Schwartzman in danger of falling out of World Top100

tennis_pro said:
I did that to a lot of my male friends and nobody ever had a problem with it, because they knew deep down I was right. I'm not doing it to F with them, but for them to man up and do something about it.
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That's the thing about underlying resentments though, they're underlying. Anyways, if resentments didn't develop it was probably because you had good intentions and they sensed it, so well done.
 
tennis_pro said:
I did that to a lot of my male friends and nobody ever had a problem with it, because they knew deep down I was right. They knew they let themselves go, that they had to do something about it and just need a little kick in the b*** to start to change. I'm not doing it to F with them, but for them to man up and do something about it. Direct communication. With girls you need to be a lot more tactful and wait for the right moment and do it more jokingly.

Besides, man...it's not like I'm having a 5 hour conversation with them just thinking about when to talk about their weight, honestly why would I care in the end it's their problem, but if there's an opening then why not.
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You're talking about a direct interaction with friends, which is very different from fat shaming people you don't know. The first may work under the right conditions, the second almost certainly will not.
 
Holmes said:
You're talking about a direct interaction with friends, which is very different from fat shaming people you don't know. The first may work under the right conditions, the second almost certainly will not.
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Well yeah that's what friends do - they try to help each other. Especially male friends. If I'm a fat bum without a job there is nothing more I'd like to hear from my male friends to stop crying about it go take any job I can and hit the treadmill. The last thing I wanna hear is that it's ok.

Shaming people I don't know well that's rude...that's why we do it in the internet LMAO
 
mike danny said:
Wasn't the fashion of chubbier girls way more prominent in the 50's or 60's though?
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Maybe, but everyone deep down knows that it's not attractive. It's just not. Things that are difficult to achieve are attractive by default.

That's why a guy who can hook up with 100 girls is respected and a girl who hooks up with 100 guys isn't. That guy has to have some value in order to pull it off, the girl can just show up in a club and could hook up with 90% of the guys there instantly. The same way a self made millionaire is way more respected than a trust fund baby.

You don't have to do anything difficult to become fat - just sit on your couch all day watch Netflix and eat pizza and ice-cream. That's why it's unattractive (I mean one of the reasons why, there are more like obviously it's just unhealthy).
 
tennis_pro said:
Maybe, but everyone deep down knows that it's not attractive. It's just not. Things that are difficult to achieve are attractive by default.
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With you on this topic. You don’t have to give unasked opinions about every random person but if its someone you are concerned about, hell yes you need to. Only the other day I told my cousin to rapidly shed weight because he’s got cholesterol and heart disease running in his family and maintaining a good BMI is the best way to at least delay the onset of diseases but then he is close to me and I had to tell him especially because he eats and drinks a bit too much.

I think the problem started when extremely thin models were chosen for every fashion item out there causing a lot of perfectly reasonably sized young teens going anorexic and becoming obsessed about their body and starving to look like those models. Now its the reverse. Extreme okayism about being fat too. I think there are people who genetically cannot shed weight but the others? There should be support for them to lose weight.

That said, unlike you I don’t go about telling my friends that they need to lose weight. Only if they ask me. Most know it themselves when those pair of trousers don’t quite fit the same way anymore.
 
Tennfan123 said:
a funny guy.
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@Mustard
The thing with Vince was, when his poor streak started, he had plenty of points where he wasn’t in danger of not being able to play larger tournaments due to massive point loss. During that whole 21 match slide, Spadea’s ranking only dropped from 20 to 61…

Diego has no such cushion.
 
Azure said:
With you on this topic. You don’t have to give unasked opinions about every random person but if its someone you are concerned about, hell yes you need to. Only the other day I told my cousin to rapidly shed weight because he’s got cholesterol and heart disease running in his family and maintaining a good BMI is the best way to at least delay the onset of diseases but then he is close to me and I had to tell him especially because he eats and drinks a bit too much.
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Good job!
Azure said:
I think the problem started when extremely thin models were chosen for every fashion item out there causing a lot of perfectly reasonably sized young teens going anorexic and becoming obsessed about their body and starving to look like those models. Now its the reverse. Extreme okayism about being fat too. I think there are people who genetically cannot shed weight but the others? There should be support for them to lose weight.
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So true. Extremes are never good.
Azure said:
That said, unlike you I don’t go about telling my friends that they need to lose weight. Only if they ask me. Most know it themselves when those pair of trousers don’t quite fit the same way anymore.
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We would need to talk about this face to face, Azure, cause I swear people think that's the only thing I focus on when meeting with friends. This happens once in a blue moon and is more of a signal to them whenever they add a few extra kg - "hey, people are noticing, this is unhealthy, you need to do something about it". That's it, it's really not a big deal. I have never heard any backlash from anyone when this topic was brought up, ever. What I got is acknowledgement of the situation and gradual change. And as I said I want my friend to call me out if I gain a bit of weight, sometimes you miss that red alert and you need someone to show it to you.
 
James P said:
Looks like Schwartzman is indeed done. It's been a good run. Currently ranked #72 live after losing in Barcelona, he is defending 270 of his 730 points during clay season (45 Madrid, 45 Rome, 180 RG). #101 right now is at 580, so he'll likely need to defend at least 150 points to stick around in the top 100 post-RG. Will Diego ride off into the sunset or fight it out on the Challenger circuit to try to regain form?
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It is an incredibly tough era. Any slip in form and you are out !
 
Adults still think that somehow it's common for people who are overweight not to realize they are overweight or not know that being fit is a viable option for them. It is a poorly-informed and short-sighted idea that by making a point to an overweight person that they need to lose weight you'll charge them up with enthusiasm and ability to lose weight in a healthy way. From adjusting their lifestyle to treating a health condition (because weight gain can be a result of certain medical conditions, or a side effect of taking medication), for someone to start successfully losing fat in a healthy way so they can become fitter and hopefully happier, offhanded negative comments are unlikely to do the job. Open body shaming is of course just cruel, and studies are conclusive on fat shaming making people put on more weight, beyond lowering their self-esteem, of course.

You have to consider that there are various root causes of why someone suddenly became overweight, or why someone has been overweight ever since you met them. As a friend, much less a stranger on the Interner, the chances that you will fully understand what the root cause is for the person are low. Research shows that genetic predisposition for obesity may be as high as 70-80%, and then there are trigger factors like diet, exercise, social environment that starting from a person's childhood, when they can hardly control any of those, affect their body composition in a significant way.

From your perspective it might seem you're helping when telling an overweight person they should lose weight to be healthier, but it might turn out that this person has been secretely struggling with an ED or yo-yo dieting and you just triggered them to spiral worse. Or maybe a person indeed doesn't have enough self-discipline or willpower in the moment to make significant changes in their life that will help them lose weight. You think your comment is going to magically give it to them instead of just pushing on their likely insecurity?

It's a complex issue, a serious struggle for many people, and it's long overdue that people learn not to be treating it as something simple, much less something to mock or be dismissive about.
 
The Fedfather said:
Adults still think that somehow it's common for people who are overweight not to realize they are overweight or not know that being fit is a viable option for them. It is a poorly-informed and short-sighted idea that by making a point to an overweight person that they need to lose weight you'll charge them up with enthusiasm and ability to lose weight in a healthy way. From adjusting their lifestyle to treating a health condition (because weight gain can be a result of certain medical conditions, or a side effect of taking medication), for someone to start successfully losing fat in a healthy way so they can become fitter and hopefully happier, offhanded negative comments are unlikely to do the job. Open body shaming is of course just cruel, and studies are conclusive on fat shaming making people put on more weight, beyond lowering their self-esteem, of course.

You have to consider that there are various root causes of why someone suddenly became overweight, or why someone has been overweight ever since you met them. As a friend, much less a stranger on the Interner, the chances that you will fully understand what the root cause is for the person are low. Research shows that genetic predisposition for obesity may be as high as 70-80%, and then there are trigger factors like diet, exercise, social environment that starting from a person's childhood, when they can hardly control any of those, affect their body composition in a significant way.

From your perspective it might seem you're helping when telling an overweight person they should lose weight to be healthier, but it might turn out that this person has been secretely struggling with an ED or yo-yo dieting and you just triggered them to spiral worse. Or maybe a person indeed doesn't have enough self-discipline or willpower in the moment to make significant changes in their life that will help them lose weight. You think your comment is going to magically give it to them instead of just pushing on their likely insecurity?

It's a complex issue, a serious struggle for many people, and it's long overdue that people learn not to be treating it as something simple, much less something to mock or be dismissive about.
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You should debate Professor Scott Steiner on this matter.
 
Azure said:
With you on this topic. You don’t have to give unasked opinions about every random person but if its someone you are concerned about, hell yes you need to. Only the other day I told my cousin to rapidly shed weight because he’s got cholesterol and heart disease running in his family and maintaining a good BMI is the best way to at least delay the onset of diseases but then he is close to me and I had to tell him especially because he eats and drinks a bit too much.

I think the problem started when extremely thin models were chosen for every fashion item out there causing a lot of perfectly reasonably sized young teens going anorexic and becoming obsessed about their body and starving to look like those models. Now its the reverse. Extreme okayism about being fat too. I think there are people who genetically cannot shed weight but the others? There should be support for them to lose weight.

That said, unlike you I don’t go about telling my friends that they need to lose weight. Only if they ask me. Most know it themselves when those pair of trousers don’t quite fit the same way anymore.
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Wait, why wouldn't you genetically be able to shed weight?
 
mike danny said:
Wait, why wouldn't you genetically be able to shed weight?
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That is maybe like 1% and they are not absolutely unable to shed weight it is just way much harder for them (like the Brazilian footballer Ronaldo). Next to all overweight people I have come across in my life had very bad eating habits and didn’t exercise but all of them said they had this genetic-problem that they couldn’t shed weight.
 
BorgTheGOAT said:
That is maybe like 1% and they are not absolutely unable to shed weight it is just way much harder for them (like the Brazilian footballer Ronaldo). Next to all overweight people I have come across in my life had very bad eating habits and didn’t exercise but all of them said they had this genetic-problem that they couldn’t shed weight.
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I mean, Ronaldo is an athlete, I don't think shedding weight is an issue.
 
mike danny said:
Wait, why wouldn't you genetically be able to shed weight?
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Genes and obesity | CDC

Obesity is the result of chronic energy imbalance in a person who consistently takes in more calories from food and drink than are needed to power their body’s metabolic and physical functions. The rapidly rising population prevalence of obesity in recent decades has been attributed to an...
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