Rome 2017 final: Novak Djokovic vs Alexander Zverev

Djokovic or Zverev?


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Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
Belated congrats to young Alexander on his 1st Masters title. :) He served extremely well, hit his backhand superbly and was surprisingly composed throughout - a much deserved victory indeed. As for Novak, I haven't seen all of his previous 96 finals but I can't imagine he played as poorly in any of them as he did today. I guess that's just one of the downsides that comes with getting closer to the dreaded 3-0 - a superb performance one day, a stinker the next. Hopefully with Agassi now in his team to shake things up we'll begin to see some much needed improvements but I think RG will be too soon for them to come to fruition, it'll most likely be sometime later in the summer. After all, Rome wasn't built in a day. ;)
The first move that Agassi should make should be to banish Pepe and Marko from all matches!

What was Marko doing during the match today? Did anyone else notice that he had his eyes closed every time the camera was on him? Was he channeling the universe (or at least a lightning strike) to take out Zverev?
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
I guess Djokovic really didn't know what to expect from Zverev since he had never played him before today.

Being coachless didn't help either as he couldn't study Zverev properly to conjure up a winning strategy.
 

K-H

Hall of Fame
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Sasha wins a Masters before Raonic, Kei or Dimitrov. Still in a state of shock, but to all those who tipped him a a future great player, a tip of the hat to y'all.
This is the one time where commentators actually got something right. They tipped Zverev to win big things long before. It was when coric hit the top 50, and he was getting hype, there was a few commies on sky sports tipped Zverev to surpass him and hit the top 10 quickly. He was outside top 70 at that point.
 

Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
I think very highly of Fed's game and have said so many times even predicting his run at AO. Its his own fans that crap all over Fed's game in 2015/2016 and call everything a weakera.o_O I'd be very glad to see Djokoray will get back their game and mix it up too. My Djokovic?:confused: You must have some weakeraerer glasses on if you think I like Djokovic lol (respect what he did and may do, but don't want him to win most of the time.)

I'm just excited to see a player who may step up out of the NextGen and will challenge on grass, plus might be much stronger once we swing back to hard courts. Til now it was just the unreliable Kyrgios that I had any hopes of having legs once hard courts resume. Federer is a strong contender for Wimbledon and the favorite in my mind for US Open.

This is going to be one of the most remarkable years in tennis historically with the NextGen vs Big 5 age gap plus Grigor. Zverev today and with his stats performance is really backing this year up as a great transition year now.:p
So the next logical question: who is the next "young gun" to step up and win something significant?
The money would still be on Thiem but clay is almost over. I think he's still got a shot at the FO despite the beatdown from yesterday. If you can beat Rafa then you can beat anyone.

Kyrgios will have his chances on grass and HC if he screws his head on straight. Zverev may not be finished this year either!
 

Mr Feeny

Hall of Fame
I'm not going to pronounce him an ATG just yet. ATG's don't grow in trees.

For now I'm predicting a career like Delpo could have had without the injuries.

Yeah, I'm not too keen on the premature coronations either. Let's see how his career plays out. Roddick seemed destined for greatness. So were Safin and Hewitt, each of whom straight setted Pete at the US open when they were in their nascent stages.
 

Mr Feeny

Hall of Fame
and this is based on a win over a struggling with his body federer in 16 ?
if fed is healthy, he's a clear fav on grass ...

Let her think what she wants. It sounds more hopeful than anything. But this shouldn't be surprising coming from a Nadal fangirl (oops, fan-middleaged woman ) who's been having a tough time since Federer ravaged her hero in those last 5 games at the Aussie to consolidate his grasp on the GOAT title.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
Let her think what she wants. It sounds more hopeful than anything. But this shouldn't be surprising coming from a Nadal fangirl (oops, fan-middleaged woman ) who's been having a tough time since Federer ravaged her hero in those last 5 games at the Aussie to consolidate his grasp on the GOAT title.
Heh, I know , I have seen her embarrass herself since 2009 (Madrid 09 to be exact)

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Nadalgaenger

G.O.A.T.
I didn't read the whole thread, but is Zverev considered as one of the favorites to win Wimbledon?

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I'm actually looking more forward to the grass season than to RG. I think Federer is the favorite. Depending on his form and health Murray might get going again in 2017. Dimitrov and Kyrgios (if healthy and motivated) are my favorites to reach the final. Raonic could be dangerous and Djokovic is a huge question mark still.

I don't see Zverev get past the QF, which is a great result though.

I don't think anyone is claiming that Zverev is the favorite to win anything, let alone Wimbledon. But he's solidified himself as a Top 10 player and a threat to anyone he faces.

Currently, I'd rank Wimbledon as follows:
1. Fed (significant favorite if his form from earlier this year holds and he hasn't had too much Lindt chocolate)


2. Kyrgios (bold to put him over Murray but Murray has been absolute garbage this year).
3. Dimitrov (has basically been crap as well since the AO but I still think he is poised for a run here).
4. Nadal (he's eager to show people he can still win on grass and is in great form)
5. Zverev
6. Djokovic
7. Raonic
8. Murray
9. Thiem (better on grass than some realize; has a win over Fed on the surface!)
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
That's a very good point. Djokovic absolutely destroys players who hit with pace like Thiem but struggles against consistent baseliners who don't give him pace and length. Simon does it quite well but he fails to finish Djokovic off.
Zverev doesn't hit with pace? He was clobbering the ball pretty darn hard and deep out there.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Absolutely. Think about how much better serves tend to get over time.
The Nadal serve in 2005 vs. the 2010 Nadal serve for example.
Or Federer 2017 vs. Fed 2002 (much better now on serve IMO).
You've been very optimistic on Zverev and I've not been taking a close look at him (but once Murray was out thought he was the favorite to make the final). Just this morning I took a harder look at his stats with everything in from hard courts and wow. Basically this kid was not a servebot last year and now he is with so much room for improvement. Its crazy, but I view clay and grass easily as his best surfaces, but those who go by play style/visual think its hard courts. He'll be there all too soon on hard courts, but its little surprise he's making his breakthroughs on clay and grass. Zverev had one of the best first returns on grass last year.:eek: Very Murray like on that stat on grass.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Brilliant stuff.

You were spot on in many of these points. I think points 3 and 6 were clearly in evidence in the win today.

I also find it prophetic that you included the angry Nole/ball boy meme. He got a warning for snapping something vulgar off in Serbian, right? A Meme would be greatly appreciated if you can find it!
Haha. If I hadn't sat down and thought about the match my instinct was Nole would crush him after the Thiem job in the SF. I watched that match and did not think Thiem was that far off on his game. I did this same analyis for Thiem vs. Nadal and picked Thiem.:D I just looked at Zed's stats a few hours before the match and freaked on those. Those stats showed Zverev's serve game had taken off in 2017. I suspect he'll be winning around 69% of serve points when hard courts resume and that gives him a shot even at the US Open. His game has gone from much more grinding oriented to servebot efficiency which is just huge at majors.

I really thought Nole had found some very high level after Thiem match and his over the top performance with the stares and everything. It looks like he's improved to about where he was on hard courts in 2017 which is a minor contender with a chance with the right draw for a major. The meme was to show Nole had some fire in his belly (I'm fine with him beating the elderly, children, and small animials, just play better.:D)
 

SoBad

G.O.A.T.
You've been very optimistic on Zverev and I've not been taking a close look at him (but once Murray was out thought he was the favorite to make the final). Just this morning I took a harder look at his stats with everything in from hard courts and wow. Basically this kid was not a servebot last year and now he is with so much room for improvement. Its crazy, but I view clay and grass easily as his best surfaces, but those who go by play style/visual think its hard courts. He'll be there all too soon on hard courts, but its little surprise he's making his breakthroughs on clay and grass. Zverev had one of the best first returns on grass last year.:eek: Very Murray like on that stat on grass.
Stocky German veteran still holding his own on clay.
 

abmk

Bionic Poster
On hard courts this year Zverev is 87.2% and Feddy is a fine 90.9%. In 2016 Zverev was 80.7% on hard courts. That's alarming improvement of 6.5% on hard courts. Zverev is improving by the week and he just did hold serve with no break points against a fine clay court returner.:D In 2016 Zverev Zed was 82.5% on grass so he'll probably be nipping around 90% this year with a betterer return game than Federer.:p

@veroniquem check it out.;)

Fed is 91% and 26% on HCs

Zverev is 87% and 20% on HCs.

Better returner ? Really ?

And if you are just talking about grass, fed was injury affected last year and z did not go deep at wimby .

And improvement in service games % isn't linear ..it gets tougher ..
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
So the next logical question: who is the next "young gun" to step up and win something significant?
The money would still be on Thiem but clay is almost over. I think he's still got a shot at the FO despite the beatdown from yesterday. If you can beat Rafa then you can beat anyone.

Kyrgios will have his chances on grass and HC if he screws his head on straight. Zverev may not be finished this year either!
Thiem is nowhere close to taking off on hard courts. Perhaps he'll maintain his momentum further than last year after clay season. I'll be eager to watch his grass game and hope he hoovers up 500 points and title at Hamburg. He's a long way away on stats, but his better serving will definitely help and should now have the upper body strength at his height to make a marked improvement later in 2017. Pouille is not there yet by the same logic. Its the towers Kyrgios and Zverev who can do some damage on hard court as the high bounces with the Poly string game won't test them as much as the shorter Thiem and Pouille.
 

YellowFedBetter

Hall of Fame
Watched bits of this tournament here and there, was glad to see Thiem continue his success only to be crushed of course, and not really surprised to see Zverev win.

That said, while I don't hate him and he's a heck of a player, I just can't warm to Sasha for some reason I can't quite put my finger on. I have a feeling I will be getting VERY sick of him winning all the time before long.

Btw I will comment on the Djokovic/Agassi soon when I get a chance.
 

Rozroz

G.O.A.T.
Djokovic is a big pooosi.
whenever he's not in control,
he starts with his nonsense.
at least he's a gent at the net.
 

TripleATeam

G.O.A.T.
Congrats to the herald of the next generation! Zverev plays well and is unintimidated. Best of luck to him at RG, but we didn't see the Novak that played yesterday here again today.

Hope to see that Novak return for a title defense at RG. Hope Zverev proves his top 10 ranking is no fluke at RG, too.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Fed is 91% and 26% on HCs

Zverev is 87% and 20% on HCs.

Better returner ? Really ?

And if you are just talking about grass, fed was injury affected last year and z did not go deep at wimby .

And improvement in service games % isn't linear ..it gets tougher ..
Oh I think Fed is US Open favorite for sure, but Sascha is getting into servebot territory with enough return to make him a threat. Think of what a grinder Zverev was much of last year and now he's going to start mowing through the draw with quick match times at the majors. That play style gives him so much more effective stamina than a player like Thiem with a physical playing style. I really think we could see Zverev going deep at majors all too suddenly.

I am troubled by the Zverev return game on hard courts this year. Last Fall Zverev had a stunning run of returning starting at the US Open. I don't have games easy, but tennis abstract had him from US Open through to his defeat by Ferrer last Fall with 40.6% return points won which is stunning and much better than 2017 at 35.6% or all of 2016 at 37.1%. Some of this may be the slightly faster court conditions this year and he simply may have had the luck to not hit a lot of big servers in the Fall. 20% on return games at this young of an age is ok, but he must improve because once he hits 25 or so the return game will start dropping and 20% on return games is marginal for a slam winner as I'm sure you're aware (Roddick;).)

Grass may have the same stat anomaly as a short period like Fall 2016, but Zverev did very, very well. Zverev was about fifth on first return stats winning 31.8% (Fed last year 28.0% and 2015 was a top notch 30.5% of points. Zverev broke 24.5% of the time in 2016 on grass, Fed 18.7% in 2016 and 21.3% in 2015. Based on his hard court return progress (pretty small) I doubt Zverev improves and he probably drops as 24.5% on the high side for only 8 matches.

Zed could easily get in the 91%/21% range on grass games this year would be my guess. Fed in 2015 was 95.8%/21.3% on games. If they meet on grass, it would boil down to who can break who. Zverev is certainly going to give most anyone a match on grass this year.;)

On clay impressive stuff by Zverev as Raonic and Isner had been hard to break this year.:eek:
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
If Zverev can make two QF at RG and Wimby, I'll be happy. That should keep him firmly in the top 10, as well as help him qualify for WTF in London. I expect good things from Zverev at US Open this year.
Thats a reasonable wish!
Where do you have highest hopes for? RG or Wimbledon? I got a bit hyped up about his chances going deep at AELTC after having a closer look at his grass play ;) But first he has to do RG of course:p, hope he gets a good draw. Who would think he would win his first master on clay? Not even himself:D
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
If Zverev can make two QF at RG and Wimby, I'll be happy. That should keep him firmly in the top 10, as well as help him qualify for WTF in London. I expect good things from Zverev at US Open this year.
Haha. Now you're going all soft and conservative on us.:D I'm sure my stats have to be a little bit of too good to be true, so QFs is a laudible goal. It will really come down to draw. Once Murray was out of the way, Zed really had very winnable matches in Rome all the way to the final based on head to heads and expected results with Raonic (Zed breaks, Raonic not as much.) Stats show trends and improvement, but we won't know anything until we get the draw and likely matchups for Zverev. Clay and grass are surfaces more for the young so be bold.o_O
 

Zebrev

Hall of Fame
Thats a reasonable wish!
Where do you have highest hopes for? RG or Wimbledon? I got a bit hyped up about his chances going deep at AELTC after having a closer look at his grass play ;) But first he has to do RG of course:p, hope he gets a good draw. Who would think he would win his first master on clay? Not even himself:D

If he makes a Semi I think it will be on Grass rather than clay. I was extremely depressed when he lost to Berdych last year, especially after taking it to 4 sets. Of course, the weather was a big factor at Wimby last year, I think he played his first 2 matches over 4 days and was too tired from all the warming up.

The sky is the limit for Zverev, but only if the results keep going positive. If he makes a QF at RG, that sets him up for a Semi at Wimby. Alternatively, if he gets knocked out early on at RG, it might mean a SF run at Wimby is too much this year.

It's funny, I was more confident before Zverev had this title, LOL.
 

Zebrev

Hall of Fame
Haha. Now you're going all soft and conservative on us.:D I'm sure my stats have to be a little bit of too good to be true, so QFs is a laudible goal. It will really come down to draw. Once Murray was out of the way, Zed really had very winnable matches in Rome all the way to the final based on head to heads and expected results with Raonic (Zed breaks, Raonic not as much.) Stats show trends and improvement, but we won't know anything until we get the draw and likely matchups for Zverev. Clay and grass are surfaces more for the young so be bold.o_O

I don't doubt your number crunching @Meles. :) I still think Zverev can cause damage, but it's the consistency he is lacking. I was actually surprised that he managed to go the whole match against Djoko without a major lapse. That shows he is maturing, especially in big matches. I just hope he can make it through the early rounds at RG, and builds up a head of steam again. :D:cool:
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Haha. Now you're going all soft and conservative on us.:D I'm sure my stats have to be a little bit of too good to be true, so QFs is a laudible goal. It will really come down to draw. Once Murray was out of the way, Zed really had very winnable matches in Rome all the way to the final based on head to heads and expected results with Raonic (Zed breaks, Raonic not as much.) Stats show trends and improvement, but we won't know anything until we get the draw and likely matchups for Zverev. Clay and grass are surfaces more for the young so be bold.o_O
Should almost start a Wimbledon thread already :p
Im thinking the draw more important for him in RG than Wimbledon. He is more vulnerable to Rafa, Thiem on clay.

Thats not the same issue in Wimbledon. He should have a better shot at Rafa in Wimbledon. Kyrgios and Andy not seem to be there. Not sure about Kyrgios injury now, he can suddenly play good and he loves grass. Berdy he should be able to take this year, Zverev stronger now and return power with interest. Andy-- hard to tell, but doesnt look good at all now. Raonic, Cilic, Isner whatever he has proven he can take on quite comfortable. Novak-- Zverev has the game for the riddle of Novak. Then there is Federer-- Federer has to have a good day to beat Zverev, he doesnt beat Zverev exactly blindfolded on grass, Federer can have mediocre days, but he has been great lately and for sure he will be well prepared for Zverev. Dimitrov could maybe be a problem if Dimi has a good day. Nishikori and Wawrinka- not in my radar at all for any slams besides maybe USO.
 

Zebrev

Hall of Fame
Should almost start a Wimbledon thread already :p
Im thinking the draw more important for him in RG than Wimbledon. He is more vulnerable to Rafa, Thiem on clay.

Thats not the same issue in Wimbledon. He should have a better shot at Rafa in Wimbledon. Kyrgios and Andy not seem to be there. Not sure about Kyrgios injury now, he can suddenly play good and he loves grass. Berdy he should be able to take this year, Zverev stronger now and return power with interest. Andy-- hard to tell, but doesnt look good at all now. Raonic, Cilic, Isner whatever he has proven he can take on quite comfortable. Novak-- Zverev has the game for the riddle of Novak. Then there is Federer-- Federer has to have a good day to beat Zverev, he doesnt beat Zverev exactly blindfolded on grass, Federer can have mediocre days, but he has been great lately and for sure he will be well prepared for Zverev. Dimitrov could maybe be a problem if Dimi has a good day. Nishikori and Wawrinka- not in my radar at all for any slams besides maybe USO.

That's a very good point. Many good grass court players are suffering at the moment, which could leave the door open for Sascha.
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Should almost start a Wimbledon thread already :p
Im thinking the draw more important for him in RG than Wimbledon. He is more vulnerable to Rafa, Thiem on clay.

Thats not the same issue in Wimbledon. He should have a better shot at Rafa in Wimbledon. Kyrgios and Andy not seem to be there. Not sure about Kyrgios injury now, he can suddenly play good and he loves grass. Berdy he should be able to take this year, Zverev stronger now and return power with interest. Andy-- hard to tell, but doesnt look good at all now. Raonic, Cilic, Isner whatever he has proven he can take on quite comfortable. Novak-- Zverev has the game for the riddle of Novak. Then there is Federer-- Federer has to have a good day to beat Zverev, he doesnt beat Zverev exactly blindfolded on grass, Federer can have mediocre days, but he has been great lately and for sure he will be well prepared for Zverev. Dimitrov could maybe be a problem if Dimi has a good day. Nishikori and Wawrinka- not in my radar at all for any slams besides maybe USO.
Too early for Wimbledon. I want to see if Dimitrov and Pouille can get something going at RG. They will be no joke on grass. Pouille really had the stats after Monte Carlo through Budapest run (better than Zverev). Cilic looks dangerous. Probably Raonic's last chance for glory on grass as his return game has planed off and Kyrgios/Zverev will be too much before too long. I won't be crushed if Zverev gets dumped R16 at RG (might draw Thiem) because he's almost sure to add Stuttgart and then we have the possibility of up to three matches with Fed.:eek::D Expecting Dimitrov to be a massive threat this year especially with the aging of the big 5.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm not going to pronounce him an ATG just yet. ATG's don't grow in trees.

For now I'm predicting a career like Delpo could have had without the injuries.

I agree that saying Zverev will be an ATG is way too premature but he should definitely have a better career than Del Potro provided he has no serious injuries. He already has a Masters 1000 at age 20 and Del Potro has none at age 28. For me, Thiem seems like a player who will have more of a Del Potro type career. We'll have to wait and see.

I understand but Z was nowhere close to being a champion last year. Let's see if Fed can beat him from now on ;)

As for you, I know you have to always have your wagon hitched to some winning player but let's relax on the "let's see if Fed can beat Zverev from now on predictions!" I agree with you that Zverev(and other players such as Kyrgios,etc.) could pose a challenge for Federer at Wimbledon but IF Federer can continue playing in his AO/IW/Miami form he will definitely be a favorite to win Wimbledon.
 

cc0509

Talk Tennis Guru
You know, I really want Djokovic to find his form again. I don't like to see any player in poor form... it can make tennis cringe worthy... But...

The Djokovic fans on this board are so bad that it almost makes Djokovic's poor form worth it. Just to see their bipolar mood shifts go from.. "He is horrible.." to... "He's back! Djokovic 2.0 rebooted! Watch out for the next winner of Roland Garros! He's peaking perfectly!"... to..."Ugh... he is horrible"...

Seeing Djokovic fanboys go into bipolar fits is truly one of the most enjoyable things on TTW.

Bwhahaha! I couldn't agree more. After Djokovic loss after loss, it's looking like a few stray tumbleweeds in the Mojave desert as many of the Djokovic fanatics have disappeared thankfully.

But I also agree that it's never nice to see an ATG struggle because as tennis fans we all know the feeling about having our favorites struggle at some point. I think Djokovic should be able to find some kind of decent form again, not to dominate the way he once did, but to win some more big titles.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Too early for Wimbledon. I want to see if Dimitrov and Pouille can get something going at RG. They will be no joke on grass. Pouille really had the stats after Monte Carlo through Budapest run (better than Zverev). Cilic looks dangerous. Probably Raonic's last chance for glory on grass as his return game has planed off and Kyrgios/Zverev will be too much before too long. I won't be crushed if Zverev gets dumped R16 at RG (might draw Thiem) because he's almost sure to add Stuttgart and then we have the possibility of up to three matches with Fed.:eek::D Expecting Dimitrov to be a massive threat this year especially with the aging of the big 5.

Did you know Pouille is half Finnish(for real the country)? He may speak Swedish as well as french, his mum is from the Swedish speaking part of Finland. Is he injury free now? Wonder if Pouille and Dimitrov playing Queens or Halle. Dimitrov -- I dont mind him going to the final at all in Wimbledon, dont have that high hopes for him in RG as Wimbledon.
Edit- A final in Wimbledon with Kyrgios and Dimitrov would be fun :D But very far fetched :oops:
 

Mike Sams

G.O.A.T.
The first move that Agassi should make should be to banish Pepe and Marko from all matches!

What was Marko doing during the match today? Did anyone else notice that he had his eyes closed every time the camera was on him? Was he channeling the universe (or at least a lightning strike) to take out Zverev?
Nah, he's just a bit peeved that God dealt him a bad hand in terms of talent and his oldest brother getting all the glory, talent, money and attention. Sucks to be Marko. Probably sucks more to be Djordje who talked big a few years back that he'd surpass his oldest brother and yet, almost 22, and still gotten nowhere. Meanwhile guys his age or younger are already competing on the main tour for the big titles (Zverev, Kyrgios, etc).
 

Meles

Bionic Poster
Did you know Pouille is half Finnish(for real the country)? He may speak Swedish as well as french, his mum is from the Swedish speaking part of Finland. Is he injury free now? Wonder if Pouille and Dimitrov playing Queens or Halle. Dimitrov -- I dont mind him going to the final at all in Wimbledon, dont have that high hopes for him in RG as Wimbledon.
Edit- A final in Wimbledon with Kyrgios and Dimitrov would be fun :D But very far fetched :oops:
Pouille Halle with Feddy Cool.:D Dimi is at Queens. Hoping the entire NextGen wildcards into Stuttgart with Fed.:p

Don't tell @I Am Finnish that.;) I knew.

I bet the QFs and SFs at RG will be amazing this year hehe.:p
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Pouille Halle with Feddy Cool.:D Dimi is at Queens. Hoping the entire NextGen wildcards into Stuttgart with Fed.:p

Don't tell @I Am Finnish that.;) I knew.

I bet the QFs and SFs at RG will be amazing this year hehe.:p

Yeah I think you have a hunch for which players I would like to get to those finals :p They better get there :oops: At least some of them.
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
Happy for Z , finally someone from the new gen wins something big. Remains to be seen what he can do in the best of 5 at slams though.

Hope he doesn't relax now just satisfied with this title.
 

sbengte

G.O.A.T.
I guess Djokovic really didn't know what to expect from Zverev since he had never played him before today.

Being coachless didn't help either as he couldn't study Zverev properly to conjure up a winning strategy.

Also didn't Novak play *twice* on Saturday prior to the Sunday final ?

Does someone know the exact times when he finished the Delpo match, played the Thiem match and faced Zverev on Sunday ? Wasn't it something like thrice in 30 odd hours ? He isn't 24 anymore and this schedule would be tough even on a 24 year old. Don't give me the 'he only played one set vs Delpo and finished off Thiem in under an hour' etc...It is not just about the physical tiredness but the mental exhaustion from playing back to back.

Funny there isn't even a mention of that whereas if it were someone like Nadal who had to play with this schedule, the tired/injured excuse making would start preemptively from Saturday.
 

TheGhostOfAgassi

Talk Tennis Guru
Lets go back to the good ole days:D Ferrer Robredo QF anyone, anyone? Ferrer vs Nadal. Berdy vs Youzhny? You like, no?
Too bad Tommy Haas isnt there :oops: I saw him at Wimbledon I think in 2014 or 13, he looked done already then:eek:
Ferrer Rafa-- feel almost sick just thinking of it. Thiem Rafa on the other hand :D With my luck I end up watching Berdy again for the 4th time :rolleyes:
 
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