Discussion in 'Classic Racquet Talk' started by Dino Lagaffe, Jan 24, 2010.
F210, F230x2, F250
F210, F250, F230
Weight: (A) 364/12.84
Weight: (B) 361/12.73
Nice flexible racquets. I really enjoyed hitting with the F250 .. nice control while gentle to the arm.
Yeah, the F250 is a very nice racquet. A little bit "stiff" compared to some other Rossignols, but as you said, gentle on the arm never the less.
Nice & rare collection...
Just bought 1 month ago the Rossi F395. The racquet really looks like the F295, same color and shape. can you tell me the differences, in terms of weight and specs, between these 2 beautiful racquets? Thank you so much.
Dino - have you hit with the 290? I think it's really the true successor to the 200 - beautiful feel, also soft - like a very minimally updated version.
Thanks for posting the pics - you're making me miss my babies. I had to leave most of them at home when I moved countries.
Thanks, I really enjoy all of my racquets, but the Rossignols are special to me...
Unfortunately I can't help you out, as I don't have any experience with the F395. Please take pictures and post any specs you've got, and maybe we can figure things out. Sorry I wasn't able to help.
Nope, haven't had a chance to hit with a 290 (yet). Hopefully it'll soon find its way into my collection though...
Yeah, from your posts I have understood that you're quite a Rossignol aficionado yourself. So which frames did you have to leave behind and which did you bring with you? How did you decide?
Is this because you are a Wilander fan, and in Sweden also?
Ok Dino, thank you. I don't think i can post pictures, as i don't have in this moment any digital camera! Maybe in the future, who knows! I just can tell you that the racquet looks the same as the F295 that you posted here,the only difference that i can see is F395! Same grip colour, same colour of the racquet. i think that maybe the only difference could be the weight. This Rossi( i changed the grip with a new one, and i added 2 overgrips, and 6 grams at 3 and 9 o'clock) weights exactly 380 grams (13,40 oz), i tested also the swingweight, 378 with the diagnostic Babolat. The stiffness is 55. Original Bumpers are white.strung with tecnifibre black code in mains , and tecnifibre multifeel in crosses, 1,28 and 1,30, tension 22kg and 21,5 kg. These are the only specs i know. Thank you so much again, Dino, also for your beautiful Rossi pictures here. Really incredible beautiful racquets in perfect conditions. Those were the days!!
F295 was my fav rossi of all time. still have one.
Well, it's a combination of things, I guess. I did like Wilander and Roland Garros has always been my favorite tournament and the 80s is when I started watching and playing tennis. It didn't hurt either that it wasn't the most common brand, even back then. However, the most important thing is the way they play and look.
So how does it play? It sounds like a gentle giant.
I'll try to add more pictures later. I'm glad you enjoy them.
The only one I've got is the NOS unstrung one pictured in this thread... So I haven't played with one yet. How does it play? Can you compare it to another Rossignol? Thanks.
To be honest i played with this Rossi only two times. I'm currently using the BB11 mid, and i'm really happy with this frame. I would like to test the f395 for more than 5 hours. Next week i want to play a game in a local tournament with the F395, even if i'm goin to loose the match, who cares. The time for tennis in these days is not too much, so i will take that chance. Here in Italy now the wheater is very bad, and we are playin' only indoor games.. Can't wait to play with the Rossi! First time when i used to hit with the F395, i was disappointed because of the wrong tension , 24/23 with a poly, it was too much. Last week , i changed the strings, now Hybrid with black code and multifeel, 22/21,5, and i think that this could be a good setting. i'll report my new impressions soon as it's possible.
Looking forward to your impressions, Cesare. BTW, have you made any modifications to your BB11?
Obviously I wouldn't mind winning all the time, but for me tennis is so much more than "just" winning or losing. Maybe it's a subconscious way of rationalizing losses, but some really nice serve games with my pc600, a few good serve and volley combos with my Max 200 G or an hour spent some yards behind the baseline on the clay looping forehands and slicing backhands with my F200 sure make a match worthwile, whether I win or lose.
I agree, the F200 Carbon especially is a fun frame to sample. I still have one around here somewhere.
I love your collection. I really like Rossis, too. I've got about a dozen different models, but this is my favorite. It's an F280. Felt great the first time I picked it up.
I don't have an F295, but this one sure looks like one. Do you know if this is basically the same racquet, but perhaps marketed overseas? I've seen quite a few F295s, but not many F280s.
I thought as someone with expertise, you might know the history of this racquet. I don't have any specs on it -- it's flexible, but not as flexy as the F200, as far as I can tell.
Dino, agree with you about winning or loosing,for sure (to me), this is not the most important thing, especially at the age of 41..The good ol' days are missed..
talking about the bb11 mid, this is the way i customized the frame:
Replaced original grip with the Babolat leather (+ 10 grams),overgrip babolat tour(+5 grams), 5 +5 grams at 3 and 9 o'clock, strung with Tecnifibre Promix 1,25, tension 23/22 kg.
WEIGHT: 375 grams
I'm very happy with this racquet, it is very stable, precise, and the power( for my tennis), is enough. Especially it's easy to generate power on the serve, flats are great, kicks are even better.
Heavy-weight racquet but easy to handle and to move. one of the best racquet i ever used, for sure very close to the Wilson pro-staff 88, but less stiff, even tought that the pro staff's better at the net and little more stable, but less maneuvarable.
Thanks! Yes, there's something special about Rossignol, isn't there?
Unfortunately I can't help you out regarding the F280... I'm looking to add to my F-series collection and will be sure to share the specs of incoming racquets. Which Rossignols have you got?
Your BB11 mid seems like a racquet I would like to try out!
Your description of the KPS88 is spot on. I loved the stability but it felt clumsy to me. Moreover it's way too stiff for my taste... I did try the Six.One Tour BLX out recently though, probably the nicest Wilson I tried in a long time. With the right string it could be a pretty decent stick.
Mine cover a pretty wide range. I have some older ones, like a Tubex 300, Touch SVR, RT, RS, C-12; and later ones -- three F200s, an F250, the F280, an F335, an RS06, DT6.40, FT6.80 and Vectris 9.000. All of those, from the F200s on, have the inverted throat.
I'll have to take a family portrait sometime.
Still looking for a Zebra.
Besides the F-280, I like the F335 and FT6.80. Both really nice frames. Both the RS and RT are beautiful -- they have that aluminum facing over some synthetic core, a lot like the Head Ashe Competitions. Here's what they look like:
Nice picture! I have some racquets in that alu series as well, including the RS. Here are the specs I got on it:
Andres Gomez used the RT before he moved on to Yonex.
The 280 is not the 295 - they are different animals. The F280 is a little softer and (I think - my F295 is not with me at the moment) a little lighter also. I'm not 100% sure, but I seem to remember that, despite the numbering system, the 280 and the 290 (probably my favourite of the "newer" F series frames) came out after the F295 - but not long after - perhaps a year or so.
The F290 is one you should try. It's the closest to an updated F200 I've found. Softer than the 280 or 295. I always thought of the F295 as the 250's successor - a beastly frame but sweet hitting on a good day!
Thanks for the tip on the F290. Rossignol's numbering system doesn't seem to have any rhyme or reason, although there must have some rationale. Great old frames anyway.
I guess the solution is to get all the racquets and try and find the logics behind their system...
Ha! Dino, I have all the F series (well - no 150 just because it's an ugly little beast and there may be a 300 something out there I haven't found) - the numbering system eludes me completely.
Congratulations! I'm working my way there, and even have an ugly little beast... :wink:
At the onset of the series, the numbering connotated the percentage greater than standard size the head size was:
F100 = 10% larger,
F150 = 15%,
F200 = 20%,
F300 = 30%.
However, when the F230 and F250 came along (being essentially the same head size as the F200), it seems the logic behind the naming convention stopped.
played yesterday with the Rossi F395. I've lost the match 6-3 6-3. Fist time i've hit with this Rossignol new set-up,much more better than the previous one. impressed by the slice back-hand, i don't like the serve, it's not easy to generate fast-speed serve, maybe because it's not an easy racquet to move, the swingweight's very hight. i like the solid feel of this racquet at the net, and the returns are great . But, overall, this F395 is a very different frame compared to the most famous F200 carbon,feels stiffer and not with the same feel. If i'm not wrong, the f200's flex was 42, the F395's is 55. i'm very happy with my bb11 mid , maybe now it's not easy for me to try out other racquets, because i'm really in love with this frame.
Thanks for your comments on the F395, Cesare. Yeah for me the serve is a great indicator of when the SW is getting too high. If I was getting a racquet just for baseline rallies, I could "afford" to play with a less maneuverable racquet.
I'm glad the BB11s seem to work out well for you. I was hoping to start playing with my PT57As soon, as I just started to modify them and getting them ready for action. That will probably have to wait a little, as I just removed had the cast removed from my messed-up left arm. Maybe I can play next week?
Thanks to you, Dino.
Sorry for my ignorance, what do yoy mean for PT57? i hope that you are recovering very well, so that you can play your best tennis soon as it's possible. you're very right about the swingweight when serving..One of these days i would like to try out a Pro-kennex redondo, another sweet racquet with the "old Feel".., i mean the 93 sq inches, the red one made of graphite. one of my friends he's so in love with this racquet..but next week i want to give another chance to the Rossi F395! Not so bad, in my opinion, slice backhand's almost perfect!
The PT57A is a Pro Stock version from Head. Here's a thread on Head code names:
The Redondo mid seems like a nice, old-school racquet. I wouldn't mind trying that one out either.
Hey Dino, I can't see your great photos
Is it just me?
Jimbo, when I put my pictures at photobucket in different folders it messed up my links. Putting them back is on my to do list.
Have a great weekend!
Some pictures of the lates Rossignol in my collection; the FT 7.60 Extreme. Specs TBA...
^^^^^Great looking racquet
Thanks for your message by the way, will reply later!
very nice...how does it hit?
my faves are the f200 and f250...which also happen to be the only rossignol's i've owned & played with. :mrgreen:
I just found something really interesting in my closet. A brand new sealed in plastic with case F200 with Wilander's signature on it. I mean not the actual signature but his name printed just like signature on the throat. The whole thing is sealed in plastic. I remember buying it like 18-20 years ago and found it just now. Tells you how often i clean up .
If anyone has any interest in that frame let me know.
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