Sascha Zverev and Carlos Ferrero in a war of words over their coaching split.

zagor said:
Berdman and Tsonga did both win Paris. Jo beat Nalbandian and Berdych beat Ljubicic IIRC.

Paris was always a bit weaker as a masters tourney but still.
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I think it has the most 1 time winners of any of them. Of the 21 players who won there since 1990, 17 were, or are so far, 1 time champions. The only 4 to win multiple titles in Bercy in that time are Agassi, Sampras, Safin and Djokovic.
 
Dilexson said:
As much as we love reading these things i don't think it's appropriate to share the details, lol.
Embarrassing for both guys really.
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Not really in my opinion, Ferrero was fired, as such I believe he is justified in defending his work to future potential employees as to why the relationship didn't work.
 
Mainad said:
You know, I've noticed how lots of people on here are always making excusing for guys like Zverev, Kyrgios etc. on the grounds of their youth. "He's only young, he'll grow out of it" blah blah blah. Then, all of a sudden, they're no longer so young anymore but still acting like entitled jerks!

Fact of the matter is that many of the former top guys were disciplined hard workers right from the get go despite their youth and it soon paid off in terms of Slams and rankings. You start as you mean to go on. Once an entitled jerk always an entitled jerk IMO!
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Agreed, being young isn't a good excuse for being a jerk to begin with, maybe it could help explain some immaturity but not rude behavior, you should already have had most of your behavioral morals intact by that point.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Zverev loses in Indian Wells to a guy who came into the tournament on a 4 match losing streak.

Zverev was up 4-1 in the 3rd set with break point to go up 5-1. Instead he loses 5 straight games and the match.

But hey I guess it was Juan Carlos Ferrero that was the issue with Zverev?

:rolleyes:
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he was also 5-2 in the first set and lost by 5-7
 
He's the most entitled brat in tennis since Martina Hingis with neither her unique talent nor her luck of playing in a transitional era. Oh, of course he has a talent for clouting the ball but that's too one dimensional and not quite enough to get it done. And he still doesn't hit the forehand anywhere near as hard as Delpo or Cilic. With an improved serve and net game, he could still go far but he should have got there already with an elder brother who plays serve and volley.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Zverev loses in Indian Wells to a guy who came into the tournament on a 4 match losing streak.

Zverev was up 4-1 in the 3rd set with break point to go up 5-1. Instead he loses 5 straight games and the match.

But hey I guess it was Juan Carlos Ferrero that was the issue with Zverev?

:rolleyes:
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Aussie Darcy said:
I can’t wait to quote your posts every single time Zverev loses before the QF of a tournament.
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Psssst, you forgot to quote me! ;):p
 
Alba Barragan said:
Psssst, you forgot to quote me! ;):p
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That part of my post was mostly targeted at Meles.

Aussie Darcy said:
Ok, let’s watch Zverev have a great few months without JCF, win Indian Wells or Miami, defend his Rome Masters title and finally make a slam QF and SF. If he fails to do so, maybe people will get their heads out and realise that JCF wasn’t the problem and that Zverev is. :rolleyes:

I can’t believe how much blame you are putting on JCF and yet staying silent about Zverev’s role. Alba, you say that Zverev isn’t the only one to blame and yet at no point in your post did you lay any blame on him. ‘JCF wasn’t there when he won titles, he was new, his results fell. It’s just excuse after excuse after excuse for Zverev. I can’t wait to quote your posts every single time Zverev loses before the QF of a tournament.

I’m sure you’ll respond now trying to somehow justify any potential upcoming early losses because you seem to love the excuses.
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I'm just looking back now at that post and instead of quoting one of your posts and one of Meles, I somehow managed to quote your post twice and none of Meles which is probably where the confusion came in. Apologies.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
That part of my post was mostly targeted at Meles.

I'm just looking back now at that post and instead of quoting one of your posts and one of Meles, I somehow managed to quote your post twice and none of Meles which is probably where the confusion came in. Apologies.
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Ohhhh :( I expecting to be spammed, it would've been kinda nice to have so many alerts (Z is gonna be losing quite a lot, I predict).
 
Let it be known that I'm #TeamZverev and I really want to see him doing better, but I found this on twitter and it was too fun not to share :D

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Ferraro obviously just angry he got sacked and wanted retribution. Why so many trying to bring down young talents with misinformation like this.
 
Aussie Darcy said:
Zverev loses in Indian Wells to a guy who came into the tournament on a 4 match losing streak.

Zverev was up 4-1 in the 3rd set with break point to go up 5-1. Instead he loses 5 straight games and the match.

But hey I guess it was Juan Carlos Ferrero that was the issue with Zverev?

:rolleyes:
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Lol exactly.

Zverev obviously has an attitude problem. And I say that as a fan of his.
 
I have a suspicion that Zverev is suffering from an ego induced slump. After all the success, no. 3 rankings, winning 2 M1000s, beating Federer, etc., last year, his ego might have blown up a bit. Everyone around him must be worshiping him and it must be easy for him to be the boss to everyone. That can actually harm his career and I guess the results so far this year is a bit of a sign for such disease. This type of thing typically happens with young star players, but the real stars overcome it quickly, like a year or two. Let's see if Zverev keeps his head down and go to the business 100%.
 
Mainad said:
I think it has the most 1 time winners of any of them. Of the 21 players who won there since 1990, 17 were, or are so far, 1 time champions. The only 4 to win multiple titles in Bercy in that time are Agassi, Sampras, Safin and Djokovic.
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I guess if Federer was not a native of Basel, he might have been on that list as well.
 
Bobby Jr said:
I think that's because Becker is actually a high-functioning idiot (a bit like McEnroe). He is only of real use to a player who is already basically complete like Djokovic and help them with the support/mental side of things for big matches. The stuff Zverev needs to work on is more basic (in-match) discipline, patterns of play, physical routines etc.
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Wow, no improvement in second serves placement, pace, no improvement in his slice backhand and transition game. Just "mental". If tennis were that simple.
 
Bobby Jr said:
I think that's because Becker is actually a high-functioning idiot (a bit like McEnroe). He is only of real use to a player who is already basically complete like Djokovic and help them with the support/mental side of things for big matches. The stuff Zverev needs to work on is more basic (in-match) discipline, patterns of play, physical routines etc.
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Also, the discipline and desire to win day in day out has to come from the player. The coach has a part, no question but ultimately if the player doesn't get the message...that's it
 
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