Sascha Zverev and Carlos Ferrero in a war of words over their coaching split.

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Savage. Did he have your missus or something? :eek:

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My “missus” doesn’t exist.

Kinda like Zverev in a slam QF.
 

Jimbud

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This thread is an interesting read. I didn't know Z had a reputation off the court. Of course I’ve noticed the drop off in wins this year. Anyone have a link to an article about Z’s attitude or behavior before this rift? I’m curious. Are other tour players leaking the stuff? Thanks
 

George Turner

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This thread is an interesting read. I didn't know Z had a reputation off the court. Of course I’ve noticed the drop off in wins this year. Anyone have a link to an article about Z’s attitude or behavior before this rift? I’m curious. Are other tour players leaking the stuff? Thanks

His drop off occurred right after that Win over Fed in Canada. Soon after that he lost to Coric in the USO and has done little since.

I'm one of the few here who defends the Zedbot so i say it's a slump and he's a future major winner :) Doesn't have the best attitude but neither did Fed in his young days!
 

sarmpas

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As much as we love reading these things i don't think it's appropriate to share the details, lol.
Embarrassing for both guys really.

but by the looks of it both parties chose to air their points publicly on Twitter. Either way I'm far more willing to believe Ferrero's account. As a player I remember him for having few if any pretensions, he was very low key and very fair. Looks bad for Zverev, strengthens the opinion that he thinks he 'IT' without having reached the highest peaks of the game yet. Routinely beaten the other day as well by a hobbled Juan Martin Del Potro.
 

Legend of Borg

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and another loss to delpo today

he's gotta wake up at some point, he can't keep losing in straights like this before finals, at some point he's gotta realize something is up
 

Legend of Borg

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You know, I've noticed how lots of people on here are always making excusing for guys like Zverev, Kyrgios etc. on the grounds of their youth. "He's only young, he'll grow out of it" blah blah blah. Then, all of a sudden, they're no longer so young anymore but still acting like entitled jerks!

Fact of the matter is that many of the former top guys were disciplined hard workers right from the get go despite their youth and it soon paid off in terms of Slams and rankings. You start as you mean to go on. Once an entitled jerk always an entitled jerk IMO!


once a jerk always a jerk? so what happened to fed and his racket smashing, temper tantrum theatrics of the early 2000's?

don't get me started on djoker's early career public image and mouthiness

kyrgios? he's already a different player than what he was an year ago and he's not even reached his peak

there's always room for improvement or change, it's never too late

if we're writing off 20 fricking year old Zed as a lost cause, we might as well throw in Shapo as well
 
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Simplicity

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once a jerk always a jerk? so what happened to fed and his racket smashing, temper tantrum theatrics of the early 2000's?

don't get me started on djoker's early career public image and mouthiness

kyrgios? he's already a different player than what he was an year ago and he's not even reached his peak

there's always room for improvement or change, it's never too late
Here is the five time sportsman of the year and the 13 time sportsmanship winner.
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Once a jerk, always a jerk?
 

Username_

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If you can't see the difference between showing up late for practice and not having the discipline to stay in the top 100... :eek:
zverev is disrespecting a former world number 1 carlos ferrero and grand slam holder by consistently showing up late in his words. tomic is involving nobody in his shenanigans except retorting to reporters' loaded questions by "counting his millions" in front of.

it's as clear as day that zverev is being an arrogant pr*ck, while tomic has been a clown for reasons we may not know of.

my apologies for making you feel so butthutt over such an insignificant comment i typed out.

forgive me brother
 
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sarmpas

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If you can't see the difference between showing up late for practice and not having the discipline to stay in the top 100... :eek:

Tomic said something along the lines of he was able to make high #50s by winging half-&rsing it because he had enough talent to do. Gasquet had no trouble staying top #50 despite what looks to be a love for partying. What Ferrero is getting at is he lacks the discipline needed to get to a potential slam winner level.
 

Backspin1183

Talk Tennis Guru
Here is the five time sportsman of the year and the 13 time sportsmanship winner.
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Once a jerk, always a jerk?

These are moments of frustration. Federer still worked hard and worked well with his coaches even when he wanted to act like a John McEnroe.
 

mike danny

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Berdman and Tsonga did both win Paris. Jo beat Nalbandian and Berdych beat Ljubicic IIRC.

Paris was always a bit weaker as a masters tourney but still.
Jo though also won Montreal beating Djokovic, Murray and Federer. 2 of them weren't great (Djokovic and Murray), but his road was still tougher than Zverev's. And at least Fed wasn't visibly injured in the 2014 final.
 

mike danny

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Berdman and Tsonga did both win Paris. Jo beat Nalbandian and Berdych beat Ljubicic IIRC.

Paris was always a bit weaker as a masters tourney but still.
Also don't forget the other finals Berd and Jo lost to great non-injured Big 3 players: Madrid 2012, WTF 2011, MC 2015, Paris 2011.
 

Dolgopolov85

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He was marketed as a gentlemen with truckloads of money behind it. That's what happened with Federer.

Maybe so but isn't highly relevant to the point being made here about Zverev. Fed had won a five setter over Sampras long before he was as old as Zverev is now. Now if we put that together with JCF claiming that Zverev routinely turned up late for practice, it could mean Zverev is not working hard enough to address his stamina issues. There's on the one hand the Kyrgios type of brat who just says he's happy where he's at and on the other hand is Zverev who talks a big talk but isn't ready to walk it yet. Though...the biggest hindrance for his growth is more technical than any of these things. His serve isn't as good as it should be for his height and he also seems to struggle to attack with his forehand. He was at times hitting backhands to Delpo's forehand, recipe for disaster.
 

Mainad

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once a jerk always a jerk? so what happened to fed and his racket smashing, temper tantrum theatrics of the early 2000's?

Fed was usually apologetic for his outbursts even during his terrible teens period.

don't get me started on djoker's early career public image and mouthiness

Djoker did back up his early cockiness with hard work and results. He never casually turned up late for his training sessions.

kyrgios? he's already a different player than what he was an year ago and he's not even reached his peak.

Is he? He doesn't seem to have played much this year and his work ethic is still suspect which is why he probably springs so many injuries.

there's always room for improvement or change, it's never too late.

You're right and I'm not saying it's impossible to change just that it doesn't tend to happen very often.

if we're writing off 20 fricking year old Zed as a lost cause, we might as well throw in Shapo as well

I'm not necessarily writing anybody off and I'll be as pleased as anybody if Zverev finally grows out of his cockiness and knuckles down to it. I just won't be holding my breath about it too soon. As for Denis, what's he supposed to have done? He always strikes me as a bright-eyed and bushy-tailed young gun eager to learn and improve.
 

AnOctorokForDinner

Talk Tennis Guru
The thing is, Zverev clearly has a lot of talent - in any era, one doesn't get to #3 at 20 years of age without great natural ability. His 2017 results up until winning Canada were certainly impressive and inviting positive expectations, but then it seems he was overly impressed with himself for becoming the first top 100 player to beat Federer in 2017 - ignoring Fed's obviously diminished state in the final - and then took it very poorly when Coric trolled him out of the USO, resulting in loss of focus and concentration. Since then, Zvrv has been mugging up hard against any opponent who could push him around.
 

Roddick85

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I'm a lot more inclined to believe JCF because you can definitely observe the arrogance in Zverev on court. It wouldn't be the first time that money and ego got into a young talents head, especially nowadays. Hopefully Zverev learns from this and bounces back, but so far this year, beside whining, he's done nothing to impress me.
 

Aussie Darcy

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once a jerk always a jerk? so what happened to fed and his racket smashing, temper tantrum theatrics of the early 2000's?

don't get me started on djoker's early career public image and mouthiness

kyrgios? he's already a different player than what he was an year ago and he's not even reached his peak

there's always room for improvement or change, it's never too late

if we're writing off 20 fricking year old Zed as a lost cause, we might as well throw in Shapo as well
Out of curiosity, at what age do we stop saying it’s their immaturity and we start blaming them for who they are as a person? Tomic and Ryan Harrison were defended for years and years but now they’re both 25 and that excuse doesn’t really work.
 

EloQuent

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He was marketed as a gentlemen with truckloads of money behind it. That's what happened with Federer.
Even if so, he's managed to play the part. Zverev is being marketed the same way (can't count how many garbage articles called him the Next Big Thing) and just can't live up to the hype.
 

Gary Duane

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Out of curiosity, at what age do we stop saying it’s their immaturity and we start blaming them for who they are as a person? Tomic and Ryan Harrison were defended for years and years but now they’re both 25 and that excuse doesn’t really work.
Probably around 25, to be honest.

For males, clueless at 15 is just the way the Y chromosome works!

At age 21, most guys have not come down to earth, unless they have lived very hard lives. If you're 21 and coming back from war, it's a very different thing.

But by 25 I expect people to grow up, and on that basis both Harrison and Tomic are simply tools.
 

Aussie Darcy

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Probably around 25, to be honest.

For males, clueless at 15 is just the way the Y chromosome works!

At age 21, most guys have not come down to earth, unless they have lived very hard lives. If you're 21 and coming back from war, it's a very different thing.

But by 25 I expect people to grow up, and on that basis both Harrison and Tomic are simply tools.
So Tomic was immature up until October last year and then became a tool on his 25th birthday? :p
 

TennisCJC

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I see where a 20 year old who wins 2 masters and earns a few million $ a year could get caught up in the experience. Money, women, travel to nice cities would probably distract most 20 year olds but I hope we aren't looking at Tomic II here. I like Zverev. If he works hard, improves his volley and serve; the sky is the limit but he has a lot of work to do. Showing up late consistently for practice may seem minor but it sets a bad tone.
 

Fabresque

Legend
Well this isn't good.

Sascha said this in a press conference yesterday:

"There was a moment where he (Carlos Ferrero) was very disrespectful towards everybody in my team. That's why I had to stop that relationship."

https://twitter.com/PrinceSascha123/status/969441572436590593

Ferrero responded to Zverev by publicly saying that Sascha kept arriving late to his practice sessions. ‘I tried to teach him some discipline and humility.

https://twitter.com/josemorgado/status/969773565569634304

Got this from an article translation:

"What I asked him from the first day is respect for the team, among other things I asked him to be a little more punctual, telling him that it was not right that he would arrive 20 or 30 minutes late to training day after day. A little more discipline would be very good to improve tenistically, he explains.

Ferrero has a good memory of his beginnings with Zverev: "The first months he was more disciplined and respectful, but when he got confidence he no longer respected the guidelines that I marked as at the beginning".

The Spanish, however, is left with the good of the experience that meant for him to train one of the great promises of world tennis."I am left with the experience of having helped him win his first two Masters: in Rome I advised him by telephone, and in Canada, in person, with the title of Washington, for me it was a great joy. Little, I have said in the press that I am a great worker, which is what I was taught: work, discipline, humility and respect for others. "

http://www.marca.com/tenis/2018/03/02/5a99a536268e3e817b8b4680.html
Seems like Alexander needs a lesson in humility. Spoiled brat. Needs to learn his place and he swipes the hand that tries to help him away. If he doesn't improve this part, he's hit his peak and will drop like a stone. I don't like him regardless but this is the truth.
 
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zverev is disrespecting a former world number 1 carlos ferrero and grand slam holder by consistently showing up late in his words. tomic is involving nobody in his shenanigans except retorting to reporters' loaded questions by "counting his millions" in front of.

it's as clear as day that zverev is being an arrogant pr*ck, while tomic has been a clown for reasons we may not know of.

my apologies for making you feel so butthutt over such an insignificant comment i typed out.

forgive me brother
Tomic has recently disrespected an even greater player than Juan Carlos Ferrero in Lleyton Hewitt, saying because he beat him in 2015 he doesn't have to listen to him.

Also refused to practice with him in 2009 because "he wasn't good enough" which offended Lleyton, his whole team and some other players.

Tomic is a no hoper clown with little talent who can't escape his own Dad at 25/26 years old with millions of dollars to his name.

Zverev isn't as bad even though he's arrogant too - but he has way more reason to be.

Age 20, career high of 3 with 2 MS titles.

Tomic, age 25, career high of 17 with 3 ATP 250 titles to his name. Lol.
 

Aussie Darcy

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Tomic has recently disrespected an even greater player than Juan Carlos Ferrero in Lleyton Hewitt, saying because he beat him in 2015 he doesn't have to listen to him.

Also refused to practice with him in 2009 because "he wasn't good enough" which offended Lleyton, his whole team and some other players.

Tomic is a no hoper clown with little talent who can't escape his own Dad at 25/26 years old with millions of dollars to his name.

Zverev isn't as bad even though he's arrogant too - but he has way more reason to be.

Age 20, career high of 3 with 2 MS titles.

Tomic, age 25, career high of 17 with 3 ATP 250 titles to his name. Lol.
Just because you’ve won big titles doesn’t mean you have ‘reason’ to be arrogant.

And not to defend Tomic here but he has a father who physically and emotionally abused him from childhood, pulled him out of school and forced him into a job he hates just so he can earn the dad some money. Yeah Bernard is 25 now but it’s naive to simply say ‘why doesn’t he just cut his dad out of his life’.

Zverev though seems to have a loving family with an older tennis brother, former tennis father and a coaching team who respect him. Tomic’s main coach is the man who beat him growing up.

Just saying.
 

Sum Buddy Ells

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Not making excuses for Z. But if we have someone like Roger who was a reputed head case around that same age, who eventually matured and settled down before picking up slams here and there, we ought to understand the "process" Z is going through. And let's be honest - Roger's lucky to have spent his youngster years without the level of media (and social media!) scrutiny everybody faces now. Z just needs a little more "getting it out of his system" - and yes, more time to develop his game and stamina
 
Out of curiosity, at what age do we stop saying it’s their immaturity and we start blaming them for who they are as a person? Tomic and Ryan Harrison were defended for years and years but now they’re both 25 and that excuse doesn’t really work.

No matter the age. Also love how suddenly 24 is the deciding factor when he's a grown up and has to take responsibility. 22 is fine, but 24 isn't, according to you

https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/ind...ocky-comments-in-his-press-conference.593375/

:cool:
 
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Legend of Borg

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Probably around 25, to be honest.

For males, clueless at 15 is just the way the Y chromosome works!

At age 21, most guys have not come down to earth, unless they have lived very hard lives. If you're 21 and coming back from war, it's a very different thing.

But by 25 I expect people to grow up, and on that basis both Harrison and Tomic are simply tools.

guys do develop a lot slower than women

physically and mentally

not sure if it's a good thing but there you have it

PS: what was that saying? women age like milk, men age like wine
 

AceSalvo

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Not making excuses for Z. But if we have someone like Roger who was a reputed head case around that same age...

Fed was a headcase on center court.

Fed never disrespected anyone whose duty is to teach and was/is level headed on the practice/training courts.

"Federer fired his then coach Peter Lundgren in 2003 despite just finishing up on the best year of his career. He said the decision was taken because Lundgren became too cozy with him and he wanted someone who could keep him under control"
 

chjtennis

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Such disgrace. It seems some complacency is settling in Zverev's mind and perhaps that shows on his recent results. Becker was a bit like that and didn't get full potential out of his career. Such a shame.
 

Bobby Jr

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It's not that hard to tell how Z is off the court judging by his actions on court. Becker said no thanks. Even Boris doesn't want to touch this.
I think that's because Becker is actually a high-functioning idiot (a bit like McEnroe). He is only of real use to a player who is already basically complete like Djokovic and help them with the support/mental side of things for big matches. The stuff Zverev needs to work on is more basic (in-match) discipline, patterns of play, physical routines etc.
 

Boom-Boom

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Berdman and Tsonga did both win Paris. Jo beat Nalbandian and Berdych beat Ljubicic IIRC.

Paris was always a bit weaker as a masters tourney but still.

Tsonga won Canada M1000 beating Murray, Djoker and Fedr en route... not a small feat...some have won slams not even beating a top25 :eek:
 
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