Santoros forehand as model for backhand?

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  1. davced1

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    I know Santoro is right-handed and this is his forehand. But what if he was a lefty? Then this would be his backhand! His left hand on top of the handle. Has anybody tried this for their backhand or know any pro that use this unorthodox grip?
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    For comparison he has a normal backhand.
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  2. Simon_the_furry

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    No.
    Take it from someone that used to hit a two handed forehand, that is not a backhand. A lefty backhand and a two-handed forehand are two different things.

    If you want a two hander that hits two backhands, try Hsieh Su-Wei.
     
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    Look, if you hit a conventional FH you have your dominant hand on the bottom of the grip. Then you just put your non-dominant hand on top of it and hit a two-handed BH. Now you want it reversed - would make you regrip. Not that impossible, but why? It also shortens the reach.
     
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    Monica Seles.
     
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  5. Gregory Diamond

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    I would teach Santoro how to play two handed forehand. It is easy.

     
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  6. Shroud

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    That is just bunting the ball
     
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    shots fired
     
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    Perhaps but doesnt it look like just a limited follow through, like guiding the ball???

    Howabout a fh where one hits the ball?
     
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    You just insulted the Forehand of the Future!!! :D
     
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    Oops. My bad FOF. The way things are going with isner having 27 hour serve fests they will slow the court down even more and bunting will be a winning style.
     
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    All women in WTA top 10 use two handed backhand. It is obvious that if they could they would play two handed forehand. It would be just stupid to use one hand if you have two. Just think. I have just won 8th tournament since the beginning of May. It was possible because all my opponents used one handed forehand.
     
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    Best to send the WTA a vid of you winning your tournaments and an offer to fix their game with your 2 hander. You could win coach of the year.
     
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    Maybe I should do it. I am just bored to win tournaments doing almost nothing. My opponents are not fighting with me but with their one handed forehands.
     
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    Yeah no slams were ever with 1 handed fhs
     
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    Before Connors and Borg no slams were won with two handed backhand. If two players use one handed forehand it is obvious that one handed forehand will win. I proved that if one of these players uses two handed forehand he almost always wins if he is not injured and he may win even if he is injured. I did it in my last tournament.
     
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    Weird. Did a two handed fh ever win a mans grand slam?
     
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    I will try this for real so I will basically have two forehands. One normal and one lefty two handed forehand. I usually play a one handed backhand but it lacks consistency and I've never felt comfortable with a traditional two handed backhand, I never seem to get a relaxed swing. With this grip I will basically use a eastern backhand grip (this might change towards a continental) with my right hand but higher up the handle so it will provide more stability and the left hand will be like a semi western forehand grip. Next step is probably to get hold of a ball machine and try it.

    The bad part is that it will probably be harder to change grips from forehand to backhand and if I decide to hit a slice backhand instead of top spin it will not be as effective.

    Hopefully if I get the hang of it and feel for the swing path of a two-hander I can maybe down the road change to a normal grip.

    The switching grip part, hadn't thought of that at first. Maybe I am better off to just learn a normal two hander and forget about it. I really do feel however this experiment has made me come to grips with some of the basic mechanics of the backhand, both one handed and two handed :)
     
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    No because strong boys are forbidden to play two handed forehand. Only weak girls were allowed because nobody believed that they could be professional players in the future and that is why Seles and Bartoli won grand slams. Seles said in an interview that she had been so weak that she had to use two hands to hold the racket.
     
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    Why didn’t Santoro win any grand slams? His 2hfh should have beaten all those 1hfh players.
     
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    What about two handed backhands then? Also for the weak? Real men play one handers :D
     
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    It is an easy question. Santoro was never taught to play properly two handed topspin forehand. That is why he used almost always two handed slice. I never use slice if the ball is within the reach of two handed forehand.
     
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    If you want to win a grand slam using one handed backhand you should take strong drugs for a long time.
     
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    Fedr drugs no way!
     
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    Maybe you believe that it is possible to play for 5 hours and still at the end to serve 200 km/h and hit powerful forehands and backhands. There were people who believed that Armstrong was an honest cyclist. Try to find at least one person who believes it now.
     
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    Of course I do. Borg did it all the time except with the wooden racquet he didn't serve 200 but the racquet sure was heavy. He proclaimed that he just didn't get tired.
     
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    Excuses, excuses, excuses...
     
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    You do know that pro tennis is a much different game than rec tennis. What works in rec tennis usually doesnt translate well to pro tennis. For instance lots of waiters tray serves in rec tennis but zero pros hitting a pancake serve.

    2hfh is just a sub optimum stroke thats why no one uses it and no one has won a grand slam on the ATP tour with it.

    Glad its working for you but no one else seems to be winning with it. Think of how much better you would be with a normal fh...
     
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    I get the bunting comment based on the follow through but someone like McEnroe bunted the ball and we still consider his strokes strokes. just not the same as someone with a very long follow through. when I think bunting it's more about the speed of the shot as opposed to the depth that results from it. bunts don't go into the outfield really but compact follow throughs in tennis can absolutely reach the baseline with moderate pace
     
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    and I'd love to see the two of you guys hit. who knows, maybe one day i'll stop being a keypad warrior and manage to hit with some of you tw heroes
     
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    Moderate pace indeed. Op would beat mac and his 1 handed fh for sure
     
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    Maybe you just aren't playing a high enough level of competition. Before you hit a certain age, at least in the US playing USTA, if you win every match you get bumped up in level. Pretty soon you'd be getting beat fairly regularly and you'd have to adjust.

    If you are playing able bodied men who can't hit clean winners past you with their forehand, then you just haven't experienced what any good 4.5 plus or college level male player can do with their 1HFH. At some point if you keep playing better players you will see almost every male player has the ability to hit 90mph + forehands that you have no chance to return.

    This is why pros, especially men, even those with very good backhands, will run around their backhand to hit a forehand. The 1HFH has no equal in power, control, and spin when it comes to ground strokes. Adding a second hand to that stroke reduces it's capabilities in almost every way. That is plainly obvious to anyone who has a good 1H forehand. If you want data as evidence go look up the stats on winners, pace, spin, whatever you can find. If you find I am wrong, please report back.
     
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