Search to find Pete Sampras' twistweight

Donmikan

Semi-Pro
For now i am pretty sure Pete added 16g of lead to the side of his racket, as you can see here: to me, it looks like he has two 6 inch strips and one 4 inch per half a side,so in total 64 inches, divided by 4 as every 4 inch strip of a quarter inch wide lead tape is 1 gram, so 16 grams in total.

When i plug these numbers on the twu calculator (https://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/customizationReverse.php) using the base swingweight of 334 (might be 330, per other sources, heres mine: https://www.hdtennis.com/info/pro_racquet_specs/sampras_wilson) using the middle point of the string bed around 53cm (if divided to multiple weighting spots the results are not that different) and the width of 11cm (i dont know the exact width on his frame), the results are around 364 swingweight (close to Pete's 367, different strings and dampener affect this) and the twistweight increases by about 2 points (1.9 to be precise) as seen here:
Twu's twistweight database has the twistweight of a wilson pro staff 6.0 85 to be at 12.3 as can be seen here: but this is a reissue of the frame with different specs compared to the original (compare this: https://www.tennis-warehouse.com/Wilson_Pro_Staff_60_85/descpageRCWILSON-W26085.html and the second link) so i dont believe that the original pro staff 85 had the same twistweight, and i suspect the old one to be at a higher number, as it has a lower polarisation index, but it doesnt have to be the case. 0.461 for the new one and 0.436 for the old one using this calculator: https://impactingtennis.com/education-tools/mgr-i/

Now, Pete allegedly used a wilson k factor k pro staff 88 after his retirement, which has the twistweight of 14.5, and he added lead tape on the sides, see: https://nickspicks1.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/12.jpg but the problem is, i dont know if he had it specked up to the same specs he used with a 85. Using the same method of measuring twistweight for his 367 swingweight, it comes out with a value of 16kg*cm^2 if i put 12 grams (two 6 inch strips per half side, just a guess). But again, this doesnt mean he used a 367 swingweight on a k88.

If you own a original pro staff 85 (prefferably a St. Vincent one) would you be kind enough to share its specs (weight, balance, swingweight, twistweight) and measure the distance of the center point of your rackets stringbed and the bottom, and we distance of the inner side of the frame to the sweetspot( middle of the stringbed)? If you dont have the propper equipment to measure twistweigh try this method: https://tt.tennis-warehouse.com/index.php?threads/measure-twist-weight.554899/ and this is for swingweight: https://twu.tennis-warehouse.com/learning_center/swingweight_calc.php
 
I have seen different numbers for Pete.

We have the 367sw in Raven’s collection.

Someone posted a 388sw measurement from near the end of Pete’s career (when his baseline game was trash, but his S&V game was still elite).

Pete’s agent told me 375sw (the agent is buds with Nate Ferguson).

It’s possible that all of these are correct, but from different points in his career.
 
Fun customization exercise + i wanna find out where did one of the best SnV players think the correct balance is between stability and manouverability.
You're missing the critical two words in there :) : "correct balance is between stability and manouverability"... for him!
 
For now i am pretty sure Pete added 16g of lead to the side of his racket, as you can see here: to me, it looks like he has two 6 inch strips and one 4 inch per half a side,so in total 64 inches, divided by 4 as every 4 inch strip of a quarter inch wide lead tape is 1 gram, so 16 grams in total.
Maybe it’s my 6th decade eyesight, but looks to me more like each half side has four strips:
- 6 inch x1 (first layer)
- 2 inch x2 (2nd layer; these are on either side of PWS bulge)
- 4 inch -1 (third layer).

I’m always amazed at how many deep and varied gear rabbit-holes exist on TTW!
 
Maybe it’s my 6th decade eyesight, but looks to me more like each half side has four strips:
- 6 inch x1 (first layer)
- 2 inch x2 (2nd layer; these are on either side of PWS bulge)
- 4 inch -1 (third layer).

I’m always amazed at how many deep and varied gear rabbit-holes exist on TTW!
My eyes see the 2nd layer going all the way across the PWS. Thickness is triple over the bulge.
 
I have seen different numbers for Pete.

We have the 367sw in Raven’s collection.

Someone posted a 388sw measurement from near the end of Pete’s career (when his baseline game was trash, but his S&V game was still elite).

Pete’s agent told me 375sw (the agent is buds with Nate Ferguson).

It’s possible that all of these are correct, but from different points in his career.
375sw? No wonder he only won 14 majors...
 
My eyes see the 2nd layer going all the way across the PWS. Thickness is triple over the bulge.
What about the visible vertical ridge in the lead, just above the sixth grommet from the left? It looks like the second layer lead strip stops there.

Then again, I'm not about to get into a debate with a man who has the eyes to spot a shorter than standard racquet from online photographs of an ATP player!
 
What about the visible vertical ridge in the lead, just above the sixth grommet from the left? It looks like the second layer lead strip stops there.

Then again, I'm not about to get into a debate with a man who has the eyes to spot a shorter than standard racquet from online photographs of an ATP player!
I think I see what you are referring to, but I believe that’s just a blemish in trying to press the lead down into place.
 
People like to complain about QC in modern racquets, but the specs on St Vincent PS 85's were all over the place. Just one of the issues was that the foam injection process was not at all scientific... some frames got a lot of foam and others not so much.

Sampras had 2-4 layers of lead tape on his frames, depending on starting specs. When his handles were custom molded, lead from the hairpin was often removed/relocated in order to make spec.

So long story short, you're going to have a tough time calculating his TW based on one photo. Suffice it to say it was meaty though. BTW, that 368 SW number seems familiar.
 
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