Sampras never won the Year End Tournament Undefeated - Federer did it 5X, Djokovic did it 3X

Probably have more depth of field in those conditions, then.
not necessarily since tour as a while won't perform under homogenized conditions. Fed would be lunch under conditions favoring serve and volley as his record against Henman up to 2003 shows. Lot more upsets, lot fewer records.
 
Sampras always lost one Round Robin match in the course of winning the Year End Tournament 5 Times.

Federer won the Year End Tournament 5 times without losing a round robin match. Djokovic won it 3 times without losing a round robin match.
Perhaps Pete had tougher indoor court competition? Whatever, a WIN is a WIN, and Pete has 5 YET WINS
 
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not necessarily since tour as a while won't perform under homogenized conditions. Fed would be lunch under conditions favoring serve and volley as his record against Henman up to 2003 shows. Lot more upsets, lot fewer records.
His record against Henman up until 2003 is a small indicator at best, especially given his age. I would need a lot more information than that to reach that conclusion. But you'll be convinced of anything pro Samp and con Fed, so what's the point?
 
Nothing wrong with winning WTF despite losing a match, but I'm kinda surprised Sampras won it five times each time losing a match. With indoor courts suiting his game, I would have expected him to go through undefeated quite a few times.

Many of the defeats were against Becker: Becker beat Sampras in the round robin in 1991, 1994, and 1996, only for Sampras to win the title. In 1994 and 1996, Sampras got revenge in the final.

Also, Sampras beat Becker in the round robin in 1992 and 1995, only for Becker to win the title on both occasions.

Basically, their round robin match was a poisoned chalice.

Anyway, Becker was FORMIDABLE indoors. No wonder that a Sampras not quite going all out would lose to him.
 
Many of the defeats were against Becker: Becker beat Sampras in the round robin in 1991, 1994, and 1996, only for Sampras to win the title. In 1994 and 1996, Sampras got revenge in the final.

Also, Sampras beat Becker in the round robin in 1992 and 1995, only for Becker to win the title on both occasions.

Basically, their round robin match was a poisoned chalice.

Anyway, Becker was FORMIDABLE indoors. No wonder that a Sampras not quite going all out would lose to him.
nother example of the extremely deep competition of the 90's
 
Pete proved he could deal with depth of field, Fed proved he could deal with Smurfs & put up a close fight with ATGs who'll pass him
Unfounded bald faced assertion. Imagine PETE taking on Djokodal level players 5+ years his junior for the latter half of his career. You know, the guys superior to Safin and Hewitt.

Edit: Oh and I meant a career extending to about 2010 as opposed to 2002/3
 
This is just a theory.

A fact is that when both were in good enough form to reach the final Djokovic always won. Same for Wimbledon.
Good enough form to reach the final isn't a static quantity. There's a spectrum of performance that can get these guys there because their competition simply hasn't been stiff enough. The matches have largely been competitive but of course that is ignored due to the binary nature of the sport and its bandwagoning.
 
Judging by this, you'd think Federer was a better big match player than Djokovic, which is laughable. I wouldn't read much into these stats.
 
0 slam or YEC meetings in any of Fed’s best 3 seasons.

6 in Nole’s best 2.
Federer was not peak just in 2004-06. Ridicolous to think he was 15 years in the top3 but only 3 years peak.

2012-14 Djokovic was peak but I admit he was deservingly beaten by Federer, Nadal, Murray, since I'm not unsportsmanlike like you.
 
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Federer was not peak just in 2004-06. Ridicolous to think he was 15 years in the top3 but only 3 years peak.

2012-14 Djokovic was peak but I admit he was deservingly beaten by Federer, Nadal, Murray, since I'm not unsportsmanlike like you.
You didn’t refute anything I said, you just went off on a tangent, implying Fed being peak for 15 years straight or some nonsense.

Facts remain. 2004-2006 are Fed’s best seasons and he got to face Novak 0 times in any big event.
 
You didn’t refute anything I said, you just went off on a tangent, implying Fed being peak for 15 years straight or some nonsense.

Facts remain. 2004-2006 are Fed’s best seasons and he got to face Novak 0 times in any big event.
I wrote that Federer was not peak just in 2004-06 just like Djokovic was not peak just in 2011 and 2015.

In my opinion Djokovic is peak since 2011 and Federer since 2004. They can have ups and downs but when they're in form they're playing their best tennis. Djokovic said in the last interview that Federer always played his best tennis when they met.
 
I wrote that Federer was not peak just in 2004-06 just like Djokovic was not peak just in 2011 and 2015.

In my opinion Djokovic is peak since 2011 and Federer since 2004. They can have ups and downs but when they're in form they're playing their best tennis. Djokovic said in the last interview that Federer always played his best tennis when they met.
Yeah I saw that interview, usual PC nonsense. It’s the typical bland boring answer that we can expect from modern day sportsmen. Shouldn’t be taken at face value.

Fair enough you’re entitled to your view. Incredible for Federer to be at his peak from age 22-38. Thiem and Zverev too strong for peak Fed?
 
Yeah I saw that interview, usual PC nonsense. It’s the typical bland boring answer that we can expect from modern day sportsmen. Shouldn’t be taken at face value.

Fair enough you’re entitled to your view. Incredible for Federer to be at his peak from age 22-38. Thiem and Zverev too strong for peak Fed?
Thiem and Zverev are better than the #5 and #7 of ten years ago, so Federer needs to be more consistent in the Round Robin than 10 years ago.

This is what players say.
 
Unfounded bald faced assertion. Imagine PETE taking on Djokodal level players 5+ years his junior for the latter half of his career. You know, the guys superior to Safin and Hewitt.

Edit: Oh and I meant a career extending to about 2010 as opposed to 2002/3
Pete proved he could beat ATGs as an up & comer to establish himself...with the motivation of two greats beside him he'd unlock levels of aggression never seen in tennis...woulda been amazing
 
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