I'm surprised everyone is siding with JCF. if each of what they're saying is true, even if he does come late is it OK for JCF to "disrespect his team? ". zverev said himself if JCF directed whatever abusive comments to himself he'd let it go, but not to his team/family..
Alexander Zverev on the words of his former coach Ferrero: "I have never been late for a training of my entire career, I can be 10 minutes late at a press conference or dinner, that's all #BNPParibasOpen
I've never been late for practice. Don't know what [Ferrero's comment] came from. Relationship was good while it lasted, won't say anything bad against him
he's Russianaryan looking boy like sasha
Solid point. Honestly they were both probably big ego a-holes and this is just the inevitable divorceI'm surprised everyone is siding with JCF. if each of what they're saying is true, even if he does come late is it OK for JCF to "disrespect his team? ". zverev said himself if JCF directed whatever abusive comments to himself he'd let it go, but not to his team/family..
I want to like the German #1. I want to like the German #1. I want to like the German #1. For a decade, we had a great German #1. Yes, Kohli was never going to win a slam unless he had a Nadal like draw,but he has been and continues to be a class act on and off the court. Any other good young Germans I don't know about? I just can't stand Zverev so far, and this thread comes as no surprise. The guy's got "prima donna" written all over him.
Ferrero has lost it and a complete failure. Wow. This was not the reason for any failure in their partnership and just a smoke screen of incompetence. The lack of results speaks loudly.Well this isn't good.
Sascha said this in a press conference yesterday:
"There was a moment where he (Carlos Ferrero) was very disrespectful towards everybody in my team. That's why I had to stop that relationship."
https://twitter.com/PrinceSascha123/status/969441572436590593
Ferrero responded to Zverev by publicly saying that Sascha kept arriving late to his practice sessions. ‘I tried to teach him some discipline and humility.
https://twitter.com/josemorgado/status/969773565569634304
Got this from an article translation:
"What I asked him from the first day is respect for the team, among other things I asked him to be a little more punctual, telling him that it was not right that he would arrive 20 or 30 minutes late to training day after day. A little more discipline would be very good to improve tenistically, he explains.
Ferrero has a good memory of his beginnings with Zverev: "The first months he was more disciplined and respectful, but when he got confidence he no longer respected the guidelines that I marked as at the beginning".
The Spanish, however, is left with the good of the experience that meant for him to train one of the great promises of world tennis."I am left with the experience of having helped him win his first two Masters: in Rome I advised him by telephone, and in Canada, in person, with the title of Washington, for me it was a great joy. Little, I have said in the press that I am a great worker, which is what I was taught: work, discipline, humility and respect for others. "
http://www.marca.com/tenis/2018/03/02/5a99a536268e3e817b8b4680.html
Sound about right and then add in 0.0 results. Hopefully Zed's career recovers from this poor coaching match.Their stories are almost compatible if you just modify one thing: Zverev sez Ferrero said something disrespectful to the whole team. That makes it sound like he dissed the team. But most likely what he did was berate Z in front of the team, and Z couldn't handle it. That's what I suspect happened.
This has to be one of the stupidest posts of all time. Zverev is an extremely hard worker. Say this about Kyrgios if you must, but don't put this on Zverev; a very hard worker.You know, I've noticed how lots of people on here are always making excusing for guys like Zverev, Kyrgios etc. on the grounds of their youth. "He's only young, he'll grow out of it" blah blah blah. Then, all of a sudden, they're no longer so young anymore but still acting like entitled jerks!
Fact of the matter is that many of the former top guys were disciplined hard workers right from the get go despite their youth and it soon paid off in terms of Slams and rankings. You start as you mean to go on. Once an entitled jerk always an entitled jerk IMO!
There’s only so much blame you can put on a coach. He’s not the one out on court, Zverev is. Sascha copped a bagel at the Australian Open. That’s not Carlos Ferrero’s fault, that’s Zverev’s.Ferrero has lost it and a complete failure. Wow. This was not the reason for any failure in their partnership and just a smoke screen of incompetence. The lack of results speaks loudly.
JCF is incompetent. Takes a great talent and has him in a death spiral within 6 months. Its pretty clear that he overworked and scheduled Zverev if anything. The moron's answer is that Zverev should have worked harder and beat himself up more.I'm surprised everyone is siding with JCF. if each of what they're saying is true, even if he does come late is it OK for JCF to "disrespect his team? ". zverev said himself if JCF directed whatever abusive comments to himself he'd let it go, but not to his team/family..
Nope. He's had Jez Green working with for four years now.There’s only so much blame you can put on a coach. He’s not the one out on court, Zverev is. Sascha copped a bagel at the Australian Open. That’s not Carlos Ferrero’s fault, that’s Zverev’s.
Perhaps the one who went from winning Masters titles with that coach to barely winning matches with the coach is the one to blame. Perhaps Zverev didn’t train hard enough and that’s why he’s yet to make a slam QF cause he can’t handle the strength you need for lots of B05.
Exactly who's working for who here? JCF shameful.Does anyone know what those "initial arrangements" between the two were?
Regularly coming late for training isn't exemplary.
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Are you for real?Nope. He's had Jez Green working with for four years now.JCF blew it plain and simple. You'd guys be screaming if Fraud had a coach who brought him down so much.
Maybe so but isn't highly relevant to the point being made here about Zverev. Fed had won a five setter over Sampras long before he was as old as Zverev is now. Now if we put that together with JCF claiming that Zverev routinely turned up late for practice, it could mean Zverev is not working hard enough to address his stamina issues. There's on the one hand the Kyrgios type of brat who just says he's happy where he's at and on the other hand is Zverev who talks a big talk but isn't ready to walk it yet. Though...the biggest hindrance for his growth is more technical than any of these things. His serve isn't as good as it should be for his height and he also seems to struggle to attack with his forehand. He was at times hitting backhands to Delpo's forehand, recipe for disaster.
You have to be really dense to give JCF much credit when he'd hardly worked with Zverev.Are you for real?
Carlos Ferrero joined Zverev in July. What happened almost straight away? Zverev won an ATP500 and then a Masters title back to back. You need to stop defending Zverev and see his flaws.
Are you for real?
Carlos Ferrero joined Zverev in July. What happened almost straight away? Zverev won an ATP500 and then a Masters title back to back. You need to stop defending Zverev and see his flaws.
Are you for real?
Carlos Ferrero joined Zverev in July. What happened almost straight away? Zverev won an ATP500 and then a Masters title back to back. You need to stop defending Zverev and see his flaws.
The facts stand. I notice when you dislike certain arguments, you give up your stats obsession unhesitatingly and either resort to rhetoric or silly memes. So much then for objectivity. Keep hyping up Zverev till kingdom come. He has to change his attitude.
So JCF gets no credit for Zverevs success but gets all the blame for Zverevs failure? Hahahah you're unreal.You have to be really dense to give JCF much credit when he'd hardly worked with Zverev.Zverev has derailed big time and JCF gets full credit.
JCF is incompetent despite spending 8 weeks at No. 1, a Roland Garros trophy and 15 other titles to his name.JCF is incompetent. Takes a great talent and has him in a death spiral within 6 months. Its pretty clear that he overworked and scheduled Zverev if anything. The moron's answer is that Zverev should have worked harder and beat himself up more.Zverev is physically damaged goods thanks to JCF's time with him. The guy has completely lost his serve under JCF and has really dropped on 2nd serve points won.
JCF will be lucky to have a successful coaching stint with this start.Good riddance.
Philipp is an extremely hard worker and seems to have gotten the most out of his game he possibly could. Tommy Haas wasn't too bad either ya know.I want to like the German #1. I want to like the German #1. I want to like the German #1. For a decade, we had a great German #1. Yes, Kohli was never going to win a slam unless he had a Nadal like draw,but he has been and continues to be a class act on and off the court. Any other good young Germans I don't know about? I just can't stand Zverev so far, and this thread comes as no surprise. The guy's got "prima donna" written all over him.
Let's have a look and see how Zverev goes in Indian Wells and Miami. If he doesn't win the titles or make SF/Finals then he's the issue. If he can't make a slam SF (hasn't even made a slam QF) at the French Open then he really is the failure and not JCF. Top 5 in the world should be easily doing those things.Maybe Zverev thinks those wins came too soon for Ferrero to have had any influence, while the last 6 months of humiliation have come courtesy of the Ferrero polish.
You’re right; JCF obviously ready to move up to Coaching Fedal.JCF is incompetent despite spending 8 weeks at No. 1, a Roland Garros trophy and 15 other titles to his name.
He knows what it takes to get to the top. Calling him incompetent is pretty daft.
You’re right; JCF obviously ready to move up to Coaching Fedal.![]()
Zverev won Rome without JCF. He was basically a lucky charm those first two weeks. Coaching is all about training and development. Zverev is cratering after 8 months with JCF. This is a screw up of monumental proportions and JCF at the helm. I give him full credit for reducing his charge from a top 5 player to a top 20 caliber one. At this stage of his career Zed should be improving not in decline. Thanks JCF.So JCF gets no credit for Zverevs success but gets all the blame for Zverevs failure? Hahahah you're unreal.
Sounds pretty reasonable. Bottom line is Zed’s serve has hit the skids and no slams without that element gettin him through draws efficientlyWhat do you guys think of his latest interview here?
https://amp.sport360.com/video/tenn...hy-hes-secure-about-his-grand-slam-prospects?
Let's have a look and see how Zverev goes in Indian Wells and Miami. If he doesn't win the titles or make SF/Finals then he's the issue. If he can't make a slam SF (hasn't even made a slam QF) at the French Open then he really is the failure and not JCF. Top 5 in the world should be easily doing those things.
If he does do well, i'll eat crow. I have a suspicion he won't though.
Are you for real?
Carlos Ferrero joined Zverev in July. What happened almost straight away? Zverev won an ATP500 and then a Masters title back to back. You need to stop defending Zverev and see his flaws.
So JCF gets no credit for Zverevs success but gets all the blame for Zverevs failure? Hahahah you're unreal.
Zverev won Rome without JCF. He was basically a lucky charm those first two weeks. Coaching is all about training and development. Zverev is cratering after 8 months with JCF. This is a screw up of monumental proportions and JCF at the helm. I give him full credit for reducing his charge from a top 5 player to a top 20 caliber one. At this stage of his career Zed should be improving not in decline. Thanks JCF.
There are reports that JCF was already acting as a coaching consultant when Zverev won Rome, and that he took coaching advice from JCF via phone calls during that time. Then the arrangement was formalised after Zverev failed to do anything of note at RG and Wimbledon.
Could be worse.The most prominent student that ever came from the JCF's academy is Pablo Carreno Busta.
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Could be worse.
Well that bodes well for the academy then because PCB appears to be a great overachiever - and overachievement is generally the result of insane diligence and persistence, not raw talent.The most prominent student that ever came from the JCF's academy is Pablo Carreno Busta.
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Well that bodes well for the academy then because PCB appears to be a great overachiever - and overachievement is generally the result of insane diligence and persistence, not raw talent.
(assuming the academy hasn't been in business for decades that is)
Well, I was mostly thinking about what a striking difference between the playing style of the owner of the academy and the student (PCB) there is, and if that is their academy philosophy how it would work with Zverev's style (talents).
Maybe that is the real problem here?
Diligence and persistence are fine, but maybe Zverev thinks that he has been steered towards the wrong set of values as far as his current game is concerned.
I certainly don't think that coming late to training (if that is true at all) is enough to break an otherwise working agreement.
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JCF was in the box for Citi Open in July and announced as coach right about then.Not quite. Zverev started to talk with JCF during Madrid (earliest reports) but he was only 'approaching him', to get to know him better (at least that's how they hinted it was). They kept texting each other since then, but Z wasn't being advised or coached by JCF at the time, actually, he didn't even tell his own team about being in contact with JCF (this is according his own words) so it was extremely casual. They did formalize things after Wimby, and first trained together at the end of July.