Running sprints, Throwing Tires, and Swinging A Sledgehammer

MikeyBigShot

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Running sprints, Throwing Tires, and Swinging A Sledgehammer ---- Are these good ways to get in shape for tennis?

I don't believe in steady state cardio, so I want to focus more on interval based training. I'm also training for Judo.

My goal is to be an anaerobic beast who can put out a lot of work without getting tired.
 

MikeyBigShot

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I'm also doing sprints up a small hill, and hill climbing on a road bike. I've thought about doing Tabata protocol on a recumbent.
 

spaceman_spiff

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Instead of long sprints, you should run shuttles between two lines that are 5 or 10 yards apart. The constant stopping and starting will work more of the leg muscles you need for tennis.
 

floridatennisdude

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It's a good workout, similar to what Ryan Lochte has been doing to prepare for the Olympics. I have a feeling it will pay off more for your Judo than tennis though.
 

dman72

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IMO cross fit is the best approach to fitness I've seen in my lifetime. I have a few friends who have gotten into it and they are in phenomenal shape.

However, when it comes to tennis, I'm not 100% sure that it's optimal, as brute strength is not a top priority in tennis..flexibility and endurance are higher on the chain.
 

BMC9670

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Don't forget about the small muscles for injury prevention. Throwing tires and swinging a sledge hammer can get you're arms shape for a medieval battle, but tennis requires repetitive motion and racquet control. I'd trade the heavy stuff for Therabands and look after your shoulders.
 

ollinger

G.O.A.T.
Don't forget about punching a side of beef in a meat locker, and running up and down the museum steps!
 

Itagaki

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IMO cross fit is the best approach to fitness I've seen in my lifetime. I have a few friends who have gotten into it and they are in phenomenal shape.

However, when it comes to tennis, I'm not 100% sure that it's optimal, as brute strength is not a top priority in tennis..flexibility and endurance are higher on the chain.

Crossfit is not at all about brute strength, especially the main site.

I must admit I'm a bit surprised it hasn't been brought up for a bigger discussion here before, hell we had a huge topic on just squats
 

snoopy

Professional
Mikey, I've never tried throwing tires or swinging a sledge hammer, but it seems like doing so could wear out the shoulders or risk injuring them.

I think hill sprints, ladders, shuttle runs, etc are a good idea.

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For those interested in crossfit and strength training this is an interesting thread to browse:

http://www.wannabebig.com/forums/sh...om-Strongest-To-Fittest&p=2567420#post2567420


This guy is going from an elite powerlifter to competing in crossfit.
 

MikeyBigShot

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Mikey, I've never tried throwing tires or swinging a sledge hammer, but it seems like doing so could wear out the shoulders or risk injuring them.

I think hill sprints, ladders, shuttle runs, etc are a good idea.

Believe it or not, my sledgehammer isn't that heavy. It's only around 10-15lbs and the main shoulder involvement is on the up swing, and when it crashed into the tire. I have arthritis in my right shoulder from a yard work accident, and it has actually gotten better with this movement. Beating my tire with the sledgehammer is not a mass workout. I use it interval style, and it's quite a core burner. I have a feeling that it might actually add a little power to my server with all the rotation I use.

I plan to simplify things to just sprinting, sledgehammering, and doing power cleans. I was wiped out in a good way after sprinting today. I had to take the workout inside because of rain. I was in my basement and sprinted back and forth a long a 16 foot wall until I was panting for air. I rested until my heart rate lowered, and blasted out some more. I didn't quit until my legs were like rubber. I started out doing it with a split step and a crossover step, but quickly abandoned it for just regular sprinting.

Crossfit does look great. I passed a crossfit gym and I saw the most fantastically fit women doing pullups from the rafters.

In some way, I see crossfit as the McDonald's of function fitness--- they didn't invent interval training or functional fitness, but they are the loudest voice.
 

dman72

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Crossfit is not at all about brute strength, especially the main site.

I must admit I'm a bit surprised it hasn't been brought up for a bigger discussion here before, hell we had a huge topic on just squats


Cross fitters regulary do dead lifts. Also swinging sledge hammers and rolling over tires, which the OP mentioned, are exercises of brute strength.

Cross fit is not ONLY about these things, but it definitely is a part of the program. I question the necessity of doing those kinds of things for tennis training, especially dead lifts.
 

maverick66

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I could go on and on about why crossfit sucks but I will just leave its not for me nor would i recommend it to anyone.
 

maggmaster

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If you jump right in following main site programming you will probably get hurt. I like some of the concepts, I do believe that a wide variety of training can build a well rounded athlete, I do not like their specific programming for tennis athletes.
 

dman72

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I could go on and on about why crossfit sucks but I will just leave its not for me nor would i recommend it to anyone.


You should go ahead, you might be helping some one. I don't thing crossfit or any other workout routine is the bible by any means. If your experience is that there is something particularly bad about it, you should probably bring it up. Not everyone on this site is into starting a ******* contest about everything.
 

maverick66

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If you jump right in following main site programming you will probably get hurt. I like some of the concepts, I do believe that a wide variety of training can build a well rounded athlete, I do not like their specific programming for tennis athletes.

all crossfit really is is basic circuit training. The guys dominating the crossfit games are not doing the WOD training. they are training in other ways such as 5/3/1 from Wendler. It became a joke for alot of guys to go dominate their games when they never trained their way.

I dont like programs that do high rep deadlifts and olympic lifts. Thats just to much strain on the the system. They have put people in the hospital doing so. And they brag about it saying look how tough we are.

I can recall it being big in the military and than the military academies came out against it. I could hunt it down but the academies basically said we dont like the frequency of injuries or overtraining done by the crossfit. So if people used to high repetition stuff are saying that is bad its bad.

The only thing crossfit has going for it is the women. Some of the pics they produce of women training under their system are pretty good looking. But thats all they have going for them.
 

snoopy

Professional
The only thing crossfit has going for it is the women.


They also have nice gyms with real equipment. Unfortunately they don't put that equipment to the most effective use.



dman72, crossfit's main page programming is not the most effective way to train. As maverick mentioned, it doesn't even make you as good at doing crossfit as other ways of training can. Plus it feels a bit like a cult.
 

Itagaki

Semi-Pro
Cross fitters regulary do dead lifts. Also swinging sledge hammers and rolling over tires, which the OP mentioned, are exercises of brute strength.

Cross fit is not ONLY about these things, but it definitely is a part of the program. I question the necessity of doing those kinds of things for tennis training, especially dead lifts.

Swinging sledgehammers and rolling over tires are not exercises of brute strength, especially considering the fact that they scale. These are conditioning exercises. And the way they perform deadlifts, they are typically not treating it as a strength exercise. They are most often performed as parts of circuits and for several reps.

Funny that you should think deadlifts aren't useful for tennis, when I think GuyClinch who often touts sports-specific training for tennis believes it to be quite functional and useful for tennis players, though perhaps I am remembering incorrectly.


They also have nice gyms with real equipment. Unfortunately they don't put that equipment to the most effective use.



dman72, crossfit's main page programming is not the most effective way to train. As maverick mentioned, it doesn't even make you as good at doing crossfit as other ways of training can. Plus it feels a bit like a cult.

They really dont put it to effective use, and the equipment isn't THAT great, but certainly a lot better than an average gym (admittedly, I'm spoiled with the stuff I train on).

The cult mentality is certainly there, but the communal aspect of it is quite useful for a lot of people that are not very self-motivating. It's unfortunate how scattershot the whole programming is
 

maverick66

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Plus it feels a bit like a cult.

Thats what they wanted. It made them a crap load of money quick because people bought into it. I am actually a little surprised its still going on with how big of a backlash it got from every other fitness industry.

At this point I just laugh in peoples face when they tell me how athletes would be better if they did crossfit.
 
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