NatF, That way you must rank Budge very, very high (surely too high) because he has won the Grand Slam while for instance Vines does not. But yet Vines was probably the greater player.
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NatF, That way you must rank Budge very, very high (surely too high) because he has won the Grand Slam while for instance Vines does not. But yet Vines was probably the greater player.
Phoenix1983, Your famous (but wrong) idee fixe...Rosewall did not have many chances to win Wimbledon and the Grand Slam, just contrary to Laver!
I yet could make a case that Muscles is greater than the Rocket...
kiki, Of course. I mostly even would enjoy an agreement of us about Fraser vs. Roche ;-)
NatF
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Budge did the Grand Slam only as an amateur (obviously) so no I don't rank him greater than Vines.
NatF
Bionic Poster
I value peak level quite abit, Vines has that sort of mystique Hoad has - a very high peak level of play.
Budge did beat Vines in their only meeting in the majors, but Vines was obviously on the downturn. I rank them quite closely if I'm honest. Budge probably would have won more in the pro ranks if the war had coincided with his career etc...
kiki
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Roche may be more talented but Fraser was the champ.Both excelent left handed servers, very strong volleys, very good FH.Roche had a bit better BH.Both fit ( except when Roche had those injuries), but Neale was a more competitive breed IMO.
NatF, Good to read this.
kiki, I think that Roche had a much better volley than Fraser.
kiki
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Not by that much.Fraser was as steady up there as they come ( from ozz)
kiki, Roche is most probably one of the 7 greatest volleyers of all time, at bh arguably even the GOAT, together with Rosewall.
Fraser might be one of the best 40 all-time volleyers....
Vive la difference!
kiki, That's fine. I only saw Roche in doubles and on video clips.
I'm never able to relax when somebody is saying a non-reasonable thing.
You seem even so much relaxed that you are able to compare a GOOD volleyer with a possible GOAT volleyer...
kiki
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I don' put em in the same volley class
But the gap may be closer than you think
B T W also saw Fraser but not prime
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Nathaniel_Near
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kiki, It's a pity that Fraser declined rather soon. I saw him playing (albeit as late as 1975) with a rather big belly...
kiki
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SriVan90
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Rosewall was No 2 player for most of his career, Lew Hoad single handedly won 3 Davis Cup for Australia in 1950s and crowd viewed Hoad as their hero, when they both turned pro Gonzales dominated them, Once Hoad was injured and Laver became hero winning Grand Slam in 62 and also winning 2 Davis cups as Amateur. Once Laver turned pro Rosewall was second best to laver. In Open Era Laver completed Grand Slam 1969 and became a global icon and also went on to win Davis cup for Australia in 1973. Rosewall was Second Best Player for 3 decades but never took the centre stage like Hoad, Gonzales and Laver. Also he failed to win Wimbledon.
It didn't help that Rosewall's best years from 1961 to 1964 were largely played outside the attention of the major media and in secondary venues, not at the major venues such as Forest Hills or Wimbledon.
The pros did play in some years at Roland Garros, but moved in 1963 to an indoor wood arena which was not related to clay the standard traditional European surface.
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