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My “missus” doesn’t exist.Savage. Did he have your missus or something?
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Kinda like Zverev in a slam QF.
My “missus” doesn’t exist.Savage. Did he have your missus or something?
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If you can't see the difference between showing up late for practice and not having the discipline to stay in the top 100...Awww are you a fan of his? I don't see what rank has anything to do with respect
This thread is an interesting read. I didn't know Z had a reputation off the court. Of course I’ve noticed the drop off in wins this year. Anyone have a link to an article about Z’s attitude or behavior before this rift? I’m curious. Are other tour players leaking the stuff? Thanks
As much as we love reading these things i don't think it's appropriate to share the details, lol.
Embarrassing for both guys really.
You know, I've noticed how lots of people on here are always making excusing for guys like Zverev, Kyrgios etc. on the grounds of their youth. "He's only young, he'll grow out of it" blah blah blah. Then, all of a sudden, they're no longer so young anymore but still acting like entitled jerks!
Fact of the matter is that many of the former top guys were disciplined hard workers right from the get go despite their youth and it soon paid off in terms of Slams and rankings. You start as you mean to go on. Once an entitled jerk always an entitled jerk IMO!
Here is the five time sportsman of the year and the 13 time sportsmanship winner.once a jerk always a jerk? so what happened to fed and his racket smashing, temper tantrum theatrics of the early 2000's?
don't get me started on djoker's early career public image and mouthiness
kyrgios? he's already a different player than what he was an year ago and he's not even reached his peak
there's always room for improvement or change, it's never too late
zverev is disrespecting a former world number 1 carlos ferrero and grand slam holder by consistently showing up late in his words. tomic is involving nobody in his shenanigans except retorting to reporters' loaded questions by "counting his millions" in front of.If you can't see the difference between showing up late for practice and not having the discipline to stay in the top 100...![]()
If you can't see the difference between showing up late for practice and not having the discipline to stay in the top 100...![]()
Resorting to personal insults instead of discussing tennis is pretty sad on a tennis internet forum.my apologies for making you feel so butthutt over such an insignificant comment i typed out.
Here is the five time sportsman of the year and the 13 time sportsmanship winner.
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Once a jerk, always a jerk?
Here is the five time sportsman of the year and the 13 time sportsmanship winner.
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Once a jerk, always a jerk?
Jo though also won Montreal beating Djokovic, Murray and Federer. 2 of them weren't great (Djokovic and Murray), but his road was still tougher than Zverev's. And at least Fed wasn't visibly injured in the 2014 final.Berdman and Tsonga did both win Paris. Jo beat Nalbandian and Berdych beat Ljubicic IIRC.
Paris was always a bit weaker as a masters tourney but still.
Also don't forget the other finals Berd and Jo lost to great non-injured Big 3 players: Madrid 2012, WTF 2011, MC 2015, Paris 2011.Berdman and Tsonga did both win Paris. Jo beat Nalbandian and Berdych beat Ljubicic IIRC.
Paris was always a bit weaker as a masters tourney but still.
He was marketed as a gentlemen with truckloads of money behind it. That's what happened with Federer.Here is the five time sportsman of the year and the 13 time sportsmanship winner.
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Once a jerk, always a jerk?
He was marketed as a gentlemen with truckloads of money behind it. That's what happened with Federer.
He was marketed as a gentlemen with truckloads of money behind it. That's what happened with Federer.
Ferrero forgot the lesson:
once a jerk always a jerk? so what happened to fed and his racket smashing, temper tantrum theatrics of the early 2000's?
don't get me started on djoker's early career public image and mouthiness
kyrgios? he's already a different player than what he was an year ago and he's not even reached his peak.
there's always room for improvement or change, it's never too late.
if we're writing off 20 fricking year old Zed as a lost cause, we might as well throw in Shapo as well
Out of curiosity, at what age do we stop saying it’s their immaturity and we start blaming them for who they are as a person? Tomic and Ryan Harrison were defended for years and years but now they’re both 25 and that excuse doesn’t really work.once a jerk always a jerk? so what happened to fed and his racket smashing, temper tantrum theatrics of the early 2000's?
don't get me started on djoker's early career public image and mouthiness
kyrgios? he's already a different player than what he was an year ago and he's not even reached his peak
there's always room for improvement or change, it's never too late
if we're writing off 20 fricking year old Zed as a lost cause, we might as well throw in Shapo as well
Even if so, he's managed to play the part. Zverev is being marketed the same way (can't count how many garbage articles called him the Next Big Thing) and just can't live up to the hype.He was marketed as a gentlemen with truckloads of money behind it. That's what happened with Federer.
Joined: YesterdayHere is the five time sportsman of the year and the 13 time sportsmanship winner.
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Once a jerk, always a jerk?
More likely in the woods.I kinda like this development of Sasha; here's hope we get to see him in the jungle on german TV in a couple years
More likely in the woods.
He's going nowhere fast as far as tennis is concerned.
Probably around 25, to be honest.Out of curiosity, at what age do we stop saying it’s their immaturity and we start blaming them for who they are as a person? Tomic and Ryan Harrison were defended for years and years but now they’re both 25 and that excuse doesn’t really work.
Not sure what that has to do with tennis, but I guess that's how one gets to 16000 posts? I was under the impression this was a tennis forum.Joined: Yesterday
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So Tomic was immature up until October last year and then became a tool on his 25th birthday?Probably around 25, to be honest.
For males, clueless at 15 is just the way the Y chromosome works!
At age 21, most guys have not come down to earth, unless they have lived very hard lives. If you're 21 and coming back from war, it's a very different thing.
But by 25 I expect people to grow up, and on that basis both Harrison and Tomic are simply tools.
Seems like Alexander needs a lesson in humility. Spoiled brat. Needs to learn his place and he swipes the hand that tries to help him away. If he doesn't improve this part, he's hit his peak and will drop like a stone. I don't like him regardless but this is the truth.Well this isn't good.
Sascha said this in a press conference yesterday:
"There was a moment where he (Carlos Ferrero) was very disrespectful towards everybody in my team. That's why I had to stop that relationship."
https://twitter.com/PrinceSascha123/status/969441572436590593
Ferrero responded to Zverev by publicly saying that Sascha kept arriving late to his practice sessions. ‘I tried to teach him some discipline and humility.
https://twitter.com/josemorgado/status/969773565569634304
Got this from an article translation:
"What I asked him from the first day is respect for the team, among other things I asked him to be a little more punctual, telling him that it was not right that he would arrive 20 or 30 minutes late to training day after day. A little more discipline would be very good to improve tenistically, he explains.
Ferrero has a good memory of his beginnings with Zverev: "The first months he was more disciplined and respectful, but when he got confidence he no longer respected the guidelines that I marked as at the beginning".
The Spanish, however, is left with the good of the experience that meant for him to train one of the great promises of world tennis."I am left with the experience of having helped him win his first two Masters: in Rome I advised him by telephone, and in Canada, in person, with the title of Washington, for me it was a great joy. Little, I have said in the press that I am a great worker, which is what I was taught: work, discipline, humility and respect for others. "
http://www.marca.com/tenis/2018/03/02/5a99a536268e3e817b8b4680.html
Money obviously.Why would any top coach take Sasha on after this?
Tomic has recently disrespected an even greater player than Juan Carlos Ferrero in Lleyton Hewitt, saying because he beat him in 2015 he doesn't have to listen to him.zverev is disrespecting a former world number 1 carlos ferrero and grand slam holder by consistently showing up late in his words. tomic is involving nobody in his shenanigans except retorting to reporters' loaded questions by "counting his millions" in front of.
it's as clear as day that zverev is being an arrogant pr*ck, while tomic has been a clown for reasons we may not know of.
my apologies for making you feel so butthutt over such an insignificant comment i typed out.
forgive me brother
Just because you’ve won big titles doesn’t mean you have ‘reason’ to be arrogant.Tomic has recently disrespected an even greater player than Juan Carlos Ferrero in Lleyton Hewitt, saying because he beat him in 2015 he doesn't have to listen to him.
Also refused to practice with him in 2009 because "he wasn't good enough" which offended Lleyton, his whole team and some other players.
Tomic is a no hoper clown with little talent who can't escape his own Dad at 25/26 years old with millions of dollars to his name.
Zverev isn't as bad even though he's arrogant too - but he has way more reason to be.
Age 20, career high of 3 with 2 MS titles.
Tomic, age 25, career high of 17 with 3 ATP 250 titles to his name. Lol.
Out of curiosity, at what age do we stop saying it’s their immaturity and we start blaming them for who they are as a person? Tomic and Ryan Harrison were defended for years and years but now they’re both 25 and that excuse doesn’t really work.
No matter the age. Also love how suddenly 24 is the deciding factor when he's a grown up and has to take responsibility. 22 is fine, but 24 isn't, according to you
Probably around 25, to be honest.
For males, clueless at 15 is just the way the Y chromosome works!
At age 21, most guys have not come down to earth, unless they have lived very hard lives. If you're 21 and coming back from war, it's a very different thing.
But by 25 I expect people to grow up, and on that basis both Harrison and Tomic are simply tools.
guys do develop a lot slower than women
physically andmentallyemotionally.
not sure if it's a good thing but there you have it
PS: what was that saying? women age like milk, men age like wine
Not making excuses for Z. But if we have someone like Roger who was a reputed head case around that same age...
I think that's because Becker is actually a high-functioning idiot (a bit like McEnroe). He is only of real use to a player who is already basically complete like Djokovic and help them with the support/mental side of things for big matches. The stuff Zverev needs to work on is more basic (in-match) discipline, patterns of play, physical routines etc.It's not that hard to tell how Z is off the court judging by his actions on court. Becker said no thanks. Even Boris doesn't want to touch this.
Berdman and Tsonga did both win Paris. Jo beat Nalbandian and Berdych beat Ljubicic IIRC.
Paris was always a bit weaker as a masters tourney but still.
Disappointing to read actually.