Rome 2017 final: Novak Djokovic vs Alexander Zverev

[cc0509]

If Thiem loses in the locker room it will be because Djokovic is starting to come back, which may already be happening.

A lot of people may be making a huge mistake by assuming Novak is not going to bounce back, and that includes me...

No, Thiem made comments to the media that Novak is a bad match for him and he doesn't like to play him,etc. All of that may be true but perhaps he should tone that insecurity down for public consumption! I don't think he feels he can beat any version of Novak.

As for Novak finding his way back, I completely agree that he will do so. Haven't I been harping on that for months when many of his "fans" and non-fans said he was done and brainwashed by Pepe? I'm just doubtful that he will be able to do it in time to win the FO.

 

[Meles]

Yes, the draw will be important but one thing is for sure, your hero Thiem won't beat Djokovic if they meet. Thiem loses in the locker room before he steps onto court with Djokovic. He clearly doesn't believe he can beat Djokovic according to comments.

 

[Chanwan]

Shame. Djoko serves stats actually pretty weak in 2011, so you're blowing some serious smoke comparing those numbers with 2017.

You are backing geriatrics on clay, not historically the best move with a crop of strong young contenders.

I'm backing Rafa, not Djoko. But I believe more in Djoko (especially with Agassi in his corner) and Wawa as a potential winner than Thiem, Zverev, Goffin, Nishikori and whoever else of the "young" guns you're gonna throw at the table.

 

[Chanwan]

LOL. Crude stats work. Zverev is a huge threat until we return to hard courts and then the party will be over. He might end up at 52.5% on hard court points won if he finishes season well.

Crude stats for one tournament is insanity. The winner will almost always look good.

 

[Nadalgaenger]

If Thiem loses in the locker room it will be because Djokovic is starting to come back, which may already be happening.

A lot of people may be making a huge mistake by assuming Novak is not going to bounce back, and that includes me...

As long as Pepe reigns in Novak's mind he won't be winning much on court

 

[Gary Duane]

As long as Pepe reigns in Novak's mind he won't be winning much on court

I won't be betting against Novak at RG this year. I think Nadal is the favorite (who doesn't?), but I've been looking at Novak's record on clay.

He started out with four three setters in a row, losing one. Out in a QF.

Then out in a SF, to Nadal.

Then out last week in a F, Zverev.

Even with the final loss, he won 62% of his games in Rome.

This is the guy who has beaten Nadal 7 times on clay, easily the best that anyone has done against him. Nadal's most dangerous opponent on clay.

Beware of underestimating this guy. He's still an ATG with 12 slams. If he is healthy, if he wants to win again, don't count him out...

 

[Nadalgaenger]

I won't be betting against Novak at RG this year. I think Nadal is the favorite (who doesn't?), but I've been looking at Novak's record on clay.

He started out with four three setters in a row, losing one. Out in a QF.

Then out in a SF, to Nadal.

Then out last week in a F, Zverev.

Even with the final loss, he won 62% of his games in Rome.

This is the guy who has beaten Nadal 7 times on clay, easily the best that anyone has done against him. Nadal's most dangerous opponent on clay.

Beware of underestimating this guy. He's still an ATG with 12 slams. If he is healthy, if he wants to win again, don't count him out...

Absolutely.

He looked extremely good against Thiem obviously and strong against everyone except Zverev.

As with many declining players, the key issue appears to be consistency. The SF against Thiem was as good as anything he's ever produced, but he couldn't put that kind of performance together the next day.

Can he string together big matches against the likes of Wawrinka, Zverev, and Nadal at the end of a slam? I guess we'll have to see.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

No, Thiem made comments to the media that Novak is a bad match for him and he doesn't like to play him,etc. All of that may be true but perhaps he should tone that insecurity down for public consumption! I don't think he feels he can beat any version of Novak.

As for Novak finding his way back, I completely agree that he will do so. Haven't I been harping on that for months when many of his "fans" and non-fans said he was done and brainwashed by Pepe? I'm just doubtful that he will be able to do it in time to win the FO.

I wouldnt read so much into that from Thiem. He also said he had no chance against Rafa and beat him 2 weeks later.

 

[Gary Duane]

Absolutely.

He looked extremely good against Thiem obviously and strong against everyone except Zverev.

As with many declining players, the key issue appears to be consistency. The SF against Thiem was as good as anything he's ever produced, but he couldn't put that kind of performance together the next day.

Can he string together big matches against the likes of Wawrinka, Zverev, and Nadal at the end of a slam? I guess we'll have to see.

I don't know how Wawrinka can possibly string together 7 matches after they year he has had. I just can never figure this guy out. He is unique.

 

[zagor]

I don't know how Wawrinka can possibly string together 7 matches after they year he has had. I just can never figure this guy out. He is unique.

Stan's not hard to figure out, he's about winning slams and collecting appearance fees outside them. One of the plausible reasons for this is that he's such a late bloomer that he doesn't want to waste energy giving it all for the whole calendar year.

If you judge his year by those standards it hasn't been bad at all, he was a set away from reaching AO final (and that against his toughest possible match-up on HC).

Since 2014 he has been the 2nd best slam performer after Novak. He had one bad loss in 2014 FO to GGL but other than that it usually took a great performance to stop him or he ended up winning the tourney.

 

[Gary Duane]

Stan's not hard to figure out, he's about winning slams and collecting appearance fees outside them. One of the plausible reasons for this is that he's such a late bloomer that he doesn't want to waste energy giving it all for the whole calendar year.

If you judge his year by those standards it hasn't been bad at all, he was a set away from reaching AO final (and that against his toughest possible match-up on HC).

Since 2014 he has been the 2nd best slam performer after Novak. He had one bad loss in 2014 FO to GGL but other than that it usually took a great performance to stop him or he ended up winning the tourney.

I need to run all his career numbers. He may have the greatest difference of the OE between non-major and major results.

 

[zagor]

I need to run all his career numbers. He may have the greatest difference of the OE between non-major and major results.

Don't think there will be much difference between them prior to 2013/2014. He was a 4th round type of player at slams before then.

Besides, what about Sampras?

 

[veroniquem]

Crude stats for one tournament is insanity. The winner will almost always look good.

Zverev has the best winning % after Nadal this year on clay. His overall clay stats are solid. Not that it means much since Nadal is so far ahead.
Imo, Nadal is a lock-in for the trophy this year. Which will be a nice climax to his career with Toni at RG for the last time and all. Looking forward to it!!
Also hoping that Djoko wins a few matches, so I can get a lot of Agassi coverage

 

[Meles]

Zverev has the best winning % after Nadal this year on clay. His overall clay stats are solid. Not that it means much since Nadal is so far ahead.
Imo, Nadal is a lock-in for the trophy this year. Which will be a nice climax to his career with Toni at RG for the last time and all. Looking forward to it!!
Also hoping that Djoko wins a few matches, so I can get a lot of Agassi coverage

I think I'm at least picking your baby to go to the final in league.

 

[Meles]

No, Thiem made comments to the media that Novak is a bad match for him and he doesn't like to play him,etc. All of that may be true but perhaps he should tone that insecurity down for public consumption! I don't think he feels he can beat any version of Novak.

As for Novak finding his way back, I completely agree that he will do so. Haven't I been harping on that for months when many of his "fans" and non-fans said he was done and brainwashed by Pepe? I'm just doubtful that he will be able to do it in time to win the FO.

 

[Gary Duane]

Don't think there will be much difference between them prior to 2013/2014. He was a 4th round type of player at slams before then.

Besides, what about Sampras?

You probably did not see my list. Rosewall and Sampras at the top for difference, I think.

 

[veroniquem]

I think I'm at least picking your baby to go to the final in league.

Fingers crossed
A first slam final would be amazing!

 

[cc0509]

I think I'm at least picking your baby to go to the final in league.

I doubt it. I want to see new blood make finals and win tournaments but I think people may be getting a bit too carried away with Zverev. He won Rome which is great but this is the FO, best of five and he has a tough quarter. If he can get to the final, I'll really be impressed.

 

[Meles]

I doubt it. I want to see new blood make finals and win tournaments but I think people may be getting a bit too carried away with Zverev. He won Rome which is great but this is the FO, best of five and he has a tough quarter. If he can get to the final, I'll really be impressed.

Got a feeling he'll bot his way through in 3 sets, 2 hours per match. 3 and 4 hour matches will take something out of him.

 

[Meles]

I doubt it. I want to see new blood make finals and win tournaments but I think people may be getting a bit too carried away with Zverev. He won Rome which is great but this is the FO, best of five and he has a tough quarter. If he can get to the final, I'll really be impressed.

Unless you believe in Muzziahs and Stanicorns. Zed's got the draw. Other than Murray (whose game is awful right now) I don't see a huge roadblock at RG:
R1: Verdasco - just straight setted in Madrid, but maybe rain will slow things down to range where Dasco can get into rallies without spraying UEs.
R2: Herbert - Zed got him in 4 sets last year at RG
R32: Cuevas - Alex was killing him in their first set at Madrid and was a bit gassed after winning Munich. Should be straight sets. Cuevas is a bit of a servebot on clay with poor return most of the time.
R16: Nishikori/Querrey - Mischa just took out Kei who is similar to Djokovic (baseline dominator) Sam is another servebot who Zed is undefeated against
QF: Murray/Delpo/Berdych/Isner - Murray and Delpo not looking good at all. Sascha just beat the other two in Rome so liking his chances (mauled Isner in 3rd set)
SF: Wawrinka - Zed 2-0 and playing much better than their last match. Stan is a bit of a clay bot like Cuevas with shakey returning.
F: Rafa/Thiem/Djoko/Goffin - Rafa is the only one to fear and most likely to come through. Sascha and Thiem playing much better this year, but Zverev improved more and has always taken sets. Thiem likely on fumes if he makes it. Zed owns Goffin and Djoko (baseline dominators)

Zverev wins cc

 

[abmk]

^^^lol, dream on, if Stan reaches semi, it means he is in good enough form and will beat zverev..2 wins in non-slam events don't mean much in a slam encounter vs Stan.

I don't djoko is going to lose in RG final, if he makes it there. One win does not make ownage.

Thiem is also a better CCer than Z.

 

[Meles]

^^^lol, dream on, if Stan reaches semi, it means he is in good enough form and will beat zverev..2 wins in non-slam events don't mean much in a slam encounter vs Stan.

I don't djoko is going to lose in RG final, if he makes it there. One win does not make ownage.

Thiem is also a better CCer than Z.

You believe in Stanicorns? I don't think Thiem can break the current Zedbot model, so hard to see him winning. I believe in Stanicorns when Djokovic is involved, but that's about it.

 

[cc0509]

Unless you believe in Muzziahs and Stanicorns. Zed's got the draw. Other than Murray (whose game is awful right now) I don't see a huge roadblock at RG:
R1: Verdasco - just straight setted in Madrid, but maybe rain will slow things down to range where Dasco can get into rallies without spraying UEs.
R2: Herbert - Zed got him in 4 sets last year at RG
R32: Cuevas - Alex was killing him in their first set at Madrid and was a bit gassed after winning Munich. Should be straight sets. Cuevas is a bit of a servebot on clay with poor return most of the time.
R16: Nishikori/Querrey - Mischa just took out Kei who is similar to Djokovic (baseline dominator) Sam is another servebot who Zed is undefeated against
QF: Murray/Delpo/Berdych/Isner - Murray and Delpo not looking good at all. Sascha just beat the other two in Rome so liking his chances (mauled Isner in 3rd set)
SF: Wawrinka - Zed 2-0 and playing much better than their last match. Stan is a bit of a clay bot like Cuevas with shakey returning.
F: Rafa/Thiem/Djoko/Goffin - Rafa is the only one to fear and most likely to come through. Sascha and Thiem playing much better this year, but Zverev improved more and has always taken sets. Thiem likely on fumes if he makes it. Zed owns Goffin and Djoko (baseline dominators)

Zverev wins cc

Ok buddy, if you say so. I'm doubtful Zverev will come through that quarter. Let's see.

 

[abmk]

You believe in Stanicorns? I don't think Thiem can break the current Zedbot model, so hard to see him winning. I believe in Stanicorns when Djokovic is involved, but that's about it.

Stan beat Nadal, Berdych in AO 14; fed, Tsonga in RG 15; delpo, nishi in USO 16 apart from djoko.

Thiem can of course break Z on clay, Z is not karlovic or isner.

 

[Meles]

Stan beat Nadal, Berdych in AO 14; fed, Tsonga in RG 15; delpo, nishi in USO 16 apart from djoko.

Thiem can of course break Z on clay, Z is not karlovic or isner.

But the Zedbot is a far, far superior model. Versus the Zedbot, Isner won only 65% of his serve points. Zedbot won 79.3% of serve points. Isner usually holds his opponent to 73.6%. The Zedbot has beaten all bots in 2017. Players like Berdych, Nishikori, and Tsonga are annoying insects for the Zedbot. All bots shake in fear in the presence of the Zebot who has never lost to a bot in 2017.

Now the Stanibot on clay is a very impressive model, but it has a poor record in general against other bots:
19/2017 R16 Rome Masters Clay John Isner Stan Wawrinka 7-6(1) 6-4 3.50 - 1.30
45/2011 R64 Paris Masters Hard John Isner Stan Wawrinka 6-7(3) 7-5 7-6(5) 2.32 - 1.67
18/2010 SF Belgrade Clay John Isner Stan Wawrinka 7-5 7-5 3.41 - 1.38
41/2009 R32 Tokyo Outdoor Hard Stan Wawrinka John Isner 6-4 6-4 1.67 - 2.38
30/2016 QF Canadian Masters Hard Stan Wawrinka Kevin Anderson 6-1 6-3 1.40 - 3.00
36/2015 QF US Open Hard Stan Wawrinka Kevin Anderson 6-4 6-4 6-0 1.71 - 2.10
25/2015 R16 Queen's Grass Kevin Anderson Stan Wawrinka 7-6(4) 7-6(11) 2.84 - 1.49
44/2014 R16 Paris Masters Hard Kevin Anderson Stan Wawrinka 6-7(2) 7-5 7-6(3) 2.56 - 1.60
32/2014 R16 Canadian Masters Hard Kevin Anderson Stan Wawrinka 7-6(8) 7-5 3.05 - 1.45
10/2014 R16 Indian Wells Masters Hard Kevin Anderson Stan Wawrinka 7-6(1) 4-6 6-1 4.70 - 1.24
3/2016 R16 Australian Open Hard Milos Raonic Stan Wawrinka 6-4 6-3 5-7 4-6 6-3 2.40 - 1.57
7/2015 SF Rotterdam I Hard Stan Wawrinka Milos Raonic 7-6(3) 7-6(7) 1.75 - 2.23
10/2017 F Indian Wells Masters Hard ****** Stan Wawrinka 6-4 7-5 1.50 - 2.62
3/2017 SF Australian Open Hard ****** Stan Wawrinka 7-5 6-3 1-6 4-6 6-3 1.67 - 2.20
46/2015 SF ATP World Tour Finals I Hard ****** Stan Wawrinka 7-5 6-3 1.13 - 5.95
36/2015 SF US Open Hard ****** Stan Wawrinka 6-4 6-3 6-1 1.36 - 3.10
21/2015 QF FO - RG Clay Stan Wawrinka ****** 6-4 6-3 7-6(4) 3.08 - 1.45
19/2015 SF Rome Masters Clay ****** Stan Wawrinka 6-4 6-2 1.60 - 2.55
45/2014 SF ATP World Tour Finals Hard ****** Stan Wawrinka 4-6 7-5 7-6(6) 1.18 - 5.90
26/2014 QF Wimbledon Grass ****** Stan Wawrinka 3-6 7-6(5) 6-4 6-4 1.40 - 3.35

Zedbot beats all including the mighty ****** recently in Hobart and:
24/2016 SF Halle Grass Alexander Zverev Roger Federer 7-6(4) 5-7 6-3 3.75 - 1.28
18/2016 R32 Rome Masters Clay Roger Federer Alexander Zverev 6-3 7-5 1.28 - 3.55

The ****** has wisely retired from clay with a new and superior model hoovering up everything in its path in 2017. Only players with a masterful first return game have hope against the Zedbot. Slamimal will be slammed by the Zedbot. Thieminator will struggle mightly with Zedbot, so even for him the reign of the Zedbot is an unholy terror on clay. Only a Muzziah resurrected can stop such a terror from reaching the final. "strange"

 

[BeatlesFan]

I'm backing Rafa, not Djoko. But I believe more in Djoko (especially with Agassi in his corner)

I think lots of people are way over-reacting to the Agassi-Djoker pairing. Agassi just arrived in Paris on Wednesday and he won't even stay the entire FO with Djoker. How in the world can Andre make one shred of difference to Djoker's game in such a short amount of time? It's impossible. Did McEnroe miraculously change Raonic's game in the couple of weeks they worked together at Wimbledon?

Lendl worked with Murray for months before they really started seeing big results. I think Andre and Djoker are so different culturally and in general that this pairing won't last long. We'll see!

 

[Poisoned Slice]

Unless you believe in Muzziahs and Stanicorns. Zed's got the draw. Other than Murray (whose game is awful right now) I don't see a huge roadblock at RG:
R1: Verdasco - just straight setted in Madrid, but maybe rain will slow things down to range where Dasco can get into rallies without spraying UEs.
R2: Herbert - Zed got him in 4 sets last year at RG
R32: Cuevas - Alex was killing him in their first set at Madrid and was a bit gassed after winning Munich. Should be straight sets. Cuevas is a bit of a servebot on clay with poor return most of the time.
R16: Nishikori/Querrey - Mischa just took out Kei who is similar to Djokovic (baseline dominator) Sam is another servebot who Zed is undefeated against
QF: Murray/Delpo/Berdych/Isner - Murray and Delpo not looking good at all. Sascha just beat the other two in Rome so liking his chances (mauled Isner in 3rd set)
SF: Wawrinka - Zed 2-0 and playing much better than their last match. Stan is a bit of a clay bot like Cuevas with shakey returning.
F: Rafa/Thiem/Djoko/Goffin - Rafa is the only one to fear and most likely to come through. Sascha and Thiem playing much better this year, but Zverev improved more and has always taken sets. Thiem likely on fumes if he makes it. Zed owns Goffin and Djoko (baseline dominators)

Zverev wins cc

 

[Chanwan]

I think lots of people are way over-reacting to the Agassi-Djoker pairing. Agassi just arrived in Paris on Wednesday and he won't even stay the entire FO with Djoker. How in the world can Andre make one shred of difference to Djoker's game in such a short amount of time? It's impossible. Did McEnroe miraculously change Raonic's game in the couple of weeks they worked together at Wimbledon?

Lendl worked with Murray for months before they really started seeing big results. I think Andre and Djoker are so different culturally and in general that this pairing won't last long. We'll see!

Djoko's game is still there, just not consistently. Again, I don't particularly believe in him, but I believe more in a proven ATG than the two in form players (Thiem and Zverev). Rafa aside of course.
McEnroe might not be your best example, he did get Milos to his first and only slam final.
Lendl and Murray ain't the best example either - at their very first slam, Murray played Djoko a helluvu lot closer than he ever has at the AO, where they've met what - 6? times - and Djoko's beaten him soundly in every other meeting.

 

[joekapa]

I think lots of people are way over-reacting to the Agassi-Djoker pairing. Agassi just arrived in Paris on Wednesday and he won't even stay the entire FO with Djoker. How in the world can Andre make one shred of difference to Djoker's game in such a short amount of time? It's impossible. Did McEnroe miraculously change Raonic's game in the couple of weeks they worked together at Wimbledon?

Lendl worked with Murray for months before they really started seeing big results. I think Andre and Djoker are so different culturally and in general that this pairing won't last long. We'll see!

You compare Djokovic with Milos and even Murray? Get it through your head. DJOKOVIC IS AN ATG! Now go and write that on the blackboard 100 times like Bart Simpson.

 

[Mainad]

You compare Djokovic with Milos and even Murray? Get it through your head. DJOKOVIC IS AN ATG! Now go and write that on the blackboard 100 times like Bart Simpson.

So your argument is that Djokovic should respond INSTANTLY to any changes Agassi may suggest because he is an ATG whilst things have to move more slowly with plodders like Raonic and Murray? Okkaayyyy.........

 

[Chanwan]

Zverev has the best winning % after Nadal this year on clay. His overall clay stats are solid. Not that it means much since Nadal is so far ahead.
Imo, Nadal is a lock-in for the trophy this year. Which will be a nice climax to his career with Toni at RG for the last time and all. Looking forward to it!!
Also hoping that Djoko wins a few matches, so I can get a lot of Agassi coverage

He's probably as much as a lock as he's been since 2012 - or maybe even 2010. And he got a very nice draw too. I do think Zverev can do well this year, but he's still not a proven entity in the slam-format.

 

[zagor]

I think lots of people are way over-reacting to the Agassi-Djoker pairing. Agassi just arrived in Paris on Wednesday and he won't even stay the entire FO with Djoker. How in the world can Andre make one shred of difference to Djoker's game in such a short amount of time? It's impossible. Did McEnroe miraculously change Raonic's game in the couple of weeks they worked together at Wimbledon?

Lendl worked with Murray for months before they really started seeing big results. I think Andre and Djoker are so different culturally and in general that this pairing won't last long. We'll see!

Results-wise (big titles) yes, regarding level of play? No.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but Lendl hooked up with Murray in late December 2011 and then Andy showed up at 2012 AO (January) in blistering form suddenly hitting huge DTL FH and serving like a beast, giving Novak everything he could handle in the SF (by far the closest he ever got to actually beating Novak at AO).

So yes, Lendl had a very noticeable effect right off the bat. Whether it will be the same for Novak-Agassi, remains to be seen but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

 

[joekapa]

So your argument is that Djokovic should respond INSTANTLY to any changes Agassi may suggest because he is an ATG whilst things have to move more slowly with plodders like Raonic and Murray? Okkaayyyy.........

I mean that the beast is still there, even if dormant.

 

[Chanwan]

Results-wise (big titles) yes, regarding level of play? No.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but Lendl hooked up with Murray in late December 2011 and then Andy showed up at 2012 AO (January) in blistering form suddenly hitting huge DTL FH and serving like a beast, giving Novak everything he could handle in the SF (by far the closest he ever got to actually beating Novak at AO).

So yes, Lendl had a very noticeable effect right off the bat. Whether it will be the same for Novak-Agassi, remains to be seen but it's not out of the realm of possibility.

exactly, said the same above, but you stated the case stronger

 

[Gary Duane]

I just added figures for Wawrinka, majors and non-majors. Of all the guys I've tracked he leads everyone in the OE, at least the guys who won slams, for outdoing himself in majors. About a 12.5% difference, which just confirms what we all know - there is no better big match player around...

So he may do damage again at RG this year.

 

[cc0509]

I think the most important thing a guy like Agassi could offer Djokovic at this point is inspiration. Djokovic is obviously looking for new ways to become motivated and with a fresh perspective such as Agassi's, that will probably spark Djokovic into some sort of comeback. Also, Agassi needs to drill into Djokovic's head to be more aggressive again because with all of the losses the past year, Djokovic has become way too hesitant IMO.

I do think Agassi's guidance will be helpful if they continue their relationship post-FO but I doubt the partnership will be enough to enable Djokovic to walk home with the FO crown in two weeks. We'll see.

 

[abmk]

But the Zedbot is a far, far superior model. Versus the Zedbot, Isner won only 65% of his serve points. Zedbot won 79.3% of serve points. Isner usually holds his opponent to 73.6%. The Zedbot has beaten all bots in 2017. Players like Berdych, Nishikori, and Tsonga are annoying insects for the Zedbot. All bots shake in fear in the presence of the Zebot who has never lost to a bot in 2017.

Now the Stanibot on clay is a very impressive model, but it has a poor record in general against other bots:
19/2017 R16 Rome Masters Clay John Isner Stan Wawrinka 7-6(1) 6-4 3.50 - 1.30
45/2011 R64 Paris Masters Hard John Isner Stan Wawrinka 6-7(3) 7-5 7-6(5) 2.32 - 1.67
18/2010 SF Belgrade Clay John Isner Stan Wawrinka 7-5 7-5 3.41 - 1.38
41/2009 R32 Tokyo Outdoor Hard Stan Wawrinka John Isner 6-4 6-4 1.67 - 2.38
30/2016 QF Canadian Masters Hard Stan Wawrinka Kevin Anderson 6-1 6-3 1.40 - 3.00
36/2015 QF US Open Hard Stan Wawrinka Kevin Anderson 6-4 6-4 6-0 1.71 - 2.10
25/2015 R16 Queen's Grass Kevin Anderson Stan Wawrinka 7-6(4) 7-6(11) 2.84 - 1.49
44/2014 R16 Paris Masters Hard Kevin Anderson Stan Wawrinka 6-7(2) 7-5 7-6(3) 2.56 - 1.60
32/2014 R16 Canadian Masters Hard Kevin Anderson Stan Wawrinka 7-6(8) 7-5 3.05 - 1.45
10/2014 R16 Indian Wells Masters Hard Kevin Anderson Stan Wawrinka 7-6(1) 4-6 6-1 4.70 - 1.24
3/2016 R16 Australian Open Hard Milos Raonic Stan Wawrinka 6-4 6-3 5-7 4-6 6-3 2.40 - 1.57
7/2015 SF Rotterdam I Hard Stan Wawrinka Milos Raonic 7-6(3) 7-6(7) 1.75 - 2.23
10/2017 F Indian Wells Masters Hard ****** Stan Wawrinka 6-4 7-5 1.50 - 2.62
3/2017 SF Australian Open Hard ****** Stan Wawrinka 7-5 6-3 1-6 4-6 6-3 1.67 - 2.20
46/2015 SF ATP World Tour Finals I Hard ****** Stan Wawrinka 7-5 6-3 1.13 - 5.95
36/2015 SF US Open Hard ****** Stan Wawrinka 6-4 6-3 6-1 1.36 - 3.10
21/2015 QF FO - RG Clay Stan Wawrinka ****** 6-4 6-3 7-6(4) 3.08 - 1.45
19/2015 SF Rome Masters Clay ****** Stan Wawrinka 6-4 6-2 1.60 - 2.55
45/2014 SF ATP World Tour Finals Hard ****** Stan Wawrinka 4-6 7-5 7-6(6) 1.18 - 5.90
26/2014 QF Wimbledon Grass ****** Stan Wawrinka 3-6 7-6(5) 6-4 6-4 1.40 - 3.35

Zedbot beats all including the mighty ****** recently in Hobart and:
24/2016 SF Halle Grass Alexander Zverev Roger Federer 7-6(4) 5-7 6-3 3.75 - 1.28
18/2016 R32 Rome Masters Clay Roger Federer Alexander Zverev 6-3 7-5 1.28 - 3.55

The ****** has wisely retired from clay with a new and superior model hoovering up everything in its path in 2017. Only players with a masterful first return game have hope against the Zedbot. Slamimal will be slammed by the Zedbot. Thieminator will struggle mightly with Zedbot, so even for him the reign of the Zedbot is an unholy terror on clay. Only a Muzziah resurrected can stop such a terror from reaching the final. "strange"

Zzzzzz,,

And in case that is not enough, what they say in India ..thoo

 

[Meles]

Zzzzzz,,

And in case that is not enough, what they say in India ..thoo

???

 

[HetTheGreaterer]

ZVEREV WILL BE THE WINNER IN THREE!!!





in three of the games, that is

Zverev read this thread and trolled us badly