football clubsThe cities or just the tournaments?
I think tennis would be different. It would be all the top players at one event, not all spread out through a league.
Yea ok. They are drawing like a thousand people a match for most of the matches. Its pathetic. I honestly dont care but I think people overestimate the actual interest there. Not to mention the political issues it would incur. With everything going on in the Middle East, and technically Saudi Arabia is still in an active war against Houtis in Yemen. Nice time for a missile attack.
The average attendance is 8,150. Thats basically English 3rd league soccer.
GK checked out so hard
And thats average. If Ronaldo or some other big star isnt playing no one is showing up.
I just looked at the lowest average in the league. Its 1,886. They have actually one game where only, 210 people showed up to watch.
I replied to your post: "Have you seen what the crowds they are getting at these soccer matches with all these big stars? They are horrible."
They are horrible. Even the biggest clubs with the biggest stars are averaging in the mid 20,000. Heck even the MLS in the states draws way way way way way more than that. The lowest average in the states is 15,000. The highest is 47,000. Again you guys want to move these tournaments complain about Madrid, or Miami. Good lord wait till you get to Saudi. Good money for the tour I will bet. But people there aint gonna care. Its like all this Chinese stuff over the last two decades. Sure take the money but they have very little fans showing up. I dont even watch. Its like watching players, play in a bath tub.
I found different data for Cristiano Ronaldo’s Al Nassr football club. The average attendance was around 20,600 for first 5 matches of the 2023-2024 season. The club’s stadium has a capacity of 25,000 seats.
Grass in the desert of Riyadh?
I said the average attendance with one of the biggest soccer stars in the world is in the mid 20 thousands. The lowest club in their first division brings in a thousand a game. This is in a country of 34 million people. The sports market is horrible there. I don't know what you think it is. But its terrible. Major league soccer in the states is drawing more than twice that average. And this is with 4 other major sports, and college sports drawing millions and millions a year. Put a tournament there. Enjoy the headaches.I found different data for Cristiano Ronaldo’s Al Nassr football club. The average attendance was around 21,500 for first 5 matches of the 2023-2024 season. The club’s stadium has a capacity of 25,000 seats.
Al-Nassr FC - Change in attendance figures
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Ditching an HC M1000 would be better for the M1000 surface distribution, but Madrid is the tournament I never really cared about. It never had the appeal of MC and Rome imo.
They'll slaughter the desert worms and irrigate with the water of life.
Madrid is one of the best venues on tour. Facilities are worthy of a slam.
The average attendance of 'the mid 20 thousands' means that the stadiums with a capasitity of 25,000 seats have been full.
I'm not talking about the facilities.
It's something that has to be considered.
The USA's population is 10 time larger than Saudi Arabia's. It means that the lowest and highest average attendance in the USA should also be 10 times bigger.
Holy crap dude you dont know wtf you are talking about.The average attendance of 'the mid 20 thousands' means that the stadiums with a capasitity of 25,000 seats have been full.
No it doesn't dude. MLS plays with four other major sports going on. And college football and basketball. You really dont have a clue. They have 60,000 seat stadiums in Saudi. And those are bringing in 20,000 fans. Good lord dude. DO some research before you spout off crap. 38,000 seat stadiums with 3,000 fans. Man I wish some of you actually did the slightest amount of research.
I have talked about numbers. The file you posted shows that Al Nassr's (Cristiano Ronaldo's club) home stadium has a capacity of 25,000 seats.Holy crap dude you dont know wtf you are talking about.
Saudi Pro League - Attendance figures
This statistic shows the attendance of the Saudi Pro League of the 25/26 season. Clubs are listed by overall attendance descending.
It's pointless to mention that Saudi has 60,000 seat stadiums, if a team hasn't played there. I searched for venues where Al Nassr (Cristiano Ronaldo's club) played their first 5 matches:
I started to reply to you after you claimed that big football stars don't draw crowds in Saudi Arabia (your post #9):
Why do you think this is a good idea? What reason is it a good idea to move there? For what? Are you the CEO of the ATP? I have shown you how attendance is terrible for soccer. And you throw in some nonsense about big stars. Now what other reason other than them throwing money at something do you think its a good idea to move there? For me I can think of one. Politics. You bring a tournament like this there it may make it closer to the west. However as we have seen with China and Russia that means nothing. I get what they are trying to do. I dont see it working. But ok. All these hopes and dreams sound nice. But when you have a repressive dictatorship they use it for themselves. Now there are no more tournaments or any other international events in Russia. Boy that all worked out in the long run huh? Really made Putin think twice before invading Ukraine. Cause in the end when you put these tournaments in these types of countries it all comes crashing down. Enjoy it when and if you can.
You would have to move the Miami date. Because the players are not going to want to hop on a plane from IW over to Saudi. Or like you said buy the Madrid slot. Which still sucks for the players but less so. You could add it as an extra masters before Wimbledon. But its another long plane trip in totally different conditions than Northern Europe. To me its ridiculous but hey wouldn't be the first time they did something like this.
Doesnt they have good courts?
Once when the Americans were gate keepers to the throne. Now the Chinese and the Saudis have ambitions, any guesses as to when they are capable of producing a top 10 player?
The Chinese still cant produce a good male player. The Saudis? LOL.
I haven't written anything about tennis.
