Sampras with Wawrinka groundstrokes???

Sampras with Wawrinka groundstrokes is GOAT

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 52.8%
  • No

    Votes: 17 47.2%

  • Total voters
    36
#1
Take Sampras and give him Wawrinka topspin forehand and topspin backhand. Would he have won up to 30 slams back in the day and be undisputed GOAT?

This version of Sampras would definitely have won FO. We assume Sampras still had his volleys so winning Wimbledon isn't an issue.

Note I didn't want to give Sampras the ground strokes of the big 4 as that would be unfair.
 
#2
Its not just about strokes...its about mentality! LOL Wawrinka is a mental midget for the most part and even when people put up those three defeats he landed to Rafa and Novak at grand slam finals as an argument towards he "supposedly" Godlike form, i never hesitate to remind people, that Djokovic leads him 19-5 in their h2h and Nadal leads him 17-3, so yeah...
 
#3
Its not just about strokes...its about mentality! LOL Wawrinka is a mental midget for the most part and even when people put up those three defeats he landed to Rafa and Novak at grand slam finals as an argument towards he "supposedly" Godlike form, i never hesitate to remind people, that Djokovic leads him 19-5 in their h2h and Nadal leads him 17-3, so yeah...
Assume Sampras mentality. Sampras everything except give him Wawrinka groundstrokes on both sides.
 
#4
Assume Sampras mentality. Sampras everything except give him Wawrinka groundstrokes on both sides.
You can't just "assume" someone's mentality pal, thats not how that works! :laughing: But alright whatever i'll play your "game" for a while...lets assume Sampras possesses Wawrinka and takes over his spirit for a while in addition to some of his technical arsenal thrown into the mix...hmmm wil lthat make him as you describe? GOAT worthy? Dunno...depends on match-ups, conditions and stuff like that, but yes...he would win more than he did thats for sure...
 
#19
If Pete has different strokes on both/either wing, he’d likely have fallen in love with them as most of the ‘modern’ players have. If that’s the case, it would’ve reduced Pete’s S&V and net dominance (just as it has all but eliminated those play styles from the game we watch today). Just sit back and pummel, admire the spin and wait for the other guy (who’s doing the same thing) to make a mistake.

No thanks.
 
#20
Sampras had a great forehand, especially on the run. It's debatable whether Wawrinka forehand is even better than Pete's.
Honestly, I personally do not think that's debatable. Sampras clearly had a better forehand in my opinion. Also, I think what we are not giving Pete enough credit on return. Stan often pushes returns into play due to his extreme grips, which would be an issue if Pete had the same groundstrokes. Pete was better at attacking the return.
 
#22
Honestly, I personally do not think that's debatable. Sampras clearly had a better forehand in my opinion. Also, I think what we are not giving Pete enough credit on return. Stan often pushes returns into play due to his extreme grips, which would be an issue if Pete had the same groundstrokes. Pete was better at attacking the return.
I guess we don't count the hack return as one of the Wawrinka groundstrokes that we're replacing for GOAT Sampras
 
#24
I guess we don't count the hack return as one of the Wawrinka groundstrokes that we're replacing for GOAT Sampras
Yes, no, yes.....
We do not count this.

There were too many attackers in Pete's day, for a block return.
Stan is able to use it to get into points with the dearth of S&V practitioners.

Good thread. Makes me think of a Stan with the second serve of a Pete. And his volleys. And consistent aggression. And focus.

Multiple titles at all four, including Roland Garros.
 
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#25
Take Sampras and give him Wawrinka topspin forehand and topspin backhand. Would he have won up to 30 slams back in the day and be undisputed GOAT?

This version of Sampras would definitely have won FO. We assume Sampras still had his volleys so winning Wimbledon isn't an issue.

Note I didn't want to give Sampras the ground strokes of the big 4 as that would be unfair.
Sampras had one of the best forehands in tennis, Wawrinka has nothing over the pistol on the forehand side.
 
#34
Santoro with a serve has 20, so perhaps
Imhotep with a European body has 15, so perhaps not....

who is better at the net sampras or fed?
Sampras by a small margin...
Fed did it in era of baseline grinding and homogenization, but still sampras's skills at net were quite amazing to witness... A little bit better than fed imo..

You shared my heart's words bro...
Some of the teens and people who started watching tennis in 2006/2008/2011/2015, talk about older players and their strengths, I feel like hammering in head
 
#35
Imhotep with a European body has 15, so perhaps not....



Sampras by a small margin...
Fed did it in era of baseline grinding and homogenization, but still sampras's skills at net were quite amazing to witness... A little bit better than fed imo..



You shared my heart's words bro...
Some of the teens and people who started watching tennis in 2006/2008/2011/2015, talk about older players and their strengths, I feel like hammering in head
PETE ruined many a day for me lol. I appreciate him more now.
 
#37
Sampras is unlikeable. That is probably a reason his actual tennis is underrated today. There are very few hardcore Sampras fans, he is the kind of person you just want to underrate as he is kind of a d0uche.
Unlikable, yeah, mais oui, mais... I do not see him as a dbag at all. Just a bit selfish, i think? Like steffi graf. Like Lendl.
Less fake than the guys have to be today on soChill and not soChill media.

I like Pete with the bh of stanley and the social media of stefanos. And the bandana of philippoussis. And the hair of LeMonf. And the eyebrow stylings of niko Kyrgios. And the cableknit sweater of rene lacoste. And the woolen cuffed socks of laver. And the badassery into his forties of pancho gonzales. Stage presence of yannick. The Joy of guga. That's pretty much the perfect player.
 
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#38
Its not just about strokes...its about mentality! LOL Wawrinka is a mental midget for the most part and even when people put up those three defeats he landed to Rafa and Novak at grand slam finals as an argument towards he "supposedly" Godlike form, i never hesitate to remind people, that Djokovic leads him 19-5 in their h2h and Nadal leads him 17-3, so yeah...
3 slams, 2 vs. Djoker, get over it lmao
 
#40
Take Sampras and give him Wawrinka topspin forehand and topspin backhand. Would he have won up to 30 slams back in the day and be undisputed GOAT?

This version of Sampras would definitely have won FO. We assume Sampras still had his volleys so winning Wimbledon isn't an issue.

Note I didn't want to give Sampras the ground strokes of the big 4 as that would be unfair.
Well Sampras had a better forehand that Wawrinka. The backhand though would be worth acquiring.
 
#41
Then you have never seen one single Sampras match or any film of him. It's getting tedious defending Sampras when I was an Andre fan, but the amount of sheer ignorance posted here about his serve, his groundstrokes and everything else about him is mind boggling.
According to quite a few people on this forum Sampras only possessed a serve. That’s how he won those 14 majors. Also explains why the likes of Karlovic, Isner, Ivanisevic, Krajicek etc. amassed 10+ majors each.
 
#42
Sampras is unlikeable. That is probably a reason his actual tennis is underrated today. There are very few hardcore Sampras fans, he is the kind of person you just want to underrate as he is kind of a d0uche.
If Sampras was a ****** then what would that make Agassi ??

Sampras was all business and that’s what allowed him to win so much and break records. He set his sights on that and was able to achieve it. Anyone who underrated Sampras should follow a different sport as they must know very little about the sport.
 
#46
Take Sampras and give him Wawrinka topspin forehand and topspin backhand. Would he have won up to 30 slams back in the day and be undisputed GOAT?

This version of Sampras would definitely have won FO. We assume Sampras still had his volleys so winning Wimbledon isn't an issue.

Note I didn't want to give Sampras the ground strokes of the big 4 as that would be unfair.
Wouldn't Wawrinka's ground strokes interfere with Sampras's net attacking game? as Wawrinka needs to stand a little further behind the baseline to get the time to swing, whereas Sampras would stand closer, with a flatter grip to suit.
 
#47
I would actually take Sampras' forehand over Wawrinka's without a doubt and Sampras' mentality is on a entirely different level.
No way. Wawrinka's forehand is seriously under rated. Sampras had that awesome ape-like running CC winner he could hit, but for the most part it always looked awkward and "hugging the bear" like. Wawrinka's forehand is consistent and heavy, and looks smooth and unforced.
 
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