Safin and Ounna are fitter than Nadal and Djokovic

[tudwell]

Safin is immune to exhaustion. Actually, everyone on the ATP tour is immune to exhaustion except Nadal. It's really not something to be made light of. How would you like to be exhausted all the time?

 

[IvanAndreevich]

Next time you have nothing better to do, time him again but don't just do it over a tiebreak or a game. Do it at randomly over the whole match and we'll see what the average is like.

No thanks. I can spend 10 minutes to prove a point but not 2 hours. Do you actually think that on average they stayed below the 25 second rule? Not even close.

kraggy
Old topic new perspective.

 

[kraggy]

Old topic new perspective.

Not really, I don't think anyone is arguing that there wasn't extra time spent between points. I think any Nadal/Djoker match will involve extra time. The points of contention as I see were - a) Who's to blame b) How to stop this c) Are the players consciously abusing the rules etc

There are at least 2 threads discussing the above.

 

[IvanAndreevich]

Not really, I don't think anyone is arguing that there wasn't extra time spent between points. I think any Nadal/Djoker match will involve extra time. The points of contention as I see were - a) Who's to blame b) How to stop this c) Are the players consciously abusing the rules etc

There are at least 2 threads discussing the above.

Are you kidding? Look a few posts above where veroniquem is claiming I am grossly exaggerating the facts. She's also saying that it's no problem.

 

[kraggy]

Are you kidding? Look a few posts above where veroniquem is claiming I am grossly exaggerating the facts. She's also saying that it's no problem.

I stand corrected. I should have said MOST PEOPLE not everyone. To be brutally honest with you though, this thread especially from the title, seems like more of a rant, than an actual 'New facts have come to light' thread.

 

[IvanAndreevich]

I stand corrected. I should have said MOST PEOPLE not everyone. To be brutally honest with you though, this thread especially from the title, seems like more of a rant, than an actual 'New facts have come to light' thread.

It's a rant about excuses for time violations. A more subtle one than appears at first sight

 

[BreakPoint]

It's amazing that Safin and Ouanna can play a 5 set match that goes to 10-8 in the 5th and with two tiebreak sets in about the same amount of time that it took Nadal and Djokovic to play a 3 set match with only two tiebreaks. :-?

 

[BreakPoint]

Right, because a long early round match between a guy about to retire and a qualifier is in any way similar to the two best clay court players in the world in a semifinal.

Did you even see the entire match? :-?

What does who was playing in the match have anything to do with how long it took?

It was a very quality and fun match to watch.

 

[Leublu tennis]

They can. They, however, choose not to, because nobody ever calls them on it as they should.

That right. They only play to win, not necessarily win big. So what? And whats wrong with 21 seconds, 22, 25, or 29? I enjoy watching the players, not the clock.

 

[fps]

safin lost? damn. 20 secnds should be the rule, no exceptions, im sure it'll be clamped down on next season, players should play to the rules. the umpires need to be given backing so they have confidence to make the right calls on this. no one should be exempt.

 

[FlamEnemY]

30 seconds and more are fine. Gives me time to refill the mug.

 

[IvanAndreevich]

30 seconds and more are fine. Gives me time to refill the mug.

Holy crap, between every point? I guess you'll next be saying that 1 minute is OK to give you time to take a **** also.

 

[speedysteve]

To bring this up to date..

It was all about control.

I don't know about fitter but Nadal looks worried at times now, glancing nervously at the shot clock, checking he's on time.
With his 'ways' he will not want to be breaking rules, getting penalised, having confrontations etc.
It's taken away his normal rhythm - taking pretty much as long as he liked before definitely gave him an edge, a pondus if you like.
Make the opponent wait, everything is on my terms.

Djokovic and his endless ball bouncing was similar and was I'm sure a control tactic - make the opponent wait and wait and wait and wait until he decides, and then bam, serve, maybe play, maybe a fault, then wait and the wonder when play will start again.
It was about being in control.

Take that away and the pondus and control is to some extent gone.
The this is my turf or dirt as it maybe, here we play on my terms..

There is of course them suiting it to their own recovery times too.

They could try to slow their opponents down between points but that was harder.

Once on their server again it was back under their control.