Schwartzman in danger of falling out of World Top100

James P

G.O.A.T.
Looks like Schwartzman is indeed done. It's been a good run. Currently ranked #72 live after losing in Barcelona, he is defending 270 of his 730 points during clay season (45 Madrid, 45 Rome, 180 RG). #101 right now is at 580, so he'll likely need to defend at least 150 points to stick around in the top 100 post-RG. Will Diego ride off into the sunset or fight it out on the Challenger circuit to try to regain form?
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Manlets are an oppressed species
Yea see people can body shame (or not even body shame, just shame lmao) men all they want, nobody cares, no consequences. But look at some of the daisies jumping on me when I called Ostapenko fat?

Your outrage won't change reality, people. Body positivity is one of the most toxic/dangerous movements in the last 10 years or so.
 

TheNachoMan

Legend
Yea see people can body shame (or not even body shame, just shame lmao) men all they want, nobody cares, no consequences. But look at some of the daisies jumping on me when I called Ostapenko fat?

Your outrage won't change reality, people. Body positivity is one of the most toxic/dangerous movements in the last 10 years or so.
Diabetes and heart failure are in fashion, bud. Deal with it.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Diabetes and heart failure are in fashion, bud. Deal with it.
I'd rather my friends tell me that I look like a fat bum instead of sugarcoating that it's alright to be fat. No it's not alright, just like Bill Burr once said - your organs aren't giving you a standing ovation you fat F's.

I'm not saying to absolutely roast fat people (even though personally I like it), but a little fat shaming is absolutely necessary.
 
When I fat shamed Ostapenko in another thread (something she can change) you had a problem with it, but now you're taking a jab at Schwartzman's height (something he can't change) and now it's ok?

This is just a silly joke, I am not seriously blaming or shaming Schwartzman for his height, I am not claiming to make an important point, (in this case regarding short people) like it seemed you were regarding Ostapenko's weight and overall on fat women. If just by this post you conclude that I truly have a problem with short people then fine.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
This is just a silly joke, I am not seriously blaming or shaming Schwartzman for his height, I am not claiming to make an important point, (in this case regarding short people) like it seemed you were regarding Ostapenko's weight and overall on fat women. If just by this post you conclude that I truly have a problem with short people then fine.
I was. Not just fat women, but fat people overall. I'm not sexist, I roast all fat people equally.

LOL
 

Zardoz7/12

Hall of Fame
This is why I have admiration for Diego, on this forum posters have said that Diego is "unofficially 5f5", I'm 5ft8 and it's tough playing tennis at that height especially dealing with heavy spin either via the serve or in a rally.

He's an inspiration for players who are shorter than the average height in Men's tennis.
 

ActualTennisPlayer

Professional
This is just a silly joke, I am not seriously blaming or shaming Schwartzman for his height, I am not claiming to make an important point, (in this case regarding short people) like it seemed you were regarding Ostapenko's weight and overall on fat women. If just by this post you conclude that I truly have a problem with short people then fine.
I don’t believe a Word you say. I’m 100% convinced that if a person made a fat person joke in the other thread that you would explode.
 

crimson87

Semi-Pro
He can make a comeback, not top 10 or 20 but still be among the 50 best players for a few more years.
The thing is to be a 5'5 tennis player and be top 10 you have to have balls of steel and a killer mindset 24/7. That takes its toll.
I'd love to see the so called "mental giants" of the tour playing at 5'5.
 

heavyD

Professional
I'd rather my friends tell me that I look like a fat bum instead of sugarcoating that it's alright to be fat. No it's not alright, just like Bill Burr once said - your organs aren't giving you a standing ovation you fat F's.

I'm not saying to absolutely roast fat people (even though personally I like it), but a little fat shaming is absolutely necessary.
What you would rather be told about yourself is not what everyone else rathers be told about themselves. Fat shaming is not absolutely necessary as we know that obesity is linked to mental and physical issues. If it was easy for obese people to lose weight then a lot of them surely would rather than live with the health issues linked to it but it's complex. I feel confident that I'm much more fit than the average person my age but that doesn't mean it's fair game for me to dump on others that don't have my discipline and work ethic to eat well and exercise.
 

Bill Lobsalot

Hall of Fame
When I fat shamed Ostapenko in another thread (something she can change) you had a problem with it, but now you're taking a jab at Schwartzman's height (something he can't change) and now it's ok?
I don't think Ostapenko is fat. She moves well and hits the ball hard. Maybe that's her playing weight?
 

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
It's the other way round.

Also, yes, I haven't changed my mind about fat shaming. Telling someone it's ok to be fat is the absolute worst thing you can do.
Fat-shaming is one of those words that has developed to be used in a completely wrong context. It goes without saying that i won’t randomly insult or discriminate people for being obese, however, nowadays some people demand that you find fat people exactly as attractive as normal-sized ones or try to prohibit people from saying that obesity is unhealthy which is simply a fact.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
Fat-shaming is one of those words that has developed to be used in a completely wrong context. It goes without saying that i won’t randomly insult or discriminate people for being obese, however, nowadays some people demand that you find fat people exactly as attractive as normal-sized ones or try to prohibit people from saying that obesity is unhealthy which is simply a fact.
Wasn't the fashion of chubbier girls way more prominent in the 50's or 60's though?
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Fat-shaming is one of those words that has developed to be used in a completely wrong context. It goes without saying that i won’t randomly insult or discriminate people for being obese, however, nowadays some people demand that you find fat people exactly as attractive as normal-sized ones or try to prohibit people from saying that obesity is unhealthy which is simply a fact.
That's exactly my point. I mean come on Ostapenko isn't gonna read my post that I called her fat lol.

I have absolutely zero issue calling (especally my male friends) fat, repeatedly too to the point I p*** them off. Then they thank me me 3 months later. I also have zero issues when I let myself go and get fat. That's one way to keep yourself healthy.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
That's exactly my point. I mean come on Ostapenko isn't gonna read my post that I called her fat lol.

I have absolutely zero issue calling (especally my male friends) fat, repeatedly too to the point I p*** them off. Then they thank me me 3 months later.
Would you call your female friends fat though?
 

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
That's exactly my point. I mean come on Ostapenko isn't gonna read my post that I called her fat lol.

I have absolutely zero issue calling (especally my male friends) fat, repeatedly too to the point I p*** them off. Then they thank me me 3 months later. I also have zero issues when I let myself go and get fat. That's one way to keep yourself healthy.
There is literally zero advantage of being fat over being fit and everyone I know who put in the effort to lose weight has confirmed me that he is way more happy with his life after weight loss. Three years ago I gained 8 kilos over three months due to lot of work and trash food as well as gym being closed due to COVID but had zero issues about my family/wife/friends telling me, as it motivated me to get fit again.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
There is literally zero advantage of being fat over being fit and everyone I know who put in the effort to lose weight has confirmed me that he is way more happy with his life after weight loss. Three years ago I gained 8 kilos over three months due to lot of work and trash food as well as gym being closed due to COVID but had zero issues about my family/wife/friends telling me, as it motivated me to get fit again.
And that's beautiful. Good job, man.

Good job ex-fat man :D
 

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
Wasn't the fashion of chubbier girls way more prominent in the 50's or 60's though?
No idea to be honest. It shouldn’t be portrayed as an ideal though imho, as it comes with a lot of health risks and way more unpleasant life style. Not talking few kilos above ideal weight here but being seriously obese.
 

Holmes

Hall of Fame
I'd rather my friends tell me that I look like a fat bum instead of sugarcoating that it's alright to be fat. No it's not alright, just like Bill Burr once said - your organs aren't giving you a standing ovation you fat F's.

I'm not saying to absolutely roast fat people (even though personally I like it), but a little fat shaming is absolutely necessary.
Shaming someone tends to make them retreat into the behavior you shame them for, either defiantly or out of fear. Even if the behavior outwardly changes, the psychological transformation necessary to sustain the new lifestyle doesn't usually take place and the behavior re-emerges in a matter of time. Besides this, basic kindness and decency suggests we not shame people. It really isn't our place to try to affect other people's lifestyle changes, especially in an ineffective manner. Developing a friendship with someone is the best way to get through to them, if that's even the best thing to try to do. Btw I believe advocating for healthy bodies is definitely a good thing done properly, and is different from shaming those who are overweight which is wrong.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Haha thanks bud, but just for the record that was only for few months. Never was “fat” before and never will be again. Sorry but to vain to let “fat man” leave uncommented ;).
Yea you know what I meant lol

I mean I gained a few kg myself in April 2020 (as did a lot of people) and then again when I was doing some really risky trades around mid 2022 and ate myself out of stress. Since then I'm not letting myself go ever again.
 

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
Shaming someone tends to make them retreat into the behavior you shame them for, either defiantly or out of fear. Even if the behavior outwardly changes, the psychological transformation necessary to sustain the new lifestyle doesn't usually take place and the behavior re-emerges in a matter of time. Besides this, basic kindness and decency suggests we not shame people. It really isn't our place to try to affect other people's lifestyle changes, especially in an ineffective manner. Developing a friendship with someone is the best way to get through to them, if that's even the best thing to try to do. Btw I believe advocating for healthy bodies is definitely a good thing done properly, and is different from shaming those who are overweight which is wrong.
There is a lot of room between “shaming” or “insulting” people for being fat and encouraging them by telling (lying to) them that being fat has zero downsides is not unhealthy and that fat people are just as attractive as fit ones. Personally I would never tell people who I don’t know well uninvited that they are fat or unhealthy but if someone asks me my opinion I don’t sugarcoat or lie.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
Shaming someone tends to make them retreat into the behavior you shame them for, either defiantly or out of fear. Even if the behavior outwardly changes, the psychological transformation necessary to sustain the new lifestyle doesn't usually take place and the behavior re-emerges in a matter of time. Besides this, basic kindness and decency suggests we not shame people. It really isn't our place to try to affect other people's lifestyle changes, especially in an ineffective manner. Developing a friendship with someone is the best way to get through to them, if that's even the best thing to try to do. Btw I believe advocating for healthy bodies is definitely a good thing done properly, and is different from shaming those who are overweight which is wrong.
We could argue all day about the level of fat shaming that is acceptable. I mean when I see a male friend after 3 months f.e. and he clearly let himself go there's no way I'm not starting the conversation other than commenting on his weight lmao. Another thing would be talking about his weight all day, now that's too much.
 

BorgTheGOAT

Legend
Yea you know what I meant lol

I mean I gained a few kg myself in April 2020 (as did a lot of people) and then again when I was doing some really risky trades around mid 2022 and ate myself out of stress. Since then I'm not letting myself go ever again.
I did understand, no worry. yea stress at work or life is very dangerous here for bad eating habits. Great stuff though that you are back on track.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
There is a lot of room between “shaming” or “insulting” people for being fat and encouraging them by telling (lying to) them that being fat has zero downsides is not unhealthy and that fat people are just as attractive as fit ones. Personally I would never tell people who I don’t know well uninvited that they are fat or unhealthy but if someone asks me my opinion I don’t sugarcoat or lie.
Perfect post.

Dude I swear to God with the way people are roasting me for fat shaming you would think that I was doing nothing else in life, but walking down the street and laughing at fat people LOL.

This is a cool piece from Piers (even though I'm not a huge fan of him), he's got a really good take on the topic:
 

Holmes

Hall of Fame
We could argue all day about the level of fat shaming that is acceptable. I mean when I see a male friend after 3 months f.e. and he clearly let himself go there's no way I'm not starting the conversation other than commenting on his weight lmao. Another thing would be talking about his weight all day, now that's too much.
You're probably going to create some resentment in him towards you, even if he does lose weight. For the record, I lost 70 lbs in 7 months not too long ago, so I'm speaking from experience. I just became unhappy with my weight and decided to do something about it. Shaming from those close to me kept me in the same ditch and it was getting away from that for an extended period of time that lead to that inner desire for change. Plus the realization of what a tragedy it was to deny the females around me access to the really, really, ridiculously good looks which the weight was concealing.
 

tennis_pro

Bionic Poster
You're probably going to create some resentment in him towards you, even if he does lose weight. For the record, I lost 70 lbs in 7 months not too long ago, so I'm speaking from experience. I just became unhappy with my weight and decided to do something about it. Shaming from those close to me kept me in the same ditch and it was getting away from that for an extended period of time that lead to that inner desire for change.
I did that to a lot of my male friends and nobody ever had a problem with it, because they knew deep down I was right. They knew they let themselves go, that they had to do something about it and just need a little kick in the b*** to start to change. I'm not doing it to F with them, but for them to man up and do something about it. Direct communication. With girls you need to be a lot more tactful and wait for the right moment and do it more jokingly.

Besides, man...it's not like I'm having a 5 hour conversation with them just thinking about when to talk about their weight, honestly why would I care in the end it's their problem, but if there's an opening then why not.
 
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