Sebov tells her side - handshake drama

ChaelAZ

Legend
Kat posted this today. Interesting.




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Chadalina

Guest
Kat posted this today. Interesting.




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I referenced the "limp fish" in the other thread, how @Bartelby shakes

"She wanted to give me the limp fish (handshake). I just took her hand firmly, gave her a professional handshake, and walked away to my bag."
 

yokied

Professional
Tennis parents really are the absolute worst. It should be pretty easy to verify the information about the dad. If he attended Sebov's other matches and was meddling there too, including physical contact, that means the ITF will have to act after this video. That's ridiculous and borderline stalker-y.
 
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Chadalina

Guest
On the WTA/ATP level I can‘t immediately recall any crazy moms but crazy dads is another story: pierce, bernie, dokic, lucic come to mind.
Your ability to overlook the obvious no longer impresses me after so long, domestic abuse??? Oracine and the other moms get abused long before their daughters (failed gatekeepers). Part of the cycle...

Much like @octobrina10 's hate towards Sasha, the snake will eventually show its head to others.
 

octobrina10

G.O.A.T.
Your ability to overlook the obvious no longer impresses me after so long, domestic abuse??? Oracine and the other moms get abused long before their daughters (failed gatekeepers). Part of the cycle...

Much like @octobrina10 's hate towards Sasha, the snake will eventually show its head to others.
Hmm. Rafa hater, you’re extrapolating from your own feelings to mine! Thanks for posting your self-description!

Fed devotees are hating Zverev since he started to beat their beloved one.
It's just your imagination that I hate him. You are trying to cheat TTW readers, as usual.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
From what little video was there, it seems to me that she is being honest here. The woman who lost flung her racket and was clearly looking to stir up trouble as she approached the net. But I did not know about the coaching accusations before.
 

Dansan

Rookie
Sore loser. It's painfully obvious. It's really interesting to me that people can see it any other way. People have a confirmation bias that they see what they want to believe, a lot of which is racially motivated.

Losing the match, body language, throwing racquet immediately after losing, family history, and her eventual action to go after another tennis player. All of these things add up to an obvious conclusion. People that know Sebov personally know it's completely asinine for her to be slinging racial slurs during a match. Such a low excuse for crap behavior and paper thin character.

Just another Jussie Smollett. Media is really enjoying this, and encourages this through sensationalism. Won't be the last time this happens unless someone in a position of authority comes forward and does the right thing.
 

Tshooter

Legend
Your ability to overlook the obvious no longer impresses me after so long, domestic abuse??? Oracine and the other moms get abused long before their daughters (failed gatekeepers). Part of the cycle...

Much like @octobrina10 's hate towards Sasha, the snake will eventually show its head to others.
In English, please ?
 
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kramer woodie

Professional
Sore loser. It's painfully obvious. It's really interesting to me that people can see it any other way. People have a confirmation bias that they see what they want to believe, a lot of which is racially motivated.

Losing the match, body language, throwing racquet immediately after losing, family history, and her eventual action to go after another tennis player. All of these things add up to an obvious conclusion. People that know Sebov personally know it's completely asinine for her to be slinging racial slurs during a match. Such a low excuse for crap behavior and paper thin character.

Just another Jussie Smollett. Media is really enjoying this, and encourages this through sensationalism. Won't be the last time this happens unless someone in a position of authority comes forward and does the right thing.
Dansan

Very good post! Concise and to the point. The thrown racquet at the end of the match was an obvious act the fuse was going to go off. Anything that happened after that thrown racquet was just the beginning of the explosion by a sore looser. Daddy has the same temperament, and will defend his daughter whether she is right or in this case in the wrong. Parks obviously learned her behavior from her dad.

Shalom
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
It is 'painfully obvious' that she is a sore loser, but your comparison with Jussie Smollet makes you 'painfully obvious' as well.

Sore loser. It's painfully obvious. It's really interesting to me that people can see it any other way. People have a confirmation bias that they see what they want to believe, a lot of which is racially motivated.

Losing the match, body language, throwing racquet immediately after losing, family history, and her eventual action to go after another tennis player. All of these things add up to an obvious conclusion. People that know Sebov personally know it's completely asinine for her to be slinging racial slurs during a match. Such a low excuse for crap behavior and paper thin character.

Just another Jussie Smollett. Media is really enjoying this, and encourages this through sensationalism. Won't be the last time this happens unless someone in a position of authority comes forward and does the right thing.
Dansan

Very good post! Concise and to the point. The thrown racquet at the end of the match was an obvious act the fuse was going to go off. Anything that happened after that thrown racquet was just the beginning of the explosion by a sore looser. Daddy has the same temperament, and will defend his daughter whether she is right or in this case in the wrong. Parks obviously learned her behavior from her dad.

Shalom
 

BHud

Hall of Fame
I saw a sore loser throwing her racquet, that same loser aggressively approaching the winner after the match was over, officials trying to thwart the loser’s aggression, and the loser’s psychotic father charging the court pulling the race card. I don’t care who they are. The loser should be fined and suspended. Case closed. Oh, and a meaningful ban for the father as well.
 

Robert F

Semi-Pro
Even if her Mom was coaching, it doesn't give the opponent the right to attack the other player or anyone. Even if the Mom was coaching, you don't attack the player you talk to the ref and file a complaint. Don't make tennis a farce.
 

ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
Tennis parents really are the absolute worst. It should be pretty easy to verify the information about the dad. If he attended Sebov's other matches and was meddling there too, including physical contact, that means the ITF will have to act after this video. That's ridiculous and borderline stalker-y.
Tennis parents are the worst due to the individualistic nature of the sport. It becomes very, very personal unlike in team sports. Through their progeny, they feel success, validation, whatever, and at the same time, they want their child to win and be happy and have success. It’s just gets very messy when involving human emotions, human connections to children, sporting competitions, etc.
 

Dansan

Rookie
It is 'painfully obvious' that she is a sore loser, but your comparison with Jussie Smollet makes you 'painfully obvious' as well.
Makes it pretty obvious that I call it like I see it. Don't need a judge, trial, or jury for this one.
 

ChaelAZ

Legend
Tennis parents are the worst due to the individualistic nature of the sport. It becomes very, very personal unlike in team sports. Through their progeny, they feel success, validation, whatever, and at the same time, they want their child to win and be happy and have success. It’s just gets very messy when involving human emotions, human connections to children, sporting competitions, etc.
I have found most tennis parents are actually good folks, being fair and not crazy like a few.

I was just trying to remember the young tennis player's name (something like Shashinko?) I had a nice run in with the mother at our Surprise $25k event. She was one of those well known 17 year olds that was featured on Tennis Channel as one to watch and I was excited to get to see her at the Pro Circuit event. During her first match she was playing a long time, well respected player that we had seen many times. It started to get very obvious that the younger player was outright making bad calls, and I was standing next to the Mom, who was continually coaching and prompting her daughter to make those calls. Well...the experience player had enough and started getting on the younger player questioning her calls, and eventually questioning the ethics of the younger player, while telling the mother to stop coaching. The experienced player finally walks to the net and says, "So this is who you wanna be as a player, and what you want to be known for?".

I started to chuckle with the guys I was with and the Mom started yelling at us with, "You think this is funny?! You laugh at my daughter?!" And then was going on about her daughter is a champion and this event and the players are below her...yadda...yadda...

The sad part was, the younger player kept looking at the mother and you could see she really DID NOT want to be known like that. I felt bad becuase the girl really looked hurt by the exchange and went ot loose pretty handily after that. Worse, as the younger player was getting off court, already looking degected the mother was right there berrating her for not being strong mentally and losing.

I have not heard a single news bit or seen her name anywhere since that year, so I assume she probably just quit.

I have met tons of tennis parents at these events, like Coco Gauff, Cici bellis, Camilia Gorgi, and more. All good people and not wrapped up in things, and very supportive and loving for thier kids.
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
Tennis parents are the worst due to the individualistic nature of the sport. It becomes very, very personal unlike in team sports. Through their progeny, they feel success, validation, whatever, and at the same time, they want their child to win and be happy and have success. It’s just gets very messy when involving human emotions, human connections to children, sporting competitions, etc.
Plus it takes sociopaths to stick a racket into the hands of a 3 year-old then drill them like in the army for the next 15 years...
 

ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
Plus it takes sociopaths to stick a racket into the hands of a 3 year-old then drill them like in the army for the next 15 years...
True, but that’s really the only way and player will ever be good enough to compete professionally and once people begin, there’s no turning back once people tske the Sunk Cost approach.

The thing is that it’s always easy to judge from afar, but there are so many, SO MANY variables that go into parent/children relationships, and in tennis (or in other individualistic pursuits like chess or spelling bees, etc., I’ve seen) relationships, the connections turnout or maybe even begin narcissistically, but there are parts of it that come from well-intentioned places but the whole thing becomes so horribly mixed up. These parents KNOW what they’re doing, but they’re so deeply entangled in a lifetime of support/chastisement/support/chastisement, love, recrimination, loathing, joy, narcissism, etc., that it’s the way the relationship will always be after a certain point.

And if the child is an only child then oh boy....it’s just multiplied and intensified.
 

Big_Dangerous

Talk Tennis Guru
Sore loser. It's painfully obvious. It's really interesting to me that people can see it any other way. People have a confirmation bias that they see what they want to believe, a lot of which is racially motivated.

Losing the match, body language, throwing racquet immediately after losing, family history, and her eventual action to go after another tennis player. All of these things add up to an obvious conclusion. People that know Sebov personally know it's completely asinine for her to be slinging racial slurs during a match. Such a low excuse for crap behavior and paper thin character.

Just another Jussie Smollett. Media is really enjoying this, and encourages this through sensationalism. Won't be the last time this happens unless someone in a position of authority comes forward and does the right thing.
100% this. Really sad and incredibly low character of them to try and pull the race card as a way to compensate for ****ty behavior and being poor sports. The reality of the sport is that you won't win every match, but that's why you play. If she can't handle losing and her dad loses his mind everytime he sees his dotter lose a match, then maybe sports aren't the way to go for the Parks family.
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
True, but that’s really the only way and player will ever be good enough to compete professionally and once people begin, there’s no turning back once people tske the Sunk Cost approach.

The thing is that it’s always easy to judge from afar, but there are so many, SO MANY variables that go into parent/children relationships, and in tennis (or in other individualistic pursuits like chess or spelling bees, etc., I’ve seen) relationships, the connections turnout or maybe even begin narcissistically, but there are parts of it that come from well-intentioned places but the whole thing becomes so horribly mixed up. These parents KNOW what they’re doing, but they’re so deeply entangled in a lifetime of support/chastisement/support/chastisement, love, recrimination, loathing, joy, narcissism, etc., that it’s the way the relationship will always be after a certain point.

And if the child is an only child then oh boy....it’s just multiplied and intensified.
I agree, and that's the big problem for tennis, that big talents who start at age 9 or 10 have very little chance.

Also, for every success story of a tortured 3 year-old, there are 500 failures.

It's just not a good environment, junior tennis. Barring some exceptions of course when the child is happy regardless of pro success...
 

ghostofMecir

Hall of Fame
I agree, and that's the big problem for tennis, that big talents who start at age 9 or 10 have very little chance.

Also, for every success story of a tortured 3 year-old, there are 500 failures.

It's just not a good environment, junior tennis. Barring some exceptions of course when the child is happy regardless of pro success...
Indeed.

But for many parents, the miracle of birth itself and the human characteristic of egoism WANTS that child, BELIEVES that child to be special. They want good things for him/her, and maybe want good things for themselves. When looked at logically, the odds are HIGHLY, HIGHLY against a child ever becoming a chess prodigy, violin virtuoso, professional athlete, attending Harvard/Yale/Princeton/MIT/Stanford/etc., but parents don’t look at things logically.

Then they get caught up in the life they’ve created for maybe even good reasons, but that dynamic between child and parent is set and NOTHING changes that. Nothing CAN change it.

The parents often know this and it makes them act even worse. They regret it afterwards, feel guilty, but they can’t help it anymore. They’re fighting against the odds knowing that logically it’s goong to be impossible to achieve the dreams they had when their child was three years old. They have a relationship with their child that’s already broken and the ONLY thing that will “justify” what has “happened” is that the child DOES become the pro athlete, chess champion, etc.
 

UnderratedSlam

Hall of Fame
Indeed.

But for many parents, the miracle of birth itself and the human characteristic of egoism WANTS that child, BELIEVES that child to be special. They want good things for him/her, and maybe want good things for themselves. When looked at logically, the odds are HIGHLY, HIGHLY against a child ever becoming a chess prodigy, violin virtuoso, professional athlete, attending Harvard/Yale/Princeton/MIT/Stanford/etc., but parents don’t look at things logically.

Then they get caught up in the life they’ve created for maybe even good reasons, but that dynamic between child and parent is set and NOTHING changes that. Nothing CAN change it.

The parents often know this and it makes them act even worse. They regret it afterwards, feel guilty, but they can’t help it anymore. They’re fighting against the odds knowing that logically it’s goong to be impossible to achieve the dreams they had when their child was three years old. They have a relationship with their child that’s already broken and the ONLY thing that will “justify” what has “happened” is that the child DOES become the pro athlete, chess champion, etc.
Another problem is the current generation of parents who are Xers and millennials i.e. nitwits. Especially millennials I've noticed haven't a CLUE how to bring up kids. They are themselves still kids, an immature generation. Plus, millennials being so selfish makes them inappropriate to raise kids (and yet they are the only ones fertile around pretty much)... What's the world coming to...

Yes, millennials and Xers when they have a child make such a hoopla about it, as if an empress of the universe was giving birth to Kubrick's 2001 cosmic child. They project their own pathological narcissism onto their own kids, who they feel can do no wrong hence don't need much admonishing or true guidance.

Don't even get me started... Very few "adults" these days do a good job raising kids. My guess is that tennis pros in 10-15 years will be even more spoiled, even bigger tankers, even more whiny... Even more brats. The Tomic/Kyrgipose generation...
 
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