Rublev gets *defaulted* for unsportsmanlike conduct, at *5-6 in the third

Krish0608 said:
Rublev did the exact same thing to a chair umpire at a UTS event. It’s extremely intimidating to do this respecting of whether he swore at him or not.
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The aggressiveness was alarming but it appears the umpire would have let him play on had it not been translated.
 
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Krish0608 said:
…It’s plain intimidation and there’s no place for this in tennis. You can’t behave this way with officials. And if you do, you shouldn’t get away with it…
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Hear! Hear!

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Tshooter said:
That is strictly his off court image. He’s a notorious hot head on court even by his own admission seemingly unable to control himself. Maybe this default can help him get a handle on it.
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If being on camera in front of the workd and a ton of spectators in person can't help him gey a handle on it I dont know what can
 
Kralingen said:
Please, Medvedev gets away with intimidating and cursing at officials like this multiple times per tournament.

Rublev does need to calm down though he has significant anger issues.
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Yeah but Andre has literally shown a more aggressive behavior in nature. Med and others will argue and say things.

Andre has smashed his racket over his own knee breaking skin. Zverev literally bashed his racket against the line chair near the judges foot.

It’s one thing to swear but visibly - I’d be more frightened as a line judge the way Rublev and zverev do so at me as they come off as violent.
 
Mainad said:
Presumably so he could swear at him without being understood? Unfortunately for him there was a translator about who informed the linesman of what he said who then reported him to the umpire.
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Yeah they use a different language so they don't get caught so easily. In this case another line judge was nearby and understood Russian and busted Rublev.

Interesting to see if he really was speaking in Russian or was lying to get out of it? Either way bad look for Rublev.
 
norcal said:
Yeah they use a different language so they don't get caught so easily. In this case another line judge was nearby and understood Russian and busted Rublev.

Interesting to see if he really was speaking in Russian or was lying to get out of it? Either way bad look for Rublev.
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He was up in his face screaming.
And honestly - these temper tantrums come off violent. It’s not swearing during an argument. Anyone who sees Andre’s court behavior when frustrated can tell how intense he is. Those who don’t know him well -I can see being afraid or concerned when he comes up in your face screaming like a lunatic.
 
Better_Call_Raul said:
It was not an insult. Serena threatened to kill.
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Ok, anyway, umpires are taught that if a player says something in your direction and is too close to you, it’s a default. Rublev today is a classic example. There was another similar case last year in challengers. Anyway, it’s the last year on the ATP with line umpires anyway.
 
Kralingen said:
Yep it’s the exact same thing with the NBA and superstar calls and the way some QBs in the NFL get officiated… Once you establish yourself as some sort of elite player and character the refereeing bends to your whim based upon the character and playstyle you represent. Modern sports rule enforcement resembles kayfabe WWE more and more by the day.
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Wonder who's booked for the heavyweight titles this year. Sinner has got a huge push and it very over at TTW. Maybe he finishes his story.
 
Obviously bummer that the match was ruined, but I actually appreciate that other line judge who saw his co-worker getting reamed by a customer for no reason and at least told his boss about it. I'd love to work with that guy.
 
Rublev was also aggressively indignant at the beginning of the match about the decision of the referee, who made the decision according to the rules. Then he should have been punished for unsportsmanlike behavior and maybe he wouldn’t have behaved like that in this case. I don't agree with DQ, but it's good for him, it's time to do something about the uncontrollable anger. He used to beat himself, but now he takes it out on others.
 
agassifanboy said:
Obviously bummer that the match was ruined, but I actually appreciate that other line judge who saw his co-worker getting reamed by a customer for no reason and at least told his boss about it. I'd love to work with that guy.
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Not like that weasel Arnold:

 
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As far as others getting away with worse, I just look at the rules like any law - let's say something basic, like the speed limit. Many people won't get tagged/caught for speeding. But, the law IS there and people know it, and at times do get caught. Everyone knows the risk of being caught exists; so it's up to them to decide how much they want to risk it. "But the other guy didn't get caught" isn't really a valid excuse.
 
Kralingen said:
Yep it’s the exact same thing with the NBA and superstar calls and the way some QBs in the NFL get officiated… Once you establish yourself as some sort of elite player and character the refereeing bends to your whim based upon the character and playstyle you represent. Modern sports rule enforcement resembles kayfabe WWE more and more by the day.
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I’ve never seen an NFL player get in an umpires face quite like that and not get flagged. Maybe it’s out there - I just can’t recall it.

And if you touch a ref they throw you out altogether.

They’re penalizing players for celebrating in any slightly taunting manner and throwing flags for basic tackles on QB’s that are very hard for DB’s to halt mid play.

The NFL is very regulated.
 
Any player who screams in an official's face like that should be defaulted. Whether they cursed or not isn’t the point. I agree that some “stars” get away with it but the answer is to default them, too, not to allow everyone else to abuse tournament staff.

I’m losing respect for players who are responding as though Rublev was wronged here. Do they really think it’s OK for them to angrily scream in people’s faces just as long as they don’t use profanity? If so, they’re rotten spoiled brats themselves. No level of athletic ability excuses that.
 
neytron said:
Rublev was also aggressively indignant at the beginning of the match about the decision of the referee, who made the decision according to the rules.
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The umpire did not make a decision according to the rules. Rules require umpire to make an instant decision.
Not delay and rely on a translation.
If there was no Russian on court, Rublev plays on.
 
Did he have any prior code violations this match?

Default is obviously a pretty extreme punishment and I think it's worth discussing if it was warranted in this situation. I do think this kind of behavior needs to be handled pretty strictly – that was blatant intimidation, and it's not fair to force the line ump to put up with that with no recourse but it's also not fair to the opponent because now all calls by that line ump are potentially questionable (whether he ends up being favorable to Rublev out of fear of another outburst or even – I suppose it's possible – calling lines unfairly towards Rublev as a kind of punishment).
 
tudwell said:
Did he have any prior code violations this match?

Default is obviously a pretty extreme punishment and I think it's worth discussing if it was warranted in this situation. I do think this kind of behavior needs to be handled pretty strictly – that was blatant intimidation, and it's not fair to force the line ump to put up with that with no recourse but it's also not fair to the opponent because now all calls by that line ump are potentially questionable (whether he ends up being favorable to Rublev out of fear of another outburst or even – I suppose it's possible – calling lines unfairly towards Rublev as a kind of punishment).
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I agree with second half of your post. It adds PRESSURE on line umpires. He is not the first one. There are many who have mental issues and also are bullies. But on Twitter/YouTube they are called interesting or funny.
 
AM75 said:
Ok, anyway, umpires are taught that if a player says something in your direction and is too close to you, it’s a default. Rublev today is a classic example. There was another similar case last year in challengers. Anyway, it’s the last year on the ATP with line umpires anyway.
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This is the last year with line umpires? What? Are they going to camera review ball in or out every point?
 
jimdontcare said:
I don't understand how you can watch what happened and not feel like a DQ is justified. You can't scream in a judge's face like that. The obscenity is secondary. This is the third instance of verbal abuse in a handful of months. Hope he figures out something that helps.
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We've seen worse behaviour towards officials not resulting in a default

Sure, give him a code violation warning but a default is going too far

Good thing we'll have no more line judges so this won't happen again in the future
 
jm1980 said:
We've seen worse behaviour towards official not resulting in a default

Sure, give him a code violation warning but a default is going too far
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There are rules for it. If umpires are leniant, it's not because the players didn't deserve it. It was because people have paid money for tickets.
It's judgement call

Enforce rules and punish players but would also see people suffer.

But right is always right. It's not wrong because 99% of the time wrong won.
 
nolefam_2024 said:
There are rules for it. If umpires are leniant, it's not because the players didn't deserve it. It was because people have paid money for tickets.
It's judgement call

Enforce rules and punish players but would also see people suffer.

But right is always right. It's not wrong because 99% of the time wrong won.
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If the rules are not consistently enforced, then we have a problem
 
I know there's some calling the line judge soft for getting upset and tattling, but these guys don't get paid nearly enough do deal with multi millionaire athletes screaming in their face over a ball. Screw these immature overgrown kids that think playing a game gives then the right to treat others that way.

It's a tennis match, not life and death. A missed call in the semi of a 500 is not the make or break moment of your career.
 
jm1980 said:
We've seen worse behaviour towards officials not resulting in a default

Sure, give him a code violation warning but a default is going too far

Good thing we'll have no more line judges so this won't happen again in the future
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Not really, the behavior will never stop with a code violation warning. Rublev will keep behaving this way like always. But default him then he's forced to change
 
MeatTornado said:
I know there's some calling the line judge soft for getting upset and tattling, but these guys don't get paid nearly enough do deal with multi millionaire athletes screaming in their face over a ball. Screw these immature overgrown kids that think playing a game gives then the right to treat others that way.

It's a tennis match, not life and death. A missed call in the semi of a 500 is not the make or break moment of your career.
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100%
 
MeatTornado said:
I know there's some calling the line judge soft for getting upset and tattling, but these guys don't get paid nearly enough do deal with multi millionaire athletes screaming in their face over a ball. Screw these immature overgrown kids that think playing a game gives then the right to treat others that way.

It's a tennis match, not life and death. A missed call in the semi of a 500 is not the make or break moment of your career.
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This is why line judges are getting replaced by machines
 
nolefam_2024 said:
There are rules for it. If umpires are leniant, it's not because the players didn't deserve it. It was because people have paid money for tickets.
It's judgement call

Enforce rules and punish players but would also see people suffer.

But right is always right. It's not wrong because 99% of the time wrong won.
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Thats a good point sucks crowd gets punished cause of the player... maybe crowd needs to be given some kind of compensation for that
 
MeatTornado said:
I know there's some calling the line judge soft for getting upset and tattling, but these guys don't get paid nearly enough do deal with multi millionaire athletes screaming in their face over a ball. Screw these immature overgrown kids that think playing a game gives then the right to treat others that way.

It's a tennis match, not life and death. A missed call in the semi of a 500 is not the make or break moment of your career.
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Agree with all of this except the missed call meaning nothing to all players.
But to some players that are in the lower ranks - a missed call can mean a lot. No not to guys like rublev, Novak, medvedev, or even Bublik.

But 10000% better ways to handle calls you’re not happy with. Andre and zverev are too hot heads that react in a violent manner
 
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