Roof vs No Roof

[TennisATP]

How much does the roof vs no roof on Arthur Ashe stadium has an effect on play? Besides the added noise would it basically make the match feel like an indoor match with faster conditions or is the stadium so big and the roof so high that it barely makes a difference? Would it be a big factor in a possible Nadal/Federer meeting?

 

[KINGROGER]

I prefer no roof, and I prefer the old acoustics where the ball used to sound like it was being banged really loudly, like a gunshot or something.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

How much does the roof vs no roof on Arthur Ashe stadium has an effect on play? Besides the added noise would it basically make the match feel like an indoor match with faster conditions or is the stadium so big and the roof so high that it barely makes a difference? Would it be a big factor in a possible Nadal/Federer meeting?

It actually plays a very important factor, because the player cannot truly assess the weight of shot that the opponent has hit, this can cause mistiming of the ball, causing you to over hit. Nadal has been caught out by this plenty of times, so calibrating the shot trajectory is much harder, since the sound of the ball coming off the racket mixes in with the ambient noise in the stadium. Indoor conditions will favor Federer without a doubt, if the Fedal semi takes places, and happens under a roof. Federer prefers the elements are taken out of it and said how happy he was when he actually played on the court, even when it was open and commented on there being no wind or even much sun down there. I have watched many matches in Ashe over the years, and I can confidently state that when there was no roof, the wind would get down to court and then move around in a circle, this only got worse the more windier it got. That now does not happen, so the USO will never have that feel again. This works against Nadal, who plays with high margin, and works for Federer, who plays with a lower margin, no wind means, Federer can take the ball how he wishes.

 

[ONgame]

Commentator mentioned the added noise blurs the sound when the ball makes contact with the racquet or something.

 

[TennisATP]

It actually plays a very important factor, because the player cannot truly assess the weight of shot that the opponent has hit, this can cause mistiming of the ball, causing you to over hit. Nadal has been caught out by this plenty of times, so calibrating the shot trajectory is much harder, since the sound of the ball coming off the racket mixes in with the ambient noise in the stadium. Indoor conditions will favor Federer without a doubt, if the Fedal semi takes places, and happens under a roof. Federer prefers the elements are taken out of it and said how happy he was when he actually played on the court, even when it was open and commented on there being no wind or even much sun down there. I have watched many matches in Ashe over the years, and I can confidently state that when there was no roof, the wind would get down to court and then move around in a circle, this only got worse the more windier it got. That now does not happen, so the USO will never have that feel again. This works against Nadal, who plays with high margin, and works for Federer, who plays with a lower margin, no wind means, Federer can take the ball how he wishes.

Thanks... in other words Nadal prefers natural conditions and the roof being unnatural plays to the advantage of Federer. Hopefully there will be no need for the roof because tennis is supposed to be natural.

 

[TheGhostOfAgassi]

Thanks... in other words Nadal prefers natural conditions and the roof being unnatural plays to the advantage of Federer. Hopefully there will be no need for the roof because tennis is supposed to be natural.

I forgot the roof was on yesterday That makes Rafas win look better to me. He hates the roof. He has had 2 matches under the roof now. Thats good practice for him.
The roof gives a lower bounce (not good for players like Rafa and Thiem) and more sound, I think the sound also get slightly different not only in volume, but it gets delayed, or at least feels delayed because of the aucustic

 

[ibbi]

From a spectator watching on TV point of view, when the sun is out at the beginning of play that court is now almost unwatchable. One side of the net is literally entirely shrouded in darkness to the point you can barely see anything, and while after a couple of hours that retreats, you then get one encroaching from the side covering up one half of the court the way you often do on these tennis arenas with a roof.

It seems that poor stupid arena just can't seem to do anything right.

But yes, obviously the roof changes the way things play, as roofs always do. Given the size of that arena, boxing it in with a roof is obviously going to create far more issue with regards to the effects of ambient noise than the ones at other tournaments do.

With regards to Federer and Nadal (still too far off to realistically think about) it is interesting. the nature of the court would seem to favour Rafa, but the indoor factor always favours Roger over anyone. We heard Nadal's issues with the noise after his first round match, and while it may have just seemed like a lot of whining, the fact that he's been so monstrously off with regards to his timing over and over again seems to suggest it's definitely having an impact on him.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Thanks... in other words Nadal prefers natural conditions and the roof being unnatural plays to the advantage of Federer. Hopefully there will be no need for the roof because tennis is supposed to be natural.

It's being played on an unnatural surface though.

 

[TennisATP]

It's being played on an unnatural surface though.

Yeah tennis has become very unnatural... we have got to comeback to the naturality of our sport. Nature and naturality are crucial to secure the future of our sport for our children.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Yeah tennis has become very unnatural... we have got to comeback to the naturality of our sport. Nature and naturality are crucial to secure the future of our sport for our children.

Well if you look at tennis, lawn tennis, comes from real tennis which was hardly natural. I think the swing is too much now in the favor of unnatural surfaces, and don't see that changing for a long long time.

 

[sdont]

Yeah tennis has become very unnatural... we have got to comeback to the naturality of our sport. Nature and naturality are crucial to secure the future of our sport for our children.

Do you mean they should get back to wooden racquets and natural gut strings?

 

[D.Nalby12]

It actually plays a very important factor, because the player cannot truly assess the weight of shot that the opponent has hit, this can cause mistiming of the ball, causing you to over hit. Nadal has been caught out by this plenty of times, so calibrating the shot trajectory is much harder, since the sound of the ball coming off the racket mixes in with the ambient noise in the stadium. Indoor conditions will favor Federer without a doubt, if the Fedal semi takes places, and happens under a roof. Federer prefers the elements are taken out of it and said how happy he was when he actually played on the court, even when it was open and commented on there being no wind or even much sun down there. I have watched many matches in Ashe over the years, and I can confidently state that when there was no roof, the wind would get down to court and then move around in a circle, this only got worse the more windier it got. That now does not happen, so the USO will never have that feel again. This works against Nadal, who plays with high margin, and works for Federer, who plays with a lower margin, no wind means, Federer can take the ball how he wishes.

Does roof remain permanently closed?

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Does roof remain permanently closed?

No. But due to the massive size of the Ashe Stadium, part of it is now always closed. It is basically the bit in the middle which is open, but with the way it is shaped, like an egg dome, the wind simply cannot get down to the court. So the conditions have changed permanently, but you go now from partial indoors to full indoors. I wouldn't call it as a strictly open court anymore.

 

[D.Nalby12]

No. But due to the massive size of the Ashe Stadium, part of it is now always closed. It is basically the bit in the middle which is open, but with the way it is shaped, like an egg dome, the wind simply cannot get down to the court. So the conditions have changed permanently, but you go now from partial indoors to full indoors. I wouldn't call it as a strictly open court anymore.

Great news. Adv Fed.

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Great news. Adv Fed.

This should answer your question how Federer feels.

47 second mark

 

[johnnyb]

Do you mean they should get back to wooden racquets and natural gut strings?

And also use only cotton clothing, no more dry fit / poly stuff.

 

[tennisaddict]

Let us see how both Fed and Rafa answered to the question 'How is it to play under the roof ?'

Nadal : I found it very noisy . Had to adjust to the sounds coming during the rallies . Having played 2 matches now I am trying to feed on the energy

Fed : The roof is such a welcome addition . For 4-5 years the US finals were not on schedule . We as players can play any time but the crowd comes from all over the world and it is a huge inconvenience when schedules are impacted . Today it is raining so much outside and we are having a full court here able to enjoy the game. I love it .

 

[D.Nalby12]

This should answer your question how Federer feels.

47 second mark

Best conditions you could actually have, he says. Yet he struggled as he didn't have enough preparation due to bad back. But now when he found his best Tennis, I think it will be very difficult to beat him on Ashe even if roof is open.

 

[fedtennisphan]

Let us see how both Fed and Rafa answered to the question 'How is it to play under the roof ?'

Nadal : I found it very noisy . Had to adjust to the sounds coming during the rallies . Having played 2 matches now I am trying to feed on the energy

Fed : The roof is such a welcome addition . For 4-5 years the US finals were not on schedule . We as players can play any time but the crowd comes from all over the world and it is a huge inconvenience when schedules are impacted . Today it is raining so much outside and we are having a full court here able to enjoy the game. I love it .

Notice Nadal's answer made no reference to the fans. Everything he says is self-serving. His ****s wonder why Federer is more popular.

 

[Rago]

Do you mean they should get back to wooden racquets and natural gut strings?

LMAO

 

[Deleted member 77403]

Best conditions you could actually have, he says. Yet he struggled as he didn't have enough preparation due to bad back. But now when he found his best Tennis, I think it will be very difficult to beat him on Ashe even if roof is open.

I have kind of been eluding to this in the weeks leading up to the USO, that Federer is going to relish the conditions on Ashe now. I know there was talk that Nadal loves the conditions in NYC, and yes, he does, but the roof is certainly not something he would have welcomed.

Lets continue to talk about the conditions in a Federer v Nadal match, in particular court speed and bounce. Now I have heard a few say that Nadal is not affected by the speed of the court but by the bounce, and that he in fact loves fast courts...well, not necessarily against Federer, and not against a flat hitter. On a fast court, a high bouncing court actually favors Federer a lot aganst Nadal when it comes to serving, one of the biggest play's in the Nadal return game is when the server targets Nadal's backhand with a down the T serve, on a high bouncing slower court, Rafa is able to dance around that backhand and then hit a forehand acute angled cross court, instantly moving the server out to his left, and from there dictating the point. Nadal uses this play a lot on BPs and it has given him much success, on a faster high bouncing court, this play does NOT work. By the time Nadal has managed to dance around his backhand to take the ball over the short path through the court, the ball has bounced up over his head and he then mistimes his shot, and normally hits it well over the court. Federer would also be bringing in massive kick serves out wide to the Nadal forehand, and stepping in, the way he did in IW. When Nadal loses that particular play in his return game, it becomes easier then to hold serve and attack his.

The courts here are not particularly fast, so Nadal does benefit from the slower conditions, but the roof situation has made the ball more slightly quicker through the air and almost acting like an equalizer between them. Of course none of this matters, if they both suck and don't even make it there.

 

[icedevil0289]

brb doing my rain dance if both make it to the semis.

 

[Federer and Del Potro]

It actually plays a very important factor, because the player cannot truly assess the weight of shot that the opponent has hit, this can cause mistiming of the ball, causing you to over hit. Nadal has been caught out by this plenty of times, so calibrating the shot trajectory is much harder, since the sound of the ball coming off the racket mixes in with the ambient noise in the stadium. Indoor conditions will favor Federer without a doubt, if the Fedal semi takes places, and happens under a roof. Federer prefers the elements are taken out of it and said how happy he was when he actually played on the court, even when it was open and commented on there being no wind or even much sun down there. I have watched many matches in Ashe over the years, and I can confidently state that when there was no roof, the wind would get down to court and then move around in a circle, this only got worse the more windier it got. That now does not happen, so the USO will never have that feel again. This works against Nadal, who plays with high margin, and works for Federer, who plays with a lower margin, no wind means, Federer can take the ball how he wishes.

No sun!? Rafa wins then, never forget the sun drenched panels that felled Rafael Nadal at Wimbledon '17.

 

[Fedberg20]

Thanks... in other words Nadal prefers natural conditions and the roof being unnatural plays to the advantage of Federer. Hopefully there will be no need for the roof because tennis is supposed to be natural.

All roofs are unnatural or just this one? You mean if it was made out of, say straw or wood, then it would become a "natural roof" and it wouldn't affect Rafa negatively? Also, by saying he prefers "natural conditions" you are basically saying he prefers as much elements of luck as needed to compensate for his imperfect technique.

 

[Rago]

Also, by saying he prefers "natural conditions".

Don't bother bud; you are speaking to a wall. This is just another pathetic thread with an agenda.

Waiting patiently for the next guy to chime in with a snide and satirical response to OP's drivel.

 

[Gazelle]

Roof or no roof has like 1% impact on the outcome of a match.

 

[AceSalvo]

OP surely knows what happened this year when Nadal faced Fed under "natural" settings, right?

Fed competes evenly across "all" conditions. Nadal finds it difficult to adjust.

 

[NastyWinners]

Yeah tennis has become very unnatural... we have got to comeback to the naturality of our sport. Nature and naturality are crucial to secure the future of our sport for our children.

Like more grass tournaments.


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