Safin Wawrinka whos greater
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Safin.
spottishwood
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Safin
Backspin1183
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Wawrinka, higher peak and also more accomplished overall.
Backspin1183
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Lol
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Although Safin was by far more talented, he had poor work ethic compared to Wawrinka (and even if we don't compare him to Wawrinka); this is why Wawrinka had the better career.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
But Wawrinka has an extra Slam. Safin was also a beast and deserves credit, but that extra Slam.is heavy.
Consider also how Wawrinka could win Slams on 2 surfaces, unlike Safin.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Based on what? Becauae he beat Sampras at the USO 2001 and Federer at the AO 2005?
Wawrinka beat the AO King Djokovic at his pet Slam in the AO 2014, and also beat Novak at RG 2015 and USO 2016.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Peak Novak at AO greater than peak Fed
spottishwood
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I copied Nole slam's post and pasted it
spottishwood
Hall of Fame
But I'll still consider beating Federer, Sampras, Kuerten(in RG'98) and Agassi better than just beating Djokovic, Djokovic and Djokovic.
King No1e
G.O.A.T.
If Djokovic made a comment like this in Australia, I'd deport him too.Wawrinka by absolute far. Plus he has a one hander and gorgeous fat. Safin is what you get when you drop peak Kyrgios in the 2000s.
mavsman149
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Wawrinka
safin would’ve had had a better career if he tried harder
safin would’ve had had a better career if he tried harder
JaxTeller
Professional
Safin also beat a peaking Fed..
Safin-better serve,better return,better backhand,better forecourt game..
And btw..I'm not into peak 'hypothetical Safin club'..But Safin at his best was seriously frightening
Poisoned Slice
Bionic Poster
Stan, of course.
abmk
Bionic Poster
Uhh, Safin reaching #1 in 2000 is a significant deal.
If we're talking only achievements, its about even.
level, Safin's prime level is better - at AO, Wim, USO, YEC.
wawa's at RG.
Safin also could be consistent enough to get to #1 and win like 5 Masters.
So greatness wise, Safin takes this.
If we're talking only achievements, its about even.
level, Safin's prime level is better - at AO, Wim, USO, YEC.
wawa's at RG.
Safin also could be consistent enough to get to #1 and win like 5 Masters.
So greatness wise, Safin takes this.
The_Mental_Giant
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Nole Slam is better than Both combined, I mean look at his avatar.. it has a subtle off-white coloring; the tasteful thickness of it… Oh my God, it even has a watermark.
@Nole Slam
mike danny
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Even in terms of achievements it's close. Safin did much better outside the slams and got to no.1 in the world.
onefineday
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Safin. But it's close.
NatF
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Love this film. Used to be able to quote the whole thing.
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Wawrinka by absolute far. Plus he has a one hander and gorgeous fat. Safin is what you get when you drop peak Kyrgios in the 2000s.
Huh, most people disagree that 2016 USO Djokovic was injured. I actually agree with you here, he definitely seemed to be off movement wise - just not an opinion you ever read on TTW.
FrontHeadlock
Hall of Fame
It's Stan, I'm sorry. Anyone saying Safin is completely discounting the eras in which they played.
Stan has an extra Major, and more than that he won 3 of the 4 legs of the CGS and won Majors on two different surfaces, which is Massive. In fact while both made 4 Major finals, Stan split his equally on hard and clay, whereas Safin's were all on hardcourt, and 3 at the AO at that.
Safin lost an AO final to Thomas Johansson of all people.
Yes, Safin has 9 weeks at No. 1, but it was during a very weak era where he was trading the spot with Guga Kuerten. I love Guga, but he is not remotely comparable as a player to the Big 4 era. Safin wouldn't have sniffed No. 1 during Stan's time either.
Safin has more Masters, but his titles are pretty weak:
Stan has more Major SFs (9) than Safin (7), and Stan did that in an era where there were 4 legit ATG-level players.
Stan has 2x as many Major QFs (18) than Safin (9).
Stan has never played a Masters or Major final where he didn't play against a GOAT candidate. Think about that.
Stan has 5 years ranked in the top 10; Safin only 3.
Stan has an extra Major, and more than that he won 3 of the 4 legs of the CGS and won Majors on two different surfaces, which is Massive. In fact while both made 4 Major finals, Stan split his equally on hard and clay, whereas Safin's were all on hardcourt, and 3 at the AO at that.
Safin lost an AO final to Thomas Johansson of all people.
Yes, Safin has 9 weeks at No. 1, but it was during a very weak era where he was trading the spot with Guga Kuerten. I love Guga, but he is not remotely comparable as a player to the Big 4 era. Safin wouldn't have sniffed No. 1 during Stan's time either.
Safin has more Masters, but his titles are pretty weak:
- 3 of the 5 are in Paris, which, lol
- 2 of Safin's 5 Masters wins were over Harel Levy (Canada) and Radek Stepanek (Paris) in the finals.
- Safin's one very good with was in 2004 in Madrid (indoors), but draw-wise that is pretty comparable to Stan's 2014 MC win
Stan has more Major SFs (9) than Safin (7), and Stan did that in an era where there were 4 legit ATG-level players.
Stan has 2x as many Major QFs (18) than Safin (9).
Stan has never played a Masters or Major final where he didn't play against a GOAT candidate. Think about that.
Stan has 5 years ranked in the top 10; Safin only 3.
NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
Peak Novak + Nadal greater than Peak Fed and Hewitt at australian open
Anyone saying anything else is deluded .both had almost same difficulty in slam but Stan also has a FO . Stan for me.
Anyone saying anything else is deluded .both had almost same difficulty in slam but Stan also has a FO . Stan for me.
skaj
Legend
He was definitely not near his best. Not saying that Wawrinka cannot beat healthy Djokovic, he has proven that he can, it just wasn't the case in that final.
stringertom
Bionic Poster
Stanimal the Slaminal FTW with his superior 3-1 closing skills at the slams. Safin had the opportunity to grab his, at the time, second slam but flushed his chances down the widdershins swirling toilet by taking Johansson too lightly. Like Terry Malloy, he could have been a contender, he could have been somebody but his work ethic sucked. So much talent, so little brains and heart.
skaj
Legend
It's Safin, I'm sorry. It's you who is not considering the context - injured Nadal and Djokovic in Wawrinka's hard court slam finals, Sampras in straights and peak Federer in Safin's. Safin also has all the slam semifinals, number one position(beats "more years in the top10"), 5x more masters.
mike danny
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Stan had his own weak era in 2016 to take advantage of but couldn't. So him not being no.1 isn't entirely because of the era he played in. He was never even no.2 in the world despite having aging Federer and Murray as main opponents after Djokovic in 2015-2016.
FrontHeadlock
Hall of Fame
True, Safin CRUSHED peak Harold Levy in the Canada Masters final
mike danny
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And no disrespect, but 2014 AO F Nadal and 2016 USO F Djokovic were anything but GOAT contenders in those respective finals.
FrontHeadlock
Hall of Fame
Safin lost in the AO finals to Thomas Johansson, widely considered to be one of the weakest Major champions of all time.
skaj
Legend
True, among other, greater achievements, some of which I have mentioned, while Wawrinka CRUSHED NO ONE in masters finals.
mike danny
Bionic Poster
Sure, he messed up, but just saying that 2016 USO Djokovic and 2014 AO F Nadal weren't anywhere near GOAT candidates. Very ordinary level from both.
You were just making it seem like Stan defeated GOAT candidates at their absolute best in slam finals 3 times, which is not even remotely true.
skaj
Legend
Maybe this is new to you, but Safin was infamously inconsistent; yet this is not about consistency but greatness. Marat beat peak Federer on the same court.
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NeutralFan
G.O.A.T.
How convinetely he ignores that Wawrinka also defeated Novak before final and in 2013 he was robbed off by a wrong line call.
Third Serve
Talk Tennis Guru
Well people typically attribute his 2016 collapse to the elbow injury so they at least imply that he was injured at the US Open.
Third Serve
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this is a close call and anyone arguing it’s clearly one or the other is talking nonsense
mike danny
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Marat beat peak Fed, Pete and a good (but old) Andre on that same court.
Sport
G.O.A.T.
Better backhand in your dreams. Wawrinka has better backhand and, crucially, better mobility (he was way faster) and better baseline game. Wawrinka's serve is also excellent, not sure how Safin has a better serve.
Wawrinka beat a peaking Novak at the AO and RG.
Novak's peak at the AO > Federer's peak at the AO.
Novak is the AO King (9 AO titles) and dominates Federer 4-0 since the AO 2008.
In which universe is beating peak Federer at the AO more meritory than beating peak Novak at the AO?
