Safin Wawrinka whos greater

[Aabye5]

If Safin wasn’t handsome…would this thread even exist?

This thread? I think so.

For example, some people rank Stan above Murray.

 

[Mustard]

Right

Pete Sampras in 2000 was not lighting up the tour. He was out of his prime.

He was all of 29 and had just won Wimbledon, IIRC. Safin's dismantling of him in the USO Final was masterly.

Sampras, by reaching the 2000 US Open final, returned to world number 1, after Agassi had been world number 1 for the previous year since winning the 1999 US Open in Sampras' absence through injury.

10 weeks after winning the 2000 US Open, Safin became world number 1, replacing Sampras at the top. At the 2000 YEC in Lisbon, Kuerten had to win the tournament if he wanted to become world number 1 and the year-end world number 1, otherwise Safin would keep the ranking. Kuerten did win the 2000 YEC, beating Sampras in the semi final and then Agassi in 3 straight sets in the final, after Agassi had narrowly beaten Kuerten 2-1 in sets in the round robin. Agassi beat Safin in the semi finals.

At the 2001 Australian Open was one of Greg Rusedski's biggest wins, beating world number 1 Kuerten in the second round, 4-6, 6-4, 6-3, 2-6, 9-7. Safin lost in the fourth round to Hrbaty, but it was enough to get Safin back to world number 1 at Kuerten's expense.

The top of the rankings changed a lot more often back then.

 

[NeutralFan]

Besides, Safin beat both Fed and Djokovic on his way to his 2005 win

Yeah 2005 Djokovic was same as post 2011 Djokovic.

 

[nolefam_2024]

He was all of 29 and had just won Wimbledon, IIRC. Safin's dismantling of him in the USO Final was masterly.

Wimbledon is on grass. He would murder Marat there in 2000.

 

[Aabye5]

Yeah 2005 Djokovic was same as post 2011 Djokovic.

No, but Fed was at his best and two greats are better than one.

 

[Airspun]

Stan and it’s not even close

 

[NeutralFan]

No, but Fed was at his best and two greats are better than one.

Peak Novak better than peak Fed at AO , plus he has an extra slam. Novak was not great on 2005 ffs, Stan beat Rafa as well .

 

[BenBen]

This thread? I think so.

For example, some people rank Stan above Murray.

As do I

 

[BenBen]

Look at Djoker's schedule leading into his defeat by Stan at RG. The rain delays lead to him playing multiple days in a row with Stan have multiple days off. I would remove that match from the sample population.

 

[Olli Jokinen]

Wawrinka by absolute far. Plus he has a one hander and gorgeous fat. Safin is what you get when you drop peak Kyrgios in the 2000s.

Safin would beat Kyrgios with his left hand.

 

[Olli Jokinen]

As do I

Why? In what stat does he lead?
Tournaments won?
Weeks at no 1?
H2H?
H2H against Big 3?

Stan is great, but not greater than Murray

 

[onehandbh]

Look at Djoker's schedule leading into his defeat by Stan at RG. The rain delays lead to him playing multiple days in a row with Stan have multiple days off. I would remove that match from the sample population.

If anything, Djokovic had the advantage due to the TaoPatch.

 

[Tennfan123]

Safin
Peaked young.

 

[Razer]

Safin even better than Murray....let alone Wawrinka

 

[LeftyMagic]

this is actually a good one…safin reaches no 1, something im sure stan would have wanted. the extra slam might offset it but Safin had more masters titles too. its neck and neck.

 

[BauerAlmeida]

Safin being #1, winning 5 Masters 1000 and making SF at all slams gives him the edge.

Wawrinka has an extra slam but not much else on his side.

 

[Aabye5]

Peak Novak better than peak Fed at AO , plus he has an extra slam. Novak was not great on 2005 ffs, Stan beat Rafa as well .

Injured Rafa

 

[NeutralFan]

Injured Rafa

Peak Nole at AO miles better than peak Fed and Injured Rafa far better than 2005 Nole lmao.

 

[Aabye5]

Peak Nole at AO miles better than peak Fed and Injured Rafa far better than 2005 Nole lmao.

Yes, peak Novak was better than peak Fed at the AO. That's why he has the most wins there. Doesn't mean he doesn't have match up problems.

 

[RS]

Wawrinka wins even at AO.

 

[NatF]

Wawrinka wins even at AO.

lol

 

[Mustard]

Look at Djoker's schedule leading into his defeat by Stan at RG. The rain delays lead to him playing multiple days in a row with Stan have multiple days off. I would remove that match from the sample population.

Djokovic beat Nadal 7-5, 6-3, 6-1, and then took 5 sets to beat Murray (6-3, 6-3, 5-7, 5-7, 6-1), while Wawrinka beat Federer in 3 sets (6-4, 6-3, 7-6) and then beat Tsonga in 4 sets (6-3, 6-7, 7-6, 6-4).

 

[abmk]

Wawrinka wins even at AO.

you basing this on that Wawrinka thrashed peakest of peak Nadal at the AO in 2014 final?

 

[RS]

you basing this on that Wawrinka thrashed peakest of peak Nadal at the AO in 2014 final?

Welcome back

 

[RS]

lol

lol