Rune - A worthy player to take down an Olddal at RG?

thepaint19 said:
Except he's never played Nadal, let alone at Roland Garros.
It takes many years of experience before you can figure Nadal out, regardless of how good you are.
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I’m not saying that he’s gonna take out Nadal I’m saying he’s more likely to than Ruud. Ruud gets crushed by top ten players, I’m yet to see him beat 2 in a row, whereas Rune has just done it at only the age of 19
 
ADuck said:
Stamina however is a question
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This alone is why he won’t do it. If this was a slam match he wins the 3rd, Novak is sweeping away the 4th and 5th.

Look at Musetti, RG 2021. 2-0 set lead, tennis of his life vs Djokovic. Completely ran out of steam. He was so winded and struggling with his fitness he couldn’t even finish 2 games down 4-0 in the fifth.

I think stamina is a massive issue for these kids, whereas Nadalovic are way too good at energy conservation and only giving their most when it completely matters.
 
The Guru said:
I just think this is obviously wrong. I don't even see how this is debatable to be honest.
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Lmao yeah Let's pretend Nadal's speed and movement was not horrible in 2021 because Djokovic defeated him. Nadal's movement was way better in first half of 2022 was way better than 2021.
 
NeutralFan said:
Lmao yeah Let's pretend Nadal's speed and movement was not horrible in 2021 because Djokovic defeated him. Nadal's movement was way better in first half of 2022 was way better than 2021.
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“I watched most of the matches from Australia at home in Stockholm (Sweden). The best news for Nadal is that he has regained his mobility from before. When I watched him last year at Roland Garros, he didn’t move like that and that could be one of the reasons why he lost to Djokovic. What I don’t know is whether he was injured. I saw the real Rafa in Australia."
-Bjorn Borg
 
weakera said:
“I watched most of the matches from Australia at home in Stockholm (Sweden). The best news for Nadal is that he has regained his mobility from before. When I watched him last year at Roland Garros, he didn’t move like that and that could be one of the reasons why he lost to Djokovic. What I don’t know is whether he was injured. I saw the real Rafa in Australia."
-Bjorn Borg
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And @The Guru says it's not even debatle. It's clear Nadal moved way better in 1st half of 2022 than he did in 2021.
 
Yeah, I’m very much in the same boat. It’s hard not to already be looking forward to clay and salivating at the matchup of Rune vs Nadal.

I don’t like Rune’s chances against Nadal at RG yet, but I’m thinking we are going to see them lock horns in a big way at some of the leadup m1000s and it will be fascinating to see.
 
ADuck said:
And hey I'm a Nadal fan, there's no way I want Rune to win, but I am excited about the potential clay-court tennis we might see if the two go head to head.
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Well, as many past grand slam champions have shown us, having a great hard or grass court game/movement doesn't necessarily mean it would translate to clay. Ask Sampras, Roger and even Novak.

I love the excitement that these young budding players bring into the game because it means tennis will survive after Nadal and Co retire, but I need to see more than the occasional win against the legends to be convinced. :)
 
ADuck said:
I'm interested to see how Rune performs in the clay season next year, I think he is a more natural clay-courter than Alcaraz, as he knows how to construct points and play defensively when needed. Alcaraz's strategy on clay is to bash away like he's playing on a hard court and when he's in form it works, but when not he can be exposed as he ends up losing court position in rallies as the ball comes back faster than he can handle (how can you almost lose to De Minaur on clay for example?). So seeing how well Rune has played even on indoor hards makes me excited that somehow he can play even better next season on clay. If Rune can bring the same kind of youthful speed/energy/power next year at RG, I'm excited to see how far he can go. I would rather someone like Rune who is a natural clay-courter beat Nadal in a RG final than Alcaraz.
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No way Rune can take out Rafa, his serve is bad and on slow clay Rafa will blast winners left and right.
 
ADuck said:
It's not about a simple win/loss at Paris Masters, it's about the form he showed there, in combination with the style of tennis Rune plays which I believe makes him better suited to clay courts. I'm just super surprised how well Rune played, I've never seen him play that well, even on clay. Maybe he can level up even further then on clay?
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The crucial word here is form.
It's impressive what he showed at the tournament,but to replicate that on b2b masters at least for now is the next challenge for him.
Not beating Rafa at RG.

I would not be surprised if he starts playing garbage in January-April.
 
I think it's possible Rune could be the next new RG champion. 2023 might be too soon for the youngster but we'll know more after AO and even more when we get to the next clay season. He has improved physically huge amounts already this year. If he keeps improving over the next six months, anything is possible.
 
If Nadal is fit and in form, I think he’ll find a way to win with his mental strength and ability to “find solutions”. But if Rune plays like he did this week (with maturity and confidence), he’s going to have chances and I would see it being a close 4 or even 5 set affair.
 
D.Nalby12 said:
Rune is junior FO champion. He made quarters in this year's FO. Clay could be his best surface. Not all clay courters suck indoors Lol.
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There have been literally 1000s of junior champion who didn't make it to seniors ,so thats a bad reasoning here.

Rune should try breathing Casper first at RG before thinking of taking on big guns. Could be should be is favourite word of Fed fans it seems.
 
NeutralFan said:
There have been literally 1000s of junior champion who didn't make it to seniors ,so thats a bad reasoning here.

Rune should try breathing Casper first at RG before thinking of taking on big guns. Could be should be is favourite word of Fed fans it seems.
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He was legitimately the better player in the first 3 sets of that match, up a break in the 3rd before his legs just collapsed. Plus he beat Tsitsipas on clay, pretty comprehensively, and Zverev that same season. Yeah he hasn’t played Djokodal but he’s already proven he can beat the NextGens easily.

Ruud knew he dodged a bullet by the 3rd set TB, if you look at his reaction.
 
NeutralFan said:
There have been literally 1000s of junior champion who didn't make it to seniors ,so thats a bad reasoning here.

Rune should try breathing Casper first at RG before thinking of taking on big guns. Could be should be is favourite word of Fed fans it seems.
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The next time they meet, Ruud is going to lose, mark my words
 
Kralingen said:
He was legitimately the better player in the first 3 sets of that match, up a break in the 3rd before his legs just collapsed. Plus he beat Tsitsipas on clay, pretty comprehensively, and Zverev that same season. Yeah he hasn’t played Djokodal but he’s already proven he can beat the NextGens easily.

Ruud knew he dodged a bullet by the 3rd set TB, if you look at his reaction.
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I didn't say Rune can't be a great player but reasoning that he was a junior number one is irrelevant in tennis terms since junior number one doesn't necessarily do well in seniors. As far as Ruud match is concerned well , i won't call it better player in 3 sets when you lose it . Plus, Tsisitpas has been losing to nobodies this year and has been hitting new lows since 2021RG final , so i don't know how much this win counts. I am not saying Rune can't be a great player but those reasoning are kinda meh. Going by your logic Z should have become a world beater by now since he Took a far better player in Nadal to 5 won WTF in his early days but we know things don't work like this. Cheers.
 
ADuck said:
Alcaraz's strategy on clay is to bash away like he's playing on a hard court
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What about his drop shot, which is a devastating shot on clay? Alcaraz has one of the best drop shots I've ever seen on clay. His disguise on the shot is incredible.
 
The Guru said:
Then Rafa is ****ed. He's still a solid mover but compared to even a few years ago he looks like he's pulling a plow. Luckily he has the best FH ever which could carry him through but he doesn't hold a candle to the best movers nowadays. Alcaraz can run circles around him physically at this point.
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Rafa is still the smartest mover on Clay.
 
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ADuck said:
I think taking a strategy that worked well against Djokovic on indoor hard and using that as a way to argue that he can't beat Nadal on clay is an invalid argument. Even though it's unlikely he will beat Nadal on clay at RG, players are certainly capable of adjusting their game depending on the surface and opponent.
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I still think Nadal's extreme angles off the FH are just too much at RG for holger.
 
BeatlesFan said:
What about his drop shot, which is a devastating shot on clay? Alcaraz has one of the best drop shots I've ever seen on clay. His disguise on the shot is incredible.
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Nope. Alcaraz is now a mug because he was injured and was poor at the end of the season. Rune will every match he plays from now on -- until he doesn't and this forum ****s on him just the same.
 
weakera said:
His FH is a cheat code and when his BH is firing as well like it was versus Ruud in the Final the opponent has 0.00 chance.
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I don't think his BH against Ruud is what I'd call a firing BH, because Nadal never needed to come out of the 2nd gear in that match. In the match against Novak however, the Rafa BH was absolutely lethal.
 
Rafa4LifeEver said:
I don't think his BH against Ruud is what I'd call a firing BH, because Nadal never needed to come out of the 2nd gear in that match. In the match against Novak however, the Rafa BH was absolutely lethal.
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Ruud targeted Nadal's BH and got burned repeatedly for it, he even said after the match IIRC was his plan to target the backhand because the forehand is unstoppable and it burned him.

It was so poetic that Djokovic tried his impotent, pathetic loopy forehand on match point into a crushed Nadal backhand. Only worked in 2021 because Nadal was one-foot.
 
weakera said:
Ruud targeted Nadal's BH and got burned repeatedly for it, he even said after the match IIRC was his plan to target the backhand because the forehand is unstoppable and it burned him.
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Because Ruud's FH is extremely overrated. Nadal didn't need to come out of 2nd gear; as he'd already done the hard work in the 3 rounds before that to beat Djokovic, Zverev and Felix Auger Aliassime
 
Rafa4LifeEver said:
Because Ruud's FH is extremely overrated. Nadal didn't need to come out of 2nd gear; as he'd already done the hard work in the 3 rounds before that to beat Djokovic, Zverev and Felix Auger Aliassime
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Nadal didn't need to work as hard because his balls had life they didn't in the conditions in the prior 3 matches. It was the first sunny match Rafa played of the tournament and his balls were unstoppable (pause).
 
weakera said:
Ruud targeted Nadal's BH and got burned repeatedly for it, he even said after the match IIRC was his plan to target the backhand because the forehand is unstoppable and it burned him.

It was so poetic that Djokovic tried his impotent, pathetic loopy forehand on match point into a crushed Nadal backhand. Only worked in 2021 because Nadal was one-foot.
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Lol, Djokovic played like **** and still had SP to take it to a fifth. What's funny is Nadal trying to hit loopy forehands on indoor hard courts and thinking it will have any effect.
 
BauerAlmeida said:
Lol, Djokovic played like **** and still had SP to take it to a fifth. What's funny is Nadal trying to hit loopy forehands on indoor hard courts and thinking it will have any effect.
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Nice cope, kiddo! Djokovic was on a 22-set winning streak and got stopped dead in his tracks EVEN though he had the advantage of nighttime conditions.

Funny how Djokovic didn't drop a set for three weeks then all of the sudden played poorly against Nadal, what a weird coinky-dink lol.
 
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weakera said:
Nice cope, kiddo! Djokovic was on a 22-set winning streak and got stopped dead in his tracks EVEN though he had the advantage of nighttime conditions.

Funny how Djokovic didn't drop a set for three weeks then all of the sudden played poorly against Nadal, what a weird coinky-dink lol.
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Lol, he didn't play at his best after the long break. He lost to Fochina and Vesely and was bageled by Rublev. Only at Wimbledon he finally played his best, and since then went on to win 3 events and make the final in the fourth one on a 20-match winning streak.


And so what if he lost to Nadal anyway lol? It's Nadal's pet slam and Djokovic's worst. He is the one supposed to win there, ESPECIALLY if he lost the previous year. 3 losses at his pet slam against his main rival, two of them in a row would look bad.
 
BauerAlmeida said:
Lol, he didn't play at his best after the long break. He lost to Fochina and Vesely and was bageled by Rublev. Only at Wimbledon he finally played his best, and since then went on to win 3 events and make the final in the fourth one on a 20-match winning streak.


And so what if he lost to Nadal anyway lol? It's Nadal's pet slam and Djokovic's worst. He is the one supposed to win there, ESPECIALLY if he lost the previous year. 3 losses at his pet slam against his main rival, two of them in a row would look bad.
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22 sets win streak in the lead up to the Nadal match. Then his form disappeared like magic!

:-D :-D :-D :-D
 
Rosstour said:
I believe the thread title was "A worthy player to take down Oldal", not "Who is the favorite for RG"...no?

Rafa will have to play some matches before the Final, no?

The point is that Rune showed he wasn't scared of Djok on a surface that favors Djok...if he takes it right to Rafa on clay, he may have a similar result. Let's also remember clay is his favorite surface...
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You will be favourite for RG if you're worthy opponent to take down Rafa there, that's common sense lol
 
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