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Rafa4LifeEver

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Nadal is the toughest gladiator of this mortal world, he doesn't seem to give up at any point. No matter what the condition is.
Greatest fighter in the history of all sports. He fights for the sake of sheer competition, compassion and love for the sport.
Everyone on the other side of court is at his mercy when he's bringing the heat.
 

Rago

Hall of Fame

Really impressed with this performance from Nadal.

Federer's forehand was monstrous in 2005 and to handle a player (especially at the age of 18) who was only losing a handful of matches a season the way he did was otherworldly.

Nadal was RAPID back then.
 

MichaelNadal

Bionic Poster

Really impressed with this performance from Nadal.

Federer's forehand was monstrous in 2005 and to handle a player (especially at the age of 18) who was only losing a handful of matches a season the way he did was otherworldly.

Nadal was RAPID back then.
Agree. Fed was not playing with that ball in 05 (or 06)
 

Rago

Hall of Fame
Crazy to think Rafa has got smarter as the years have gone by and has played sneaky efficient. Rafa would lose this point today, but he has figured out how to still dominate on clay.
He's fit for his age on the mud and can still open up a ton of angles off both wings.
 

SonnyT

Hall of Fame
Thiem's tougher, he can win 3 tiebreaks against Nadal. Nadal's softer, he can't win a single tiebreak against Thiem.

Last time he beat Thiem at a Slam, he needed a lot more rest.
 
Nadal is the toughest gladiator of this mortal world, he doesn't seem to give up at any point. No matter what the condition is.
Greatest fighter in the history of all sports. He fights for the sake of sheer competition, compassion and love for the sport.
Everyone on the other side of court is at his mercy when he's bringing the heat.
I'm pretty sure he was bringing the heat in 2020 Australia as well.
What happened, happened no?!
He's the biggest fighter but it does not mean none can beat him and everyone will be at his mercy..
 

Really impressed with this performance from Nadal.

Federer's forehand was monstrous in 2005 and to handle a player (especially at the age of 18) who was only losing a handful of matches a season the way he did was otherworldly.

Nadal was RAPID back then.

This deserves a thread IMO. I started watching the highlights and I kept watching it. The Federer I/O. FH is a menace, he is randomly hitting it and it actually goes past many times against Nadal who actually is one of his best defending years.

The best part is that the points don't have the usual FH to BH dynamic, Nadal is actually being aggressive.


This kid is an anomaly of nature, he was born to play on the surface. I usually see 2005 SF get dismissed as "Federer hadn't found his game on Clay" but these highlights paint a different picture entirely. He is playing free flowing and quite well, it's just Nadal who is way too solid.
 

Rago

Hall of Fame
This deserves a thread IMO. I started watching the highlights and I kept watching it. The Federer I/O. FH is a menace, he is randomly hitting it and it actually goes past many times against Nadal who actually is one of his best defending years.

The best part is that the points don't have the usual FH to BH dynamic, Nadal is actually being aggressive.


This kid is an anomaly of nature, he was born to play on the surface. I usually see 2005 SF get dismissed as "Federer hadn't found his game on Clay" but these highlights paint a different picture entirely. He is playing free flowing and quite well, it's just Nadal who is way too solid.
I agree with everything here.
 

Nole_King

Professional
Nadal is the toughest gladiator of this mortal world, he doesn't seem to give up at any point. No matter what the condition is.
Greatest fighter in the history of all sports. He fights for the sake of sheer competition, compassion and love for the sport.
Everyone on the other side of court is at his mercy when he's bringing the heat.
So sad that he has been able to bring heat against Novak only 10 out of 32 times in almost 10 years now. Infact leave alone heat, he brought cold winds from the pole in 7 consecutive matches losing 6-3 6-3; 7-5 6-3 6-1; 6-2 6-2; 6-3 6-3;6-1 6-2; 7-6(5) 6-2; 7-5 7-6(4)
 

Nole_King

Professional
Just to think Nadal is now not even close to the player he was in his prime yet still largely dominates the tour. Amazing really and respect to him despite his annoying tics
By largely you mean tour minus Federer and Novak, right? In last 5 years he is 4-16 against them with zero wins outside clay.

Ouch, did that hurt :p :-D
 

Nole_King

Professional
I'm pretty sure he was bringing the heat in 2020 Australia as well.
What happened, happened no?!
He's the biggest fighter but it does not mean none can beat him and everyone will be at his mercy..
According to his fans on TTW he was going to bring more heat at the 2019 AO final. There were so many of them explaining how he is going to win based on his journey to finals. All that heat could get was 8 games.
 

SonnyT

Hall of Fame
What is even more amazing than losing 3 tiebreaks to Thiem was that Nadal was a break up late in 2 of those sets! He let Thiem break him and then win the tiebreak not once, but twice!

A similar thing happened to Nadal at '17 AO F. He was a break up on Federer in the final set, and let Federer break him not once, but twice!
 
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Beckerserve

Legend
A month later if only they could play in Shanghai and Nadal would be destroyed like 2017 again. These days Fed against Nadal on clay is same as Nadal against Fed on fast courts.
In fairness Nadal will beat both Federer and Djokovic at the Us Open of they play there and obviously Roland Garros. Only at wimbledon would he lose to both. At Australia he would beat Federer the h2h is 3-1 to Nadal there.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
By largely you mean tour minus Federer and Novak, right? In last 5 years he is 4-16 against them with zero wins outside clay.

Ouch, did that hurt :p :-D
No it did not as at the Majors the h2h score is as follows:
Nadal 9-5 Djokovic
Nadal 10-4 federer.
As i said on another thread the tree to sit in currently is Nadal's.
 

Nole_King

Professional
In fairness Nadal will beat both Federer and Djokovic at the Us Open of they play there and obviously Roland Garros. Only at wimbledon would he lose to both. At Australia he would beat Federer the h2h is 3-1 to Nadal there.
Last I remember, @ AO he lost to Federer in 2017 and to Novak in 2019 winning ONLY 8 games. Ofcourse this means that Nadal would beat them both if they play now.

You are really something
 

Nole_King

Professional
No it did not as at the Majors the h2h score is as follows:
Nadal 9-5 Djokovic
Nadal 10-4 federer.
As i said on another thread the tree to sit in currently is Nadal's.
LOL .. You said lately and I took data of last 5 years where he 4-16 against the two with all 4 wins on clay. He has not won any match against Fedovic outside clay since AO 2014. 6 years and counting. Lucky he didn't face any of the two in his last two USO.
 

Enceladus

Legend
No it did not as at the Majors the h2h score is as follows:
Nadal 9-5 Djokovic
Nadal 10-4 federer.
As i said on another thread the tree to sit in currently is Nadal's.
Major H2H between Nadal and Djoker is 9-6, with Nadal leading this balance thanks to early matches from 2006-07, when Djoker was an inexperienced newcomer. In the GS final, their balance is tied 4-4. In other H2H statistics, Nole leads, which a fact that Nadal fans don't like to hear. :D
 

Beckerserve

Legend
Major H2H between Nadal and Djoker is 9-6, with Nadal leading this balance thanks to early matches from 2006-07, when Djoker was an inexperienced newcomer. In the GS final, their balance is tied 4-4. In other H2H statistics, Nole leads, which a fact that Nadal fans don't like to hear. :D
Nadal seems to live rent free in some Djokovic fans heads. A 9-6 h2h lead in best of 5 set matches is a domination it is very one sided. What stands out is over 5 sets at least even on Nadals worse surface (grass) the result would be in doubt. On north american hard Nadal amazingly would be favourite despite his knee issues. In Australia Djokovic would be favoured of course. But here is the rub. On clay it is not even competitive or even a rivalry. The statistics do not lie. More Majors, better h2h over 5 sets, better m1000 level record, Nadal ups the ante when the stakes increase. Not quite sure why so many Djokovic fans so bitter towards Nadal as most Nadal fans like Djokovic. It seems after Nadal pulled out of Us Open there may be a frustration that Nadal will have Us Open bragging rights for another 13 months maybe. anyway i want djokovic to win USO as if he can do it then USO 2021 would be well worth going to. Federer on 5 Nadal on 4 Nole on 4. What an epic event it would be with fans present
 

Beckerserve

Legend
LOL .. You said lately and I took data of last 5 years where he 4-16 against the two with all 4 wins on clay. He has not won any match against Fedovic outside clay since AO 2014. 6 years and counting. Lucky he didn't face any of the two in his last two USO.
I ask again what has Australia got to do with Us Open? Nadal has a 3-1 h2h lead over Federer in Australia and it is his worse slam albeit not his worse surface. On grass Federer is better. Find one Nadal fan who would disagree. In Australia Djokovic the best. Nobody surely argues. Paris does not merit discussion as it is so obvious. At the Us Open Nadal has been player of decade so would always start favourite. I am not seeing the controversy here at all. No disrespect is being levelled at Djokovic or Federer.
 
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Enceladus

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Nadal seems to live rent free in some Djokovic fans heads.
I encounter the opposite phenomenon - Djokovic lives for free in the heads of Nadal fans. :D

A 9-6 h2h lead in best of 5 set matches is a domination it is very one sided.
9-6 H2H at grandslams doesn't tell the whole story. Since 2011, when Nole finally began to fulfill its potential, Djoker won 6 out of 10 Djokodal confrontations on Grand Slam tournaments. Another thing that plays against Nole is the fact that on Nadal's estate - RG, Nole and Rafa played against each other 7 times, while on Djoker's estate - AO, only 2 times.
Until 2010, Nadal controlled Djokodal rivalry on grandslams. Since 2011, however, Nole has the upper hand in mutual grandslam matches with Rafa.

What stands out is over 5 sets at least even on Nadals worse surface (grass) the result would be in doubt. On north american hard Nadal amazingly would be favourite despite his knee issues. In Australia Djokovic would be favoured of course. But here is the rub. On clay it is not even competitive or even a rivalry. The statistics do not lie. More Majors, better h2h over 5 sets, better m1000 level record, Nadal ups the ante when the stakes increase. Not quite sure why so many Djokovic fans so bitter towards Nadal as most Nadal fans like Djokovic. It seems after Nadal pulled out of Us Open there may be a frustration that Nadal will have Us Open bragging rights for another 13 months maybe. anyway i want djokovic to win USO as if he can do it then USO 2021 would be well worth going to. Federer on 5 Nadal on 4 Nole on 4. What an epic event it would be with fans present
On the grass, Nole has the upper hand over Bull. Rafa's only win over Nole at Wimbledon is Djoker's retirement.
In any HC tournament, Nole is the favorite over Rafa, Rafa has not beat Djoker on the hard surface for 7 years. Another thing is that the USO will no longer be played on Deco Turf, which suited Rafa's game very much, but on Laykold. Laykold uses the Miami Masters, where Nadal won no title. Therefore, you should not be surprised by the possibility that Rafa will never win the USO again. :p:giggle:
 

Nole_King

Professional
I ask again what has Australia got to do with Us Open? Nadal has a 3-1 h2h lead over Federer in Australia and it is his worse slam albeit not his worse surface. On grass Federer is better. Find one Nadal fan who would disagree. In Australia Djokovic the best. Nobody surely argues. Paris does not merit discussion as it is so obvious. At the Us Open Nadal has been player of decade so would always start favourite. I am not seeing the controversy here at all. No disrespect is being levelled at Djokovic or Federer.
If Nadal can lose in a final at AO against Federer when he led the H2H 3-0, there are more chances of him losing to him there now IF H2H is the way to predict the score. He is player of the decade at USO because he didnt play Novak. Looking at his record against Novak outside of clay since 2013, it is far from foregone conclusion that he will be a favorite against Novak at USO.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
If Nadal can lose in a final at AO against Federer when he led the H2H 3-0, there are more chances of him losing to him there now IF H2H is the way to predict the score. He is player of the decade at USO because he didnt play Novak. Looking at his record against Novak outside of clay since 2013, it is far from foregone conclusion that he will be a favorite against Novak at USO.
Had Nadal played Djokovic at USO in 2017 and 2019 Nadal would have won and not lost more than a set each time. You may wish to airbrush tennis history pre 2014 but it is not how it works. Playing three times at a Major is more than the average amount players meet. Statistically Nadal wins 2 out every 3 matches he plays with Djokovic there. 2018 Nadal may have lost as final was indoors. Only reason he lost W 2018 was because it was indoors. Outside Australia in a best of 5 set format in outdoor conditions Nadal has an 8-2 h2h lead over Djokovic.
 

Beckerserve

Legend
I encounter the opposite phenomenon - Djokovic lives for free in the heads of Nadal fans. :D


9-6 H2H at grandslams doesn't tell the whole story. Since 2011, when Nole finally began to fulfill its potential, Djoker won 6 out of 10 Djokodal confrontations on Grand Slam tournaments. Another thing that plays against Nole is the fact that on Nadal's estate - RG, Nole and Rafa played against each other 7 times, while on Djoker's estate - AO, only 2 times.
Until 2010, Nadal controlled Djokodal rivalry on grandslams. Since 2011, however, Nole has the upper hand in mutual grandslam matches with Rafa.


On the grass, Nole has the upper hand over Bull. Rafa's only win over Nole at Wimbledon is Djoker's retirement.
In any HC tournament, Nole is the favorite over Rafa, Rafa has not beat Djoker on the hard surface for 7 years. Another thing is that the USO will no longer be played on Deco Turf, which suited Rafa's game very much, but on Laykold. Laykold uses the Miami Masters, where Nadal won no title. Therefore, you should not be surprised by the possibility that Rafa will never win the USO again. :p:giggle:
The best part of your post was the bit about the change of surface at USO which i was not aware of and is significant. You cannot say 9-6 is not the whole story. They are a year apart in age they are the exact same era. A direct comparison is easier than say with Federer. Most Rafa fans like Djokovic you know. That may change if Djokovic overtakes Nadal at m1000 level or Major level but currently Nadal fans are probably more smug if that is the right word.
As an aside the change in surface makes Murray a real threat this year. If he ever can sneak out a Major it will be in 4 weeks time. No wonder he was the first to commit there.
 

JaoSousa

Hall of Fame
No, it is relevant given federer was better in 2009 than today obviously. Over 5 sets outdoors off grass Nadal would always be favoured. Federer has only won once in 10 attempts off grass over 5 sets.
Are you counting Masters or just slams?
 
The best part of your post was the bit about the change of surface at USO which i was not aware of and is significant. You cannot say 9-6 is not the whole story. They are a year apart in age they are the exact same era. A direct comparison is easier than say with Federer. Most Rafa fans like Djokovic you know. That may change if Djokovic overtakes Nadal at m1000 level or Major level but currently Nadal fans are probably more smug if that is the right word.
As an aside the change in surface makes Murray a real threat this year. If he ever can sneak out a Major it will be in 4 weeks time. No wonder he was the first to commit there.
Problem with 9-6 is 7 out of 15 at Nadals strongest slam, which is disproportionate. Yes he does also lead Novak 2-1 at USO but the numbers would obviously be more in Novak's favor if there was a fair distribution of meeting at all slams.

Nonetheless Rafa did win 9 out of the 15 times they met so credit to him. Can only play on what surface you're on. Rafa is the best big match player ever, but I do think the two are even in a head to head sense across all 4 slams averaged out and this would reflect if they had met proportionally.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
No, it is relevant given federer was better in 2009 than today obviously. Over 5 sets outdoors off grass Nadal would always be favoured. Federer has only won once in 10 attempts off grass over 5 sets.
Off grass includes clay as well, nice cherry picking there.

Times change. Federer is undefeated vs Nadal off clay in the last 5-6 years winning their last 6 matches, which wasn't the case before.

He won 5 matches in a row at one point, which he had never done before.

Nadal was up 8-2 on outdoor HC at one point until Fed won the last 4 matches there.

Plus, Nadal doesn't play the way he used to trouble Federer in the past.

If Nadal does beat Fed in the future, it will be because Fed will be close to 40 years old, not because of the AO H2H.
 

mike danny

Bionic Poster
No, it is relevant given federer was better in 2009 than today obviously. Over 5 sets outdoors off grass Nadal would always be favoured. Federer has only won once in 10 attempts off grass over 5 sets.
It's my turn to cherry pick. Nadal is 0-6 off clay against Fed in the last 5-6 years.
 

Nole_King

Professional
Had Nadal played Djokovic at USO in 2017 and 2019 Nadal would have won and not lost more than a set each time. You may wish to airbrush tennis history pre 2014 but it is not how it works. Playing three times at a Major is more than the average amount players meet. Statistically Nadal wins 2 out every 3 matches he plays with Djokovic there.
How generous of you for not including USO 2018. If statistics was the way to predict then Federer would not be leading your boy 6-1 after training him 23-10.

2018 Nadal may have lost as final was indoors. Only reason he lost W 2018 was because it was indoors.
2011 Wimbledon was not outdoor but still Nadal lost. If an inform Nadal could not take out a Novak who was still low in confidence and coming back from a prolonged slump, that speaks of his chances against him there.

Outside Australia in a best of 5 set format in outdoor conditions Nadal has an 8-2 h2h lead over Djokovic.
Outside Roland Garros in any condition, indoor or outdoor, Novak has a 5-3 h2h lead of Nadal. Deal with it.
 
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