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The roof should have been open in 2018…..

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I don't know how Nole fans can say that Nadal is so much worse indoor and can't play under the roof...

AT THE SAME TIME

saying that playing that wimbledon match in indoor conditions had no impact whatsoever.

How's that possible by your own logic?

Especially that Djokovic won that match by the skin of the teeth.

Anyway good for Wimbledon that they finally realize the stupidy in this.

Also lol at Djoko fans crying that everything is ALWAYS against their idol :rolleyes:
 
DogInSpace said:
I don't know how Nole fans can say that Nadal is so much worse indoor and can't play under the roof...

AT THE SAME TIME

saying that playing that wimbledon match in indoor conditions had no impact whatsoever.

How's that possible by your own logic?

Especially that Djokovic won that match by the skin of the teeth.

Anyway good for Wimbledon that they finally realize the stupidy in this.

Also lol at Djoko fans crying that everything is ALWAYS against their idol :rolleyes:
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Wimbledon probably just didn't know what to do because it was a unique situation and so they improvised. They asked both Nadal and Djokovic what they wanted, Nadal wanted outdoors, Djokovic wanted indoors, and they chose to continue playing indoors under the logic that the conditions should stay the same the whole match, ignoring that Wimbledon is an outdoors tournament and that matches switch conditions all the time when play is interrupted by rain. Why not prioritize switching back to the conditions under which the tournament is classified as when play is interrupted? It made no sense, which is why after the tournament they formally implemented a rule preventing the same thing from happening again.
 
ADuck said:
Wimbledon probably just didn't know what to do because it was a unique situation and so they improvised. They asked both Nadal and Djokovic what they wanted, Nadal wanted outdoors, Djokovic wanted indoors, and they chose to continue playing indoors under the logic that the conditions should stay the same the whole match, ignoring that Wimbledon is an outdoors tournament and that matches switch conditions all the time when play is interrupted by rain. Why not prioritize switching back to the conditions under which the tournament is classified as when play is interrupted? It made no sense, which is why after the tournament they formally implemented a rule preventing the same thing from happening again.
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It’s been 5 years. Time to own it and it move on.
 
Djokovic2011 said:
Can't believe it's been half a decade and some of you Nadal fans still haven't got over it. :D
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You should not be afraid to denounce injustices.
Correcting errors is the next step to avoid repeating things that were done wrong in the past.
:D
 
ADuck said:
Wimbledon probably just didn't know what to do because it was a unique situation and so they improvised. They asked both Nadal and Djokovic what they wanted, Nadal wanted outdoors, Djokovic wanted indoors, and they chose to continue playing indoors under the logic that the conditions should stay the same the whole match, ignoring that Wimbledon is an outdoors tournament and that matches switch conditions all the time when play is interrupted by rain. Why not prioritize switching back to the conditions under which the tournament is classified as when play is interrupted? It made no sense, which is why after the tournament they formally implemented a rule preventing the same thing from happening again.
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Andrew Jarrett made two such decisions that harmed Nadal. The other was in 2007, when he decided not to have any play on the middle Sunday, despite being behind schedule, with dry and sunny weather forecast on the Sunday, and scattered showers forecast on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. This meant that Nadal played every day in the second week.

I seem to remember that Jarrett gave an interview a while back where he said that Nadal wasn't happy at all with the 2018 decision.
 
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Djokovic2011 said:
Can't believe it's been half a decade and some of you Nadal fans still haven't got over it. :D
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It was a vital moment in tennis history. It let the Djokovic genie out of the bottle. Djokovic hadn't won a major for over 2 years, was on 12 majors, while Nadal was on 17 majors and Federer was on 20 majors. Before the quarter finals that year, Djokovic complained about Federer getting Centre Court so often, which saw Federer moved to Court 1, and lose to Anderson 11-13 in the fifth set, after Federer had had match points for a routine straight sets victory.
 
Mustard said:
It was a vital moment in tennis history. It let the Djokovic genie out of the bottle. Djokovic hadn't won a major for over 2 years, was on 12 majors, while Nadal was on 17 majors and Federer was on 20 majors. Before the quarter finals that year, Djokovic complained about Federer getting Centre Court so often, which saw Federer moved to Court 1, and lose to Anderson 11-13 in the fifth set, after Federer had had match points for a routine straight sets victory.
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When things are not going well for Djokovic and he can't win a slam for a long time, the establishment comes to the rescue and creates a favorable conditions for his pupil so he can wake up. We know it.
 
Krish872007 said:
My somewhat unpopular take on 2018 - Djokovic just about wins even with the roof open
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I doubt that. Djokovic barely won indoors. At the start of 2018 Wimbledon, I remember thinking "hot weather, perfect conditions for Nadal to win the whole thing", and that semi final with Djokovic was the only match of the tournament not played in such conditions.
 
Mustard said:
I doubt that. Djokovic barely won indoors. At the start of 2018 Wimbledon, I remember thinking "hot weather, perfect conditions for Nadal to win the whole thing", and that semi final with Djokovic was the only match of the tournament not played in such conditions.
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Difficult to tell. I think it would have gone past 10-8 in the fifth but just a feeling I had - that whole tournament had Djokovic's name written on it the moment Fed went out

Conditions were otherwise pretty great that fortnight but the gap between them on outdoor vs indoor grass isn't enormous. Rafa's only other loss with a closed root was to Rosol (and for that they only closed it in the fifth set)
 
DSH said:
The weather and the bad decisions of the Organization of those Majors tournaments made mistakes that conditioned the results of both matches.
:mad:
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Dude why was not match finished on same day, I mean there was no weather interruption, and there was roof
 
DogInSpace said:
I don't know how Nole fans can say that Nadal is so much worse indoor and can't play under the roof...

AT THE SAME TIME

saying that playing that wimbledon match in indoor conditions had no impact whatsoever.

How's that possible by your own logic?

Especially that Djokovic won that match by the skin of the teeth.

Anyway good for Wimbledon that they finally realize the stupidy in this.

Also lol at Djoko fans crying that everything is ALWAYS against their idol :rolleyes:
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Not recognizing the difference between outdoors grass court under the movable roof and indoors hard court takes serious amount of courage, so... Respect for that. :)
 
djokovic the conqueror said:
Roland Garros 2021 semi
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I was over that in days, and it was avenged the following year.

The 2018 Wimbledon semi, on the other hand, was a vital moment in tennis history, where the result going the other way likely completely changes how tennis would have gone in the following years. It's bigger than the 2019 Wimbledon final for this.
 
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TheNachoMan said:
winners celebrate, losers explain
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They forget easily that Curfew rule helped Rafa to take back momentum, see today Tsits match for example.
Rafa was big time tired ( see his misses in third set tiebrakes) after long Delpo match, with 2-1 Djokovic was only going to tight the grip on Rafa on same day
Five hour Delpo match and three hour that day match, he was about to be roasted
 
Mustard said:
I was over that in days, and it was avenged the following year.

The 2018 Wimbledon semi, on the other hand, was a vital moment in tennis history, where the result going the other way likely completely changes how tennis would have gone in the following years. It's bigger than the 2019 Wimbledon final for this.
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I think that in the case of RG 2021, the matchday could have started a little earlier so that the second semifinal had more time with sunny conditions.
:confused:
 
NAS said:
They forget easily that Curfew rule helped Rafa to take back momentum, see today Tsits match for example.
Rafa was big time tired ( see his misses in third set tiebrakes) after long Delpo match, with 2-1 Djokovic was only going to tight the grip on Rafa on same day
Five hour Delpo match and three hour that day match, he was about to be roasted
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Nadal choked the tiebreaker of that match.
:X3:
 
DSH said:
Nadal choked the tiebreaker of that match.
:X3:
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Because he lacked intensity, I can guarantee you if the tiebreaker was played next day, Rafa wouldn't have made same mistake.
This is not first time that Delpo has taken somebody legs in tough match.
The main reason that disaster happened was Delpo, the hitting in that match was brutal, actually I always respect Rafa for surviving that brutal hitting and coming to play next match in decent form unlike Djokovic and Fed
 
NAS said:
They forget easily that Curfew rule helped Rafa to take back momentum, see today Tsits match for example.
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Uh? Djokovic started the match well, but by the second and third sets Nadal was playing better than Djokovic. Nadal blew his set point chances in the third set, against the run of play, and going past the curfew to 11:03pm when the set ended.
 
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Mustard said:
Uh? Djokovic started the match well, but by the second and third sets Nadal was playing better than Djokovic. Nadal blew his set point chances in the third set, against the run of play, and going past the curfew to 11:03pm when the set ended.
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And do you think Rafa was going to win if the match has continued on same day?
 
NAS said:
And do you think Rafa was going to win if the match has continued on same day?
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After going 1-2 down in sets? I don't know. But the 11pm curfew was known anyway, and it actually went beyond 11pm to finish the set off. Had Nadal taken his first set point in that tiebreak, he would have had a 2-1 sets lead and the match finished for the night at 10:54pm(?). Instead it went on to 11:03pm to finish the set.
 
NAS said:
Because he lacked intensity, I can guarantee you if the tiebreaker was played next day, Rafa wouldn't have made same mistake.
This is not first time that Delpo has taken somebody legs in tough match.
The main reason that disaster happened was Delpo, the hitting in that match was brutal, actually I always respect Rafa for surviving that brutal hitting and coming to play next match in decent form unlike Djokovic and Fed
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Nadal had three points in his favor in the second set tie-break against Del Potro and the third was on his serve but he missed that opportunity.
He lost the set, also the next one and the match lasted until the decider, which unnecessarily prolonged his hours on court.
:notworthy:
 
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itrium84 said:
Not recognizing the difference between outdoors grass court under the movable roof and indoors hard court takes serious amount of courage, so... Respect for that. :)
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Jfc. It is not about the surface. It is about heat, humidity, and other weather conditions and how the BALL goes through the AIR regardless of on which surface it bounces on. These factors can even impact the ball's bounce due to the court becoming hotter or drier. Closing the roof eliminates these challenges, creating a controlled and consistent environment. Also one player wanted roof to be open the other wanted it to remain closed. Wonder why?
 
Mustard said:
After going 1-2 down in sets? I don't know. But the 11pm curfew was known anyway, and it actually went beyond 11pm to finish the set off. Had Nadal taken his first set point in that tiebreak, he would have had a 2-1 sets lead and the match finished for the night at 10:54pm(?). Instead it went on to 11:03pm to finish the set.
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Rafa and Novak history is very simple, anybody who take 2-0 or 2-1 lead finishes match in four apart from three times.
AO 12where Novak failed to finish in fourth and RG 13 where Rafa failed to finish in four. ( Both choked their fourth set)
And third is 2018 where curfew rule helped Rafa .
There is a reason not a single time in this matchup 2-0 or 2-1 lead is reversed or match goes to even fifth set and they both are known for fighting against odd skill but still match don't go to five
 
NAS said:
Rafa and Novak history is very simple, anybody who take 2-0 or 2-1 lead finishes match in four apart from three times.
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In that case, going into the 2014 Australian Open final, Nadal leads Wawrinka 12-0 and has never lost a set. Simple.

NAS said:
AO 12where Novak failed to finish in fourth and RG 13 where Rafa failed to finish in four. ( Both choked their fourth set)
And third is 2018 where curfew rule helped Rafa .
There is a reason not a single time in this matchup 2-0 or 2-1 lead is reversed or match goes to even fifth set and they both are known for fighting against odd skill but still match don't go to five
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The curfew rule was known in advance, and they went beyond 11pm anyway.
 
Mustard said:
In that case, going into the 2014 Australian Open final, Nadal leads Wawrinka 12-0 and has never lost a set. Simple.


The curfew rule was known in advance, and they went beyond 11pm anyway.
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Murray Baghdatis in 2012 also wrapped up at 11:02pm.
Makes sense if you're at the very end of a set or match
 
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