Safin or Nalbandian?

Who is better at their best?

  • Nalbandian (Peak Form)

    Votes: 25 28.1%
  • Safin (Peak Form)

    Votes: 64 71.9%

  • Total voters
    89
Since it is generally accepted that Marat Safin and David Nalbandian are some of the most talented but underachieving players on tour, I decided to make a poll. In peak form, who is better between the two?

This is not limited to Safin vs. Nalbandian in a match, but that is also welcome in the discussion also. =D

Personally, I can't decide. Safin can strike the ball with immense pace on either side, but Nalbandian has such a clean backhand and an amazing feel for the game.
 
Both are underachievers but Safin less than Nalby. At least he won two slams and was number 1 for some time. Technically they are in for a tie, each has a different game style but they are both outstanding in what they are doing. Mentally however Safin is marginally but noticeably better. When in peak form he just does not care where he is playing and against whom. I'd definitely pick Safin.
 
Safin has had a better career for sure.

When you says Safin has "underachieved" its compared to his two Grand Slams and #1 ranking, thats a pretty good thing to "overachieve" if thats whats making him an underachiever

As for Nalbandian, a very good player but not comparable to Safin with his Gran Slam victories
 
It's tough, both guys strike the ball so clean and both have beaten the best at different points in their careers.

I went with Nalbandian though.
 
So much pace and depth on Safin from that flat forehand. Such amazing angles from Nalbadian's backhand, clean strikes from both, serious unpredictable meltdowns... no, cant decide! my 2 current favourites...

ps: safin has a better overall career no doubt!
 
Both are great when they're peak. Depends a bit on the surface I guess.

There was a good indoor carpet(I think) match highlight reel on youtube, Nalbandian came out on top on that encounter.
 
Here's a nice highlight of them playing each other in '06

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCEJQ0NEe4Y

This match went to the wire (3rd Set Tiebreak, which Nalbandian won). It looks like pretty nice ball-striking to me.

Safin has obviously achieved more, but Nalbandian has shown that when he's playing his best, he can beat anyone. (Unfortunately, rarely can he string together matches where he's playing his best. -.-)
 
nothing to discuss here imo
safin showed one of greatest games tennis has ever seen in late 2000 just remember uso finals
safin is far better player imo
 
what is the point of this thread... may as well be who is the best @ their best...
Henman or Djokovic

silly lol
 
Tough to Call

Yeah, this is a tough one to call. Head-to-head they've had some fantasic, close matches. Both possess tremendous two-handed backhands, perhaps two of the best on the tour. When they're in a good mental state, fit and playing with confidence, they are capable of beating anyone. Last fall, we saw what Nalbandian can do when he's in a groove. He ran through the draws in Madrid and Paris, beating Federer twice, Nadal twice, Djokovic, Berdych, Gasquet, Ferrer, Moya, Almagro, Del Potro and Clement with the loss of just four sets.

After over a year of mediocre or poor showings, Safin finally re-emerged at Wimbledon. For me, his 2004 and 2005 Australian Open runs best displayed what he can do when he's on. Safin's 2005 Australian championship gets most of the publicity. He did the unthinkable by going toe-to-toe with a seemingly invincible Federer in the semis, eventually outlasting him 9-7 in the fifth. Then Safin overcame a red-hot and determined Lleyton Hewitt in a four set final. Surely, Safin's play was incredible at that event, but his 2004 run was almost more impressive in my mind. Before succumbing to Federer in the 2004 Aussie final, Marat took out Martin in five sets, Blake in four tight sets, Roddick in a five set QF and Agassi in a five set SF. I've always said that the match against Agassi contained some of the hardest, cleanest baseline hitting I've ever seen. Both guys stalked the baseline, unwilling to give an inch.

Verdict: It's close, but I would give an in-form Safin a slight edge over an in-form Nalbandian. Safin's serve is overwhelming when he's really on, as he was those years in Melbourne. And although Nalbandian's groundies have a little more margin for error, making him less error-prone than Safin, his serve isn't nearly as great of a weapon. It's a solid delivery, but in general, it isn't going to scare players as much as Safin's. Both guys return serve well and can hit any shot with their backhand. Although Nalbandian has performed well in five setters, fitness is always a question with him. Often, when he's forced to play a couple of long matches early in a Slam, he fatigues in the second week.
 
a breakdown:
forehand:goes to safin for the sheer pace, depth, and angles.
Backhand: Nalbandian, cuz federer said so... no, jst kidding, but yea, a lot of spin, angles, depth, power, control, puts it on a dime, jst so good. but its REEAAALLL close.
serve and overhead: no question SAFIN.
return: tie.... both great
movement: i would say... nalbandian, he just glides to the ball.
volley:tie... safin and nalbandian both can do it, but both don't serve and volley or approach and volley a lot to tell. slight edge to safin coming from the recent wimby, but really up for grabs.
mental strength:... let's skip this one, eh?:twisted:

haha so yea: ... it comes out to... a tie:-? career wise safin. haha
 
a breakdown:
forehand:goes to safin for the sheer pace, depth, and angles.
Backhand: Nalbandian, cuz federer said so... no, jst kidding, but yea, a lot of spin, angles, depth, power, control, puts it on a dime, jst so good. but its REEAAALLL close.
serve and overhead: no question SAFIN.
return: tie.... both great
movement: i would say... nalbandian, he just glides to the ball.
volley:tie... safin and nalbandian both can do it, but both don't serve and volley or approach and volley a lot to tell. slight edge to safin coming from the recent wimby, but really up for grabs.
mental strength:... let's skip this one, eh?:twisted:

haha so yea: ... it comes out to... a tie:-? career wise safin. haha



I don't know... I'm gonna go with the 'Brad Gilbert' approach to things:

Forehand: Gonna go with Nalbandian. More margin for error and a lot more consistent. Moves the ball around the court a lot better to. Safin just pounds the corners and it'll tend to fly even when on, though he has more heat. close call. One Check for nalbandian.

Backhand: Gonna have to go with Safin. When that backhand is on. He kind find great angles and hit it down the line with power and precision. Nalbandian's is great, but it lacks the 'heaviness' that comes off of safin's rqt. a close call. One check for Safin.

Serve and overhead: Nothing but Safin. Hands down. 2 checks for safin.

Return of serves: Close, but Nalbandian. There is a reason why he lead the league in numerous tournys in breaks of serves (i.e. uso when roddick won the tourny. It was reported that Nalbandian broke more serves than anyone else in the field). One check for Nalbandian.

Movement: Safin. Inform safin can run like a deer. He's in better shape. Proof, go see the matches when he played Agassi, Federer, Sampras... Stamina's better too. 2 checks for Safin.

Volleys: Safin. His volleys are getting better and better. He actually S&V more than one thinks. Though Nalbandian has better touch, Safin is just more solid at the net and has better coverage. I consider him an all-courter. Not as balanced as Federer, due to mobility and agility, but good enough. One check to Safin.

Mental: Veeeery slight edge to Nalbandian. He has trouble closing out some matches but when he's on and focused, nothing bothers him. Safin's been known to go off course when the slightest thing goes wrong. One Check for Nalbandian.

Intangibles: this one goes to Nalbandian. He can pull out the drop shot and then when the player comes to the net, hit a lob over there head and make them run. He also changes the pace of the ball better than Safin. There are times when he'll pull off a one-handed backhand to pass his opponents. Very crafty guy. One check for Nalbandian.

From my observations:
4 Checks for Nalbandain
6 Checks for Safin

Safin wins (barely)
 
Right now Nalbandian is the better player even after Safin's shock (probably flukingly strong at this point in his career) Wimbledon, and even though Nalbandian also isnt at his best at this point. However in the hypothetical of both at their best as this topic depicts:

Forehand: Safin. Nalbandian's is very good but Safin's is closer to being one of the best then Nalbandian.

Backhand: Safin. Both have among the very best backhands when they are at their best, maybe the two best. However I still go with Safin by a bit.

Serve: Safin. This seems pretty obvious.

Return of serve: Nalbandian. This is also pretty obvious to me. Safin can rip a return off weaker serves, but he isnt a great returner really. It is one of the reasons even a very in form Safin has lost matches to Roddick.

Volleys: Safin Safin is atleast a good volleyer. David is mediocre at best.

Movement: Nalbandian Safin is a pretty good mover, especialy for his side but I think David definitely has the edge here.

Mental game: Safin Both are shaky here, but Safin is atleast mentally strong enough to not choke away slam semis and finals, with the lone exception of the 2002 Australian Open.

Definitely Safin.
 
Honestly, Safin is great, but I am sure you guys have all seen that Nalbandian, when on, is almost unbeatable. He's smashed Federer and Nadal handily in back to back tournaments. I don't think Safin is even capable of that.
 
Honestly, Safin is great, but I am sure you guys have all seen that Nalbandian, when on, is almost unbeatable. He's smashed Federer and Nadal handily in back to back tournaments. I don't think Safin is even capable of that.

Honestly, haven't you seen Safin at his best? Talk about perfectly combining powerful and sublime. The only thing that can really be said on the issue is too bad we don't get to see either perform close to that more often. I'm hoping Nalby might be patriotically inspired for the Olympics. Marat - I'll let him surprise us as always :-P
 
Nalbandian at his peak is more machine like with very consistent groundstrokes and excellent angles off both wings.

Safin at his peak just hits everything hard and deep and overpowers his opponents.

It's a close but I will give the slight edge to Safin because he serves and volleys better.
 
I think that they are both incredibly even-matched in terms of
their overall game. Both are sublime ballstrikers -
John Lloyd views Nalbandian and Safin as being the
best (as in 'cleanest') in the men's game.

However, if you look at what both players have actually
achieved during the course of their careers,
Nalbandian is by far the greater 'underachiever'.

I have never Nalbandian hold it 'together' against an
elite player in a Grand Slam match, over the
course of five sets*. Not once. I have seen this from
Safin several times - though not nearly as much as
you would hope, from a player of his ability..

*under pressure, Nalbandian is a real 'head case',
whereas Safin has proven several times that he can
win big matches under pressure.
 
Nalbandian. The way he played at the end of 2007 was some of the most impressive tennis I have ever seen from anyone. Not only he beat Federer and Djokovic more than once, but he also absolutely demolished Nadal like he was some kind of a beginner. Twice.
 
Both are underachievers but Safin less than Nalby. At least he won two slams and was number 1 for some time. Technically they are in for a tie, each has a different game style but they are both outstanding in what they are doing. Mentally however Safin is marginally but noticeably better. When in peak form he just does not care where he is playing and against whom. I'd definitely pick Safin.

Ditto, ...........
 
Old thread I know but I was about to post a new thread asking the very same question until I saw this one.

For me it is Nalbandian based primarily on a single criteria.
He was the only player to beat all of the big three in the same tournament. A feat that I don't think any other player including a prime Safin could have pulled off. Add to that same run Berdych and Del Potro.
An impossible and unmatched series of wins in open era history. To do all of that without a dominating serve speaks volumes about his open play ability.
I also believe that he had the best two handed backhand of all time.
 
Old thread I know but I was about to post a new thread asking the very same question until I saw this one.

For me it is Nalbandian based primarily on a single criteria.
He was the only player to beat all of the big three in the same tournament. A feat that I don't think any other player including a prime Safin could have pulled off. Add to that same run Berdych and Del Potro.
An impossible and unmatched series of wins in open era history. To do all of that without a dominating serve speaks volumes about his open play ability.
I also believe that he had the best two handed backhand of all time.
Fail: You can not compare Masters to slams. Safin beat both Sampras and Federer to win his two slams, something I can’t see Nalby doing. Both have ATG BHs, but Safin’s is better. Nalby doesn’t have anything better (than Safin’s) from his game, that I can think of, except perhaps the mental strength.
 
Safin's serve gives him the edge here. He had the game to dominate. Nalbandian's lack of a strong serve was always going to hamper him, as brilliant as he is from the ground.
 
Fail: You can not compare Masters to slams. Safin beat both Sampras and Federer to win his two slams, something I can’t see Nalby doing. Both have ATG BHs, but Safin’s is better. Nalby doesn’t have anything better (than Safin’s) from his game, that I can think of, except perhaps the mental strength.

Nalbandian has a better return and moves better.
 
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