Rune is way more overrated than Sinner. Since Sinner isn't overrated at all

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Never any real media hype around Sinner. Hardly anyone talks about him. , despite taking a 2 set lead over Djokovic at Wimbledon and would have EASILY won Wimbledon if Djoker didn't stop him. And has downed Carlos a few times All people talk about is Carlos/Rune as the "next big things". Rune is now Ruud's pigeon and literally can't do anything at all best of 5 LOL. Sinner will have multiple slams before Rune gets his first
 
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I know I'm biased as a Rune fan - but damn man, give him a break.
He's 20 years old, has beaten five top 10 players to win his first ATP 1000, and reached 2 GS QF's already.

He's not gonna get results nearly as good as Alcaraz or any of the Big 3, but the rest of the future gen doesn't look super scary, and he should have at least 13 good years left with a likely peak in about 5-6 years
 
Remember how Murray and Djokovic used to cramp and tire out all the time when they were teens/early 20s. You can fix that issue. You can't fix not being an elite athlete and that's Sinner's biggest problem. Berdych is Sinner's most common comp and he did everything better serve FH BH volleys all clearly better (imo) and he won one big title. Sinner's a better mover but he's not elite and that's what it takes unless you have overwhelming weaponry like Stan and A-Rod.
 
@Sampras-Bruguera 1993 Sinners serve is too big of a weakness right now. Let him reach a final first. He had the draw wide open in front of him and he blew it away to pieces. Extremely disappointing. Let’s see what he does at Wimbledon and USO, and from there let’s see his career prospects. If he doesn’t make a final this year, something is seriously wrong
 
Sampras-Bruguera 1993 said:
Never any real media hype around Sinner. Hardly anyone talks about him. , despite taking a 2 set lead over Djokovic at Wimbledon and would have EASILY won Wimbledon if Djoker didn't stop him. And has downed Carlos a few times All people talk about is Carlos/Rune as the "next big things". Rune is now Ruud's pigeon and literally can't do anything at all best of 5 LOL. Sinner will have multiple slams before Rune gets his first
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Why would the media talk about Sinner? He hasn’t achieved anything significant. At least Rune has a masters.
 
tennis3 said:
Rune lays an absolute egg against everybody’s favorite whipping boy and nobody says a word.

Why does he get a pass and Zverev, Sinner and especially Stef don’t?
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Isn't Rune a whole 5 years younger than Zverev / Tsitsipas and couple of years younger to Alcaraz / Sinner ?
 
Sampras-Bruguera 1993 said:
Never any real media hype around Sinner. Hardly anyone talks about him. , despite taking a 2 set lead over Djokovic at Wimbledon and would have EASILY won Wimbledon if Djoker didn't stop him. And has downed Carlos a few times All people talk about is Carlos/Rune as the "next big things". Rune is now Ruud's pigeon and literally can't do anything at all best of 5 LOL. Sinner will have multiple slams before Rune gets his first
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All you do is dump on soft/snowflake next-genners who collapse mentally, yet you're also repping hard for one of the most egregious examples. It makes no sense
 
Sinner's PR agency goes pretty hard on TTW postings to be fair
Not much budget left for trivialities like features and interviews when you've got the GPPD content mill on monthly retainer
 
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The Guru said:
Remember how Murray and Djokovic used to cramp and tire out all the time when they were teens/early 20s. You can fix that issue. You can't fix not being an elite athlete and that's Sinner's biggest problem. Berdych is Sinner's most common comp and he did everything better serve FH BH volleys all clearly better (imo) and he won one big title. Sinner's a better mover but he's not elite and that's what it takes unless you have overwhelming weaponry like Stan and A-Rod.
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I don't see how his lack of athleticism hinders his offense or defense. Being athletic for tennis is mainly important for defense and net coverage. He is not explosive, but I don't think that's what's holding him back. He is at least explosive or lanky enough to high some high power serves and groundstrokes, but his confidence at the net and serving is non-existent at times. For example, he is slower than rune and alcaraz, but I don't think that made for a huge gap in his defensive capabilities in those matches.
 
ShovelBackhand said:
I don't see how his lack of athleticism hinders his offense or defense. Being athletic for tennis is mainly important for defense and net coverage. He is not explosive, but I don't think that's what's holding him back. He is at least explosive or lanky enough to high some high power serves and groundstrokes, but his confidence at the net and serving is non-existent at times. For example, he is slower than rune and alcaraz, but I don't think that made for a huge gap in his defensive capabilities in those matches.
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Huh?

I think there is a significant difference between him and Rune and Alcaraz defensively. Movement is also extremely important offensively to put yourself in the best spots to attack. I agree that his meh serve is also a big issue. Serve and movement are the pillars of the game and he's just not great at both.
 
The Guru said:
Huh?

I think there is a significant difference between him and Rune and Alcaraz defensively. Movement is also extremely important offensively to put yourself in the best spots to attack. I agree that his meh serve is also a big issue. Serve and movement are the pillars of the game and he's just not great at both.
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I really don't think there is even a noticeable gap in defensive ability between him and Rune, and I don't think its huge between him and carlos either. He is a great defender, and his long limbs and flexibility make for some good court coverage. He mainly isn't as agile at the net or in transition as either, but i think a big thing is he doesn't have the hands of either yet because it is a neglected part of his baseline basher game. He's trying to implement some softer touches, but it's not natural to him. Regardless I think he's still got potential because of his ability to tolerate and give pace on top of being a great returner. His defensive backhands are top notch, and he really gets to a lot of dropshots that his speed doesn't seem to render possible. He doesn't have the soft touch of alcaraz and rune to really play that cat and mouse up there sure, but I think this can be worked on. Did you see Sinner and Rune's match in Monte Carlo. I am not seeing the gaps you are seeing being appreciable except in serve and bravado.
 
TheNachoMan said:
Thomas Muller is 37 or 38 in my mind. He’s been around forever.
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He played his best World Cup in 2010, with 20. That's why it feels like that. I remember when Diego Maradona didn't recognize him after a friendly match and asked to remove him from a press conference. Müller stayed very calm and just said: "Well, then I hope he'll get to know me at the World Cup".

And Müller backed it up: He scored his first goal against Argentina in the 2nd minute and they won 4-0 in the end. Before the match Maradona said that Germany wouldn't be a dangerous opponent. He was a total meme in Germany after that match. Really, by his recognition here you could have thought that he had never been anything else than a nonsense talker and drug addict.
 
Even the media recognise Sinner's limitations and choking talents. He also makes Thiem look like the centre of attention at a dinner party.
Rune is easier to hype too (gives young Agassi vibes and has character) and he has PM in his corner. For some reason, the media are drawn to the snake oil salesman.
 
Sinner is EXTREMELY overrated. He's got the tools but lacks the soul and consistency so far. He could make it but window closes a bit for him every day.

Rune is a bit overrated. Still raw around the edges, terrible gamesmanship and consistency/stamina. Still ways to go but can get there.

Alcaraz is fairly rated. Dude is there. GS winner and world's #1, a once-in-a-generation talent. Only injury/mental issues would have a chance at stopping him.
 
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Isn't Rune a whole 5 years younger than Zverev / Tsitsipas and couple of years younger to Alcaraz / Sinner ?
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Rune born same year as Alcaraz (2003). Age comparisons are useless anyway. Some have early success, some bloom late and some like the Big 3 have kept winning for a very long period starting from quite young to mid-to-late 30s
 
SteffiGoat said:
Rune born same year as Alcaraz (2003). Age comparisons are useless anyway. Some have early success, some bloom late and some like the Big 3 have kept winning for a very long period starting from quite young to mid-to-late 30s
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He's actually a bit older (a month or so) than Carlos, who's the youngest of them all. As for the age thing, I agree up to a point. Sinner will be 22 in a few months and still hasn't made it past a QF at a GS event. At that age most ATG had already won a major, and those who hadn't were at least making It to the latest stages of those events. As I said, window starts to close on him. Slowly as of now, but could get ugly.
 
ChrisRF said:
He played his best World Cup in 2010, with 20. That's why it feels like that. I remember when Diego Maradona didn't recognize him after a friendly match and asked to remove him from a press conference. Müller stayed very calm and just said: "Well, then I hope he'll get to know me at the World Cup".

And Müller backed it up: He scored his first goal against Argentina in the 2nd minute and they won 4-0 in the end. Before the match Maradona said that Germany wouldn't be a dangerous opponent. He was a total meme in Germany after that match. Really, by his recognition here you could have thought that he had never been anything else than a nonsense talker and drug addict.
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Son, Yeah and Germany couldn't even produce a player who was 1/10th of Maradona and had to rely on a dive to get a red card and a nonexistent penalty to win against 10 men Argentinian sides playing with 2 of their players suspended.
 
The Guru said:
Remember how Murray and Djokovic used to cramp and tire out all the time when they were teens/early 20s. You can fix that issue. You can't fix not being an elite athlete and that's Sinner's biggest problem. Berdych is Sinner's most common comp and he did everything better serve FH BH volleys all clearly better (imo) and he won one big title. Sinner's a better mover but he's not elite and that's what it takes unless you have overwhelming weaponry like Stan and A-Rod.
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As I see it...Jannik needs to develop an all around game. He is bulletproof from the baseline but he is weak at net. His volley, overhead, dropshot, etc are all sub-standard. I agree he needs to elevate his fitness a little bit...but I dont see his movement as the issue. He also hits as hard as anyone . I am rooting for him! Big fan...no celebration and absurd fist pumping yelling grunting nonsense. Great demeanor...how can you not root for him?
 
NeutralFan said:
Son, Yeah and Germany couldn't even produce a player who was 1/10th of Maradona and had to rely on a dive to get a red card and a nonexistent penalty to win against 10 men Argentinian sides playing with 2 of their players suspended.
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The penalty was wrong, no doubt about that. However, before that a penalty wasn't given that should have been one. Anyway, what Argentina played in that final was maybe the worst showing by any team in a World Cup final. They didn't have any opportunity to score.

As for the players, Beckenbauer, Gerd Müller and Matthäus were certainly more than 1/10 of Maradona. Gerd Müller as a striker is just as legendary as Maradona is on his position.
 
ChrisRF said:
He played his best World Cup in 2010, with 20. That's why it feels like that. I remember when Diego Maradona didn't recognize him after a friendly match and asked to remove him from a press conference. Müller stayed very calm and just said: "Well, then I hope he'll get to know me at the World Cup".

And Müller backed it up: He scored his first goal against Argentina in the 2nd minute and they won 4-0 in the end. Before the match Maradona said that Germany wouldn't be a dangerous opponent. He was a total meme in Germany after that match. Really, by his recognition here you could have thought that he had never been anything else than a nonsense talker and drug addict.
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Can't believe Muller was 20 then. Also feels like he was been around forever.
 
ShovelBackhand said:
I really don't think there is even a noticeable gap in defensive ability between him and Rune, and I don't think its huge between him and carlos either. He is a great defender, and his long limbs and flexibility make for some good court coverage. He mainly isn't as agile at the net or in transition as either, but i think a big thing is he doesn't have the hands of either yet because it is a neglected part of his baseline basher game. He's trying to implement some softer touches, but it's not natural to him. Regardless I think he's still got potential because of his ability to tolerate and give pace on top of being a great returner. His defensive backhands are top notch, and he really gets to a lot of dropshots that his speed doesn't seem to render possible. He doesn't have the soft touch of alcaraz and rune to really play that cat and mouse up there sure, but I think this can be worked on. Did you see Sinner and Rune's match in Monte Carlo. I am not seeing the gaps you are seeing being appreciable except in serve and bravado.
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Yeah I'm not sure how anyone can watch and see that. Rune is clearly faster (not Alcaraz fast but fast af) and while he sometimes doesn't recover great out of the corners that's tied to him not being in amazing shape. Rune was born to move on clay the man is a masterful mover when he's fresh. He's one of the most natural movers on clay I've ever seen it's light and day. I don't see how anyone could watch their MC match and think Sinner and Rune are comparable movers.
 
I like Sinner but he is 200% overrated at this point. Choked a huge chance to beat Alcarez at the US Open and very possibly win the title. Choked in some big Masters matches. Couldn't beat Tsitsipas in the crucial 4th round match that was a doable path to the final, the same Tsitsipas who fell so easily to an "injured" Djokovic in the final. Hasn't even won a Masters yet. Bombed at this event coming in with pretty high expectations. No for sure overrated, and I like him and still hold out some hope for him.

Rune is much younger so the comparision is dumb, but he is in a far better place for his age than Sinner is in his career now.
 
ChrisRF said:
The penalty was wrong, no doubt about that. However, before that a penalty wasn't given that should have been one. Anyway, what Argentina played in that final was maybe the worst showing by any team in a World Cup final. They didn't have any opportunity to score.

As for the players, Beckenbauer, Gerd Müller and Matthäus were certainly more than 1/10 of Maradona. Gerd Müller as a striker is just as legendary as Maradona is on his position.
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Umm, Even Argentina was denied a penalty and the red card was a farce , that was the most biased referee display ever. They were playing with a 10 man and then a ghost penalty was given. As far as Gerd Miller is concerned, noone in his right mind ever thought he was close to Maradona. Muller is many tiers below Romario as a striker position. I agree with Argentina poor showing but they had two of their main players missing for the finals due to wrong yellows given in semi final against Italy and defensive showing doesn't mean you wrongly give red card to them and then a none existent penalty against 10 men. Mighty Germans needed a fake red card and a ghost penalty against 10 men? Yeah, go feel proud about it. Maradona was voted as best player of last century by miles (56% people voted for him) I can understand jealousy from the Germans when you don't have GOAT tier players.
 
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NeutralFan said:
Umm, Even Argentina was denied a penalty and the red card was a farce , that was the most biased referee display ever. You were playing with a 10 man and then a ghost penalty was given. As far as Gerd Miller is concerned, noone in his right mind ever though he was close to Maradona. Muller is many tiers below Romario as a striker position. I agree with Argentina poor showing but they had two of their main players missing for the finals due to wrong yellows given in semi final against Italy and defensive showing doesn't mean you wrongly give red card to them and then a none existent penalty against 10 men. Mighty Germans needed a fake red card and a ghost penalty against 10 men? Yeah, go feel proud about it. Maradona was voted as best player of last century by miles (56% people voted for him) I can understand jealousy from the Germans when you don't have GOAT tier players.
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Nah, I'm not proud of anything. I watch football and I am enthusiastic about World Cup history, but I'm not too much patriotic about the German team. Good if they win, but if others are better, then so be it.

Also no need for jealousy, no matter if they have a GOAT player or not. In the end it's about team results, not single players.

And by the way, I'm a fan of Romario. He's very underrated and the only reason he isn't seen as a GOAT candidate as striker is his constant problems with coaches (that lead to him missing two World Cups) and that he didn't play in Europe longer. People tend to forget that football was different back then and that the Brazilian league wasn't worse than European top leagues. Also imagine him in today's era as single central striker (compared to the era with two striker side by side which "steal" goals from each other). And generally football has become more offensive now compared to the 90s.

However, Gerd Müller is the same caliber (maybe adjusted to his era though, because football also evolved). Just look at his numbers in goal scoring, no matter if national or international.
 
insideoutforehands said:
I like Sinner but he is 200% overrated at this point. Choked a huge chance to beat Alcarez at the US Open and very possibly win the title. Choked in some big Masters matches. Couldn't beat Tsitsipas in the crucial 4th round match that was a doable path to the final, the same Tsitsipas who fell so easily to an "injured" Djokovic in the final. Hasn't even won a Masters yet. Bombed at this event coming in with pretty high expectations. No for sure overrated, and I like him and still hold out some hope for him.

Rune is much younger so the comparision is dumb, but he is in a far better place for his age than Sinner is in his career now.
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tbf, Sinner was clutch enough to win sets 2 and 3 in USO 22 QF in the first place. I don't think the 4th set was a big choke by any means. A missed chance yes, but not a significant choke. Alcaraz was the better player in the match with 11 breaks to 7 for Sinner. (even with Sinner winning 2 TBs)

he spent time figuring out a not easy matchup vs Tsitsipas in AO 23. wouldn't blame him for that.
But yes, not winning even a single Masters is a big deal.
and Sinner hasn't even made a single slam semi. Ruud has 2 slam finals and a slam semi.
FO 2023 choke loss vs Altmaeir was just terrible.
collapse vs Djokovic in Wim 22 after going up 2 sets to love was also terrible.
 
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abmk said:
tbf, Sinner was clutch enough to win sets 2 and 3 in USO 22 QF in the first place. I don't think the 4th set was a big choke by any means. A missed chance yes, but not a significant choke. Alcaraz was the better player in the match with 11 breaks to 7 for Sinner. (even with Sinner winning 2 TBs)

he spent time figuring out a not easy matchup vs Tsitsipas in AO 23. wouldn't blame him for that.
But yes, not winning even a single Masters is a big deal.
and Sinner hasn't even made a single slam semi. Ruud has 2 slam finals and a slam semi.
FO 2023 choke loss vs Altmaeir was just terrible.
collapse vs Djokovic in Wim 22 after going up 2 sets to love was also terrible.
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Bro just calm down. Sinner was 2-0 on Novak and had MP on Alcaraz. Ruud got crushed by Nadal on Chatrier and Bullied by Alcaraz at Flushing. Sinner is better despite not achieving that. If you ask anyone who’s closer to winning a slam, I can happily tell you majority will say Sinner will win one. Ruud will never win one. Ruud is a Runner Up
 
The Guru said:
Remember how Murray and Djokovic used to cramp and tire out all the time when they were teens/early 20s. You can fix that issue. You can't fix not being an elite athlete and that's Sinner's biggest problem. Berdych is Sinner's most common comp and he did everything better serve FH BH volleys all clearly better (imo) and he won one big title. Sinner's a better mover but he's not elite and that's what it takes unless you have overwhelming weaponry like Stan and A-Rod.
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Sinners problem is that literally only his backhand is good.
 
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