Rome 2025 FINAL - Sinner vs Alcaraz

Who wins?

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Djokovic_is_the_best#1 said:
I’m still leaning alcaraz slightly. It on clay and it will be played in day time where he stronger and his last couple matches been played then. Alcaraz also has won the recent battles between the two.

Sinner has the form, consistency and game to win but he has to solve the alcaraz puzzle. Alcaraz is very tough to beat in big finals and I think he might just edge it again. This is a huge match though just before RG. Sinner needs it to prove he can beat alcaraz again and alcaraz needs it to still look like the main favourite on clay and for RG.

It should be a cracker. It can go either way but going Carlos in 3.
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You think he’s gonna win all of his big finals?
 
The biggest Sincaraz final of all (so far). More pressure on Sinner as the home favourite, Alcaraz to be cast as the bad boy. Which of them will cope better with the pressure? We'll soon find out.
 
Mainad said:
The biggest Sincaraz final of all (so far). More pressure on Sinner as the home favourite, Alcaraz to be cast as the bad boy. Which of them will cope better with the pressure? We'll soon find out.
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Raz has black leg sleeve for his thigh.

He is not looking as good as he did last rg. Let's see.
 
I’m actually a little surprised Sinner is the betting favorite. Bookies love to be (sometimes unreasonably) bullish on Alcaraz, plus the gulf in their clay achievements thus far in their careers is pretty massive. And it’s not like Alcaraz has been out of form this clay season. He won Monte Carlo and is now into the Rome final. I guess Sinner’s win-streak and general dominance just loom too large (even though all that was built almost entirely on hard courts).
 
Worst case scenario for Alcaraz.

Sinner desperately needs the match fitness. He’s beating up on mugs but he hasn’t been tested with a real challenge yet. This will be the perfect iron-sharpening exercise for Jannik, will get his mind and body prepared for an eventual RG showdown. Could also give him the mental edge with a victory, but even if Carlos wins, Jannik will learn from it and finetune his tactical gameplan.

Meanwhile Carlos lost to Novak at RG 23 and then rolled up to the Olympics the next year with the EXACT same gameplan and foibles and got his ass handed to him as a result. Ferrero isn’t learning from anything nor is he tweaking or changing.

On the contrary, giving Sinner’s team valuable feedback on his physical state as well as film on the matchup will be much more beneficial to Jannik than it will to Carlitos. Hate that it’s happening. Sinner winning RG seems a near certainty at this point unless Ferrero is removed tomorrow.
 
Kralingen said:
Worst case scenario for Alcaraz.

Sinner desperately needs the match fitness. He’s beating up on mugs but he hasn’t been tested with a real challenge yet. This will be the perfect iron-sharpening exercise for Jannik, will get his mind and body prepared for an eventual RG showdown. Could also give him the mental edge with a victory, but even if Carlos wins, Jannik will learn from it and finetune his tactical gameplan.

Meanwhile Carlos lost to Novak at RG 23 and then rolled up to the Olympics the next year with the EXACT same gameplan and foibles and got his ass handed to him as a result. Ferrero isn’t learning from anything nor is he tweaking or changing.

On the contrary, giving Sinner’s team valuable feedback on his physical state as well as film on the matchup will be much more beneficial to Jannik than it will to Carlitos. Hate that it’s happening. Sinner winning RG seems a near certainty at this point unless Ferrero is removed tomorrow.
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Winner of Madrid masters and two times RG finalist is a mug? Lol
 
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TennisGrandpA said:
Winner of Madrid masters and two times RH finalist is a mug? Lol
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Ruud is not a worthy opponent, no. He's easily solved as he has multiple glaring weaknesses. Losing 6-0, 6-1 is not a real match, no serious person would claim it to be. Same as Carlos beating up on Tsitsipas who is also a RG finalist. A matchup vs Ruud tells you nothing about your ability to win a match vs elite competition.
 
Kralingen said:
Ruud is not a worthy opponent, no. He's easily solved as he has multiple glaring weaknesses. Losing 6-0, 6-1 is not a real match, no serious person would claim it to be. Same as Carlos beating up on Tsitsipas who is also a RG finalist. A matchup vs Ruud tells you nothing about your ability to win a match vs elite competition.
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But Ruud just came from a fresh win at Madrid unlike Stef who has been in doldrums for ages.imo it was a clinical and one of the finest clay court exhibition in recent times. Even Rafa smoked great Fed at RG and it doesn’t make him a mug. I agree that Ruud has a match up disadvantage against Sinner due to weak BH but the score line can’t be attributed solely to bad match up.
 
Kralingen said:
Worst case scenario for Alcaraz.

Sinner desperately needs the match fitness. He’s beating up on mugs but he hasn’t been tested with a real challenge yet. This will be the perfect iron-sharpening exercise for Jannik, will get his mind and body prepared for an eventual RG showdown. Could also give him the mental edge with a victory, but even if Carlos wins, Jannik will learn from it and finetune his tactical gameplan.

Meanwhile Carlos lost to Novak at RG 23 and then rolled up to the Olympics the next year with the EXACT same gameplan and foibles and got his ass handed to him as a result. Ferrero isn’t learning from anything nor is he tweaking or changing.

On the contrary, giving Sinner’s team valuable feedback on his physical state as well as film on the matchup will be much more beneficial to Jannik than it will to Carlitos. Hate that it’s happening. Sinner winning RG seems a near certainty at this point unless Ferrero is removed tomorrow.
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Sinner needs a win over Carlos.
 
TennisGrandpA said:
But Ruud just came from a fresh win at Madrid unlike Stef who has been in doldrums for ages.imo it was a clinical and one of the finest clay court exhibition in recent times. Even Rafa smoked great Fed at RG and it doesn’t make him a mug. I agree that Ruud has a match up disadvantage against Sinner due to weak BH but the score line can’t be attributed solely to bad match up.
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You don’t understand my point

That 6-0, 6-1 saw Ruud putting up zero resistance and it didn’t even last an hour. Cool exhibition of skill sure but does it prepare him for 5 set battles after 3 months away from the game? Absolutely not. Ruud played Challenger level that match.

Even when the Big 3 were in their down periods as players they were still killing early round opponents. I remember Fed at USO 19 destroying Goffin in one of the most lopsided HC matches ever.

Sinner needs match fitness and to really be stressed and pushed, Ruud did none of that. Carlos will.
 
Carlitos now a +125 dog…wow.

I’m not sure if he can hold his serve enough against sinner, but he will provide more resistance on return than anyone has so far for sure.

+125 on clay seems like too good of a prospect to pass up @Kralingen
 
Sinner is playing better now than jve ever seen him on clay (and last year he was beating alcaraz at RG until he gassed out) . Alcaraz is playing worse now than he was last year or his 2022 mini stretch. I don’t think people realize or appreciate the improvements sinner has made over his he last year at everything. This is getting Federer like his ability to sweep the opponent off the court and then the switch on when his back is against the wall
 
Hitman said:
If there was a roof over the court, tomorrow Sinner and Alcaraz would have blown it clean off.

Both looking very strong in practice, this is going to be a war.
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In war there is only one winner.

Not this tennis wins or both guys will be winners. One will be loser.
 
tudwell said:
I’m actually a little surprised Sinner is the betting favorite. Bookies love to be (sometimes unreasonably) bullish on Alcaraz, plus the gulf in their clay achievements thus far in their careers is pretty massive. And it’s not like Alcaraz has been out of form this clay season. He won Monte Carlo and is now into the Rome final. I guess Sinner’s win-streak and general dominance just loom too large (even though all that was built almost entirely on hard courts).
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I don't bet although I was most tempted when Sinner was two sets down against Meddy. Those odds don't seem quite right to me.

In any case once again Alcaraz faces Sinner under favorable conditions, in one of the slower courts. We will see how often he goes deep enough on faster hardcourt to test Sinner there.
 
TennisGrandpA said:
Man it’s okay if you like Carlos and support him but the reason to dislike Sinner is kinda meh.
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I didn't say dislike. I laid out reasons for supporting Carlos. As usual you read an attack on Sinner where there isn't one.

And really, do you deny that a PED ban is a valid reason to dislike a player?
 
TennisGrandpA said:
I am sure Bookies are on TTW and bought the hype us sinner fans have created @dking68
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There’s a number of large bets on sinner right now because if you’re looking at volume, most of the volume is on Alcaraz. Obviously getting value at +114+120+125 means the units are going to be smaller and for sure a value bet since Alcaraz hasn’t been an underdog on clay in two years, I believe.
 
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Rosstour said:
It has to be Carlos. If for no other reason than the PED ban. On top of that he's the more interesting player and the more engaging personality (maybe the most interesting and engaging on the entire tour)
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yeah, Carlos for me too. But I dont dislike Sinner. He seems like a really good person as well. I felt like that ban was due to negligence. If he wanted to have an edge against his opponents, why take a very small dose? :oops: Anyway if he gets caught again, I’d change my mind.
 
Incognito said:
yeah, Carlos for me too. But I dont dislike Sinner. He seems like a really good person as well. I felt like that ban was due to negligence. If he wanted to have an edge against his opponents, why take a very small dose? :oops: Anyway if he gets caught again, I’d change my mind.
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I think there were more substances at play and that's why he didn't submit a hair or blood test. Without getting into details, I don't buy his story at all and I think it's naive to think that he and other banned players were just negligent.
 
TheGoldenEra1990’s said:
Sinner didn’t play since AO or else he would have feasted on this crap field. He’s been attending Italian pasta parties since January and he basically never missed a beat LOL
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He’s well rested. And maybe those 3 months will give him extra edge this year. I’m sure he didn’t just sit in front of the tv watched movies in the last 3 months. Fedal missed more than half a year and won majors when they came back, at a more anvanced age.
 
Incognito said:
He’s well rested and well massaged :) And maybe those 3 months will give him extra edge this year. I’m sure he didn’t just sit in front of the tv watched movies in the last 3 months. Fedal missed more than half a year and won majors when they came back, at a more anvanced age.
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Fify my friend
 
Mainad said:
The biggest Sincaraz final of all (so far). More pressure on Sinner as the home favourite, Alcaraz to be cast as the bad boy. Which of them will cope better with the pressure? We'll soon find out.
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Not bad boy. As worthy rival.
Alcaraz is full of appreciation for Sinner and their bonding is great.
Bad boy in this scenario is Djokovic, Medvedev and kyrgios
 
Gonna sound weird, but I would bet on Sinner just based on my odds, but I am picking Alcaraz in 3.

Honestly, I just want another epic battle with these two.
 
Alcaraz in 3 I'll say. Sinner has been playing very well, but no one he's played so far has been in the same league as Alcaraz, the jump might be just too big this soon in his return
 
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