the rest of his draw - Benneteau, who gave him trouble last year at Wimbledon and just beat him in Rotterdam. Simon, who has given Fed trouble in the past. .
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I've already answered all this. First 2 rounds vs #200 opponents. Seriously? (Both Rafa and Novak have to play their 1st rounds vs well ranked players), Benneteau is as old as Fed and he's much better on hard, Simon is in the worst form of his career. Then on top of everything, Fed gets the cupcake semi. This is as easy a draw as he could possibly have and I have every right to notice that it keeps happening at RG and be vocal about it.
 
veroniquem said:
I've already answered all this. First 2 rounds vs #200 opponents. Seriously? (Both Rafa and Novak have to play their 1st rounds vs well ranked players), Benneteau is as old as Fed and he's much better on hard, Simon is in the worst form of his career. Then on top of everything, Fed gets the cupcake semi. This is as easy a draw as he could possibly have and I have every right to notice that it keeps happening at RG and be vocal about it.
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Go on then. You be vocal about it. Oh so vocal.
 
^Come on, Nadal already had good draws in his career. I mean, Mugray in his draw in RG? His lone USO title? RG 2010? Remove Djokovic and there isn't anybody else either this year either. Because his opponents aren't in the sub zero category of tennis doesn't mean the draws aren't good.
 
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