Second serves: Federer needs Nadal rematch

TheNatural

G.O.A.T.
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Second serves: Federer needs Nadal rematch

by Zack Pierce, FOXSports.com, September 9, 2008

He can't control it. It doesn't ruin his moment. They won't put an asterisk on his trophy. But Roger Federer's latest Grand Slam title comes with one inescapable caveat.

He didn't beat Rafael Nadal.

It is undeniable that Federer was at his best in the U.S. Open final, whipping the ball around the court in every direction and running a wide-eyed Andy Murray ragged. His level of play seemed unbeatable, but still there's that big elephant in the room.

Sure, Murray beat Nadal — handily. And Federer, in turn, beat Murray — handily. But the transitive property does not apply to professional sports, and in a game that loves its rivalries, something was definitely lost at Arthur Ashe Stadium on Monday with Nadal sitting it out.

And Federer knows it. He was asked after Saturday's semifinal win whether he'd prefer to play Nadal or Murray for the title.

"I guess I prefer Rafa because we have played so many times and we had such a great Wimbledon final," Federer said after beating Novak Djokovic.

"After what we went through at Wimbledon and all the tough matches we have had over the years, it's just always nice to play against him."

At the '07 U.S. Open, this wasn't an issue. Federer had been so singularly dominant the previous four years, all that mattered was how easily he would cruise to glory. He rolled through Grand Slam events as though they were practice sessions, and we sang his much-deserved praises. Even when he lost in the French Open year after year to Nadal, we brushed off Roland Garros as the black sheep sibling of the other majors.

When Nadal beat him at Wimbledon in July, all that changed. It gave him a nemesis. He finally had the Agassi to his Sampras, the McEnroe to his Borg.

The ensuing chain of events has left Federer with a strange-looking "2" next to his name in every tournament draw. The near-invincible Swiss has suddenly become more interesting. He's vulnerable. He's beatable. He's human. The only thing left to do was get revenge against the guy who knocked him down a peg.

Federer's 6-2, 7-5, 6-2 win over Murray was — in terms of total games dropped — his second most dominant win in a Grand Slam final, and Murray was the only of his 13 title-match victims who didn't at least force a tiebreak in one of the sets. It's a far cry from July's five-set Wimbledon classic, where he and Nadal slugged it out until almost complete darkness.

That match validated Nadal's ascendance. Federer needs no such validation. He has 13 of the sport's most coveted prizes. But his legacy will be incomplete without one more Grand Slam win against the only man to force him to accept a runner-up trophy at a major championship.
 

TheNatural

G.O.A.T.
But it will greatly help his legacy to beat Nadal in a slam final because hes 2-4 in slam finals v Nadal (should be 1-5, remember the Wimbledon 07 knee tendon Injury with Nadal crusing to victory)

Not much of Federer's fault when nadal does not make it into the final.
 

Toko

Rookie
But it will greatly help his legacy to beat Nadal in a slam final because hes 2-4 in slam finals v Nadal (should be 1-5, remember the Wimbledon 07 knee tendon Injury with Nadal crusing to victory)
His legacy needs little help if you ask me. The fact that Nadal wasn't in any hard court slam between 04-07 is hardly fed's fault. As it stands, he still has a winning record against nadal on all surfaces other than clay.
 

TheNatural

G.O.A.T.
You have to admit that the 2-4 slam final deficit v Nadal hurts his legacy and heightens Nadal's legacy. Fed needs a bit of revenge after the last 2 slam final losses to Nadal

His legacy needs little help if you ask me. The fact that Nadal wasn't in any hard court slam between 04-07 is hardly fed's fault. As it stands, he still has a winning record against nadal on all surfaces other than clay.
 

Toko

Rookie
You have to admit that the 2-4 slam final deficit v Nadal hurts his legacy and heightens Nadal's legacy.
No shame in losing to who might be the greatest clay-courter ever in the finals of RG. For his worst surface, he's done well for himself.

Still winning record against nadal on any other surface.
 

tennisdad65

Hall of Fame
If Fed gets to 15 Grand slams, no one will care about his record against nadal (except nadal lovers & Fed haters of course) :)
 

joeri888

G.O.A.T.
Not much of Federer's fault when nadal does not make it into the final.
That's a big part of the reason their head to head is so much in Nadal's favour. Anyways, I don't think not playing Nadal makes it any less special. He just needed this one to build confidence, and he needs to already have the confidence to beat Nadal. Now he has won the US Open I really hope Roger and Rafa will meet in TMC or on the carpet somewhere so hopefully Roger can do something about their h2h which is again this season for 3/4 based on clay.
 

samster

Hall of Fame
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Second serves: Federer needs Nadal rematch

Federer's 6-2, 7-5, 6-2 win over Murray was — in terms of total games dropped — his second most dominant win in a Grand Slam final, and Murray was the only of his 13 title-match victims who didn't at least force a tiebreak in one of the sets. It's a far cry from July's five-set Wimbledon classic, where he and Nadal slugged it out until almost complete darkness.

That match validated Nadal's ascendance. Federer needs no such validation. He has 13 of the sport's most coveted prizes. But his legacy will be incomplete without one more Grand Slam win against the only man to force him to accept a runner-up trophy at a major championship.
I am sure the writer meant runner-up trophies...
 

AAAA

Hall of Fame
You have to admit that the 2-4 slam final deficit v Nadal hurts his legacy and heightens Nadal's legacy. Fed needs a bit of revenge after the last 2 slam final losses to Nadal
On consideration, it enhances his legacy because Federer is playing at a time where he is facing a slam final opponent who it at least his equal on the surface.
 

PackardDell

Semi-Pro
He can't control it. It doesn't ruin his moment. They won't put an asterisk on his trophy. But Roger Federer's latest Grand Slam title comes with one inescapable caveat.

He didn't beat Rafael Nadal.
ridiculous. Was nadal in the draw? Yes, so please stop wining and complaining and other nonsense. If Nadal wasn't participating he would have a point but nadal was there so cut it
 

CyBorg

Legend
Revenge against Nadal is very important. Roger will have his chances on fast indoor hard and later the Australian Open. It's time to reverse the trend.
 

roundiesee

Hall of Fame
You have to admit that the 2-4 slam final deficit v Nadal hurts his legacy and heightens Nadal's legacy. Fed needs a bit of revenge after the last 2 slam final losses to Nadal
Not necessarily. Do you consider Pete's 14 slam record less significant just because he played some of those finals against Cedric Pioline? Or Mac's 3 Wimbledon titles, one of them against Chris Lewis? No, they are all worthy titles. We cannot control the draw and who you play in a slam final.
 

World Beater

Hall of Fame
But it will greatly help his legacy to beat Nadal in a slam final because hes 2-4 in slam finals v Nadal (should be 1-5, remember the Wimbledon 07 knee tendon Injury with Nadal crusing to victory)
right nadal was cruising to victory while down 2 sets to 1.

LMAO

If there is any victory at all that would/should have been different...it was rome 2006. of course i am not disputing it...nadal thoroughly deserved it.

pete's legacy is amazing after beating all-time greats todd martin, cedric pioline, carlos moya, goran ivanisevic. it hurt pete's legacy that he never got to take revenge against krajicek on grass at wimbledon.:cry: if only he could have reversed the trend against ferreria, stich, bruguera, krajicek etc ...how many **** poor h-hs...this guys is supposed to be the GOAT...right?

imagine if krajicek played his prison ***** sampras more often in slams :shock:
 
2009 Australian Open could really drive the stake home--both players healthy and no excuses with the fresh year..consider pete never played every final against an opponent of nadal's calibur-federer does need more nadal finals to cement his name as the absolute best--because in actuality we could be talking about rafa being the GOAT years down the road
 
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