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  1. tlm

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    Yes it's a lot of work and hopefully it will pay off one day. I still use a 1 handed slice a lot when playing matches but I am gradually hitting more and more 2 handed backhands than I ever did in the past.
     
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  2. ByeByePoly

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    I have the same dilemma ... the 2hbh is an increased future offense tease.
     
  3. tlm

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    I am using it more now than in the past. I'm trying to play pickup matches and say the hell with the score and really try to hit a high % of 2 handers. When I'm hitting it well I am a much better player than when I just slice. But if I'm off some I will make more errors with the 2 hander.

    But I can already see how much better it will make my game if I can dial it in. With it I can now hit high topspin shots off both wings which gets more shots back to my forehand side. Plus it's great for passing net rushers.
     
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    i still use 2hbh too. I've used it for roughly 39 years of the 40+ years i've been playing. I use some slice too depending on opponents and shot situation, but majority are 2hbh topspin. lots of people say old guys should just slice but i know a guy in his mid 80s and he is still using 2hbh. He played d1 college tennis when he was young. I like to hit the 2hbh.
     
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    I like to hit it also but need to get my mechanics better and then I will have more confidence to use it like I should.
     
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    Good practice hit today...ended by serving and playing our points for 45 minutes
     
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    Training tomorrow with Rafa at itUSA. Such a great teacher and coach!


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    Know a lot of players that have gone through him. You aren't a slacker if he keeps you around. Very cool.
     
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    I’ve known Rafa for many years and try to train with him every time I travel to AZ. He’s a terrific coach


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  10. tlm

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    It does get tougher with age to pick up the ball in low light. Not only in low light but on those super clear bright days it is also difficult seeing the ball.
     
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    i know this is a cop-out, but i find myself avoiding matches in dark indoor clubs... preferring drilling only during the winter season.
    so some folks think i'm just ducking them when i say i don't want to play matches indoor :p (but i also don't want to make excuses)
     
  12. tlm

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    When I start playing indoors it takes me a week or so to get adjusted to indoor lighting. But once I adjust I'm usually ok indoors. It depends on where you play though some indoor courts have much better lighting than others.
     
  13. nytennisaddict

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    alot of clubs don't want to spend the money on new lights... they are expensive...
    hopefully they switch over the LED lighting (supposedly last longer, cheaper to operate, etc...), but replacing the ballasts might be expensive.
     
  14. tlm

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    How many indoor clubs have you played at? Most in my area have good lighting, but like I said you have to go inside for a while and adjust to the lighting. Your not going to go from outdoor to indoor and instantly be able too see well right away.
     
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  15. ByeByePoly

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    Several years ago, I was going to join my old club again for the winter. I played a doubles match indoors (same place I played fine for 15+ years) ... and it was so bad I didn't even join. I was always use to the first week transition period @tlm mentioned, but this was different. I couldn't track the ball good enough to enjoy it. Give me outdoors and sunshine and I'm seeing great. One of my eye docs says it's because outside the pupil size reduces ... and the focusing doesn't get filtered through as much of your eye imperfections. When the pupil expands ... say you have astigmatism or other imperfections, now the focusing involves a wider portion of the front of your eye. No doubt there are other reasons also. I live with some pretty large floaters ... which I manage fine outside. I always figure they bother me more indoors. The other thing the eye doc mentioned is our lens (cataract) starts to cloud ... and that makes artificial light sources harder.

    In my late 20s and early 30s ... I always struggled indoors. The worse was return of serve. Then at 34 ... had Lasik ... and showed up at indoor season a different player. Man... did that feel good to be able to see return of serve. Had a friend that also did Lasik ... and it was also the return of serve where it showed up the most.

    You are WAY to young for that now. Just wait until you are as old as tlm ... says the guy who will be 60 in Feb. :eek:
     
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  16. ByeByePoly

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    My club had indirect lighting ... shined to the white ceiling and reflected light down. It was decent lighting ... and never seemed dark inside. I would play occasionally at another club in town that had direct lighting. When you walked to the court, it seemed much darker inside. But I actually could see the ball better (much better). Go figure.
     
  17. tlm

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    I played indoors my 2nd time this year the other night and it didn't seem that bad. Maybe I'm just lucky and my club has better lighting compared to where you guys play. My wife plays on more teams than I do and she plays in a lot of different clubs but she says that there only a couple that have to dark of a lighting set up.

    But she does not like it outside when it is to bright or when it's getting low light at dusk. So I'm kind of surprised you guys are having that much trouble indoors.
     
  18. ByeByePoly

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    Well ... you have to know where my eyes were. I was 10.5-11.0 diopters near sighted (that's frickin blind... can't see the clock next to the bed type of blind), with a good dose of astigmatism. I wore hard contacts (didn't have gas permeable back then) starting at age 15. At age 34 ... first Lasik in Canada ... I got to 20/30-40ish. A year later ... it became legal in the states ... so had a second one to get to 20/20. Turns out the second one ... cutting the flap again ... proved to be dangerous. Several folks got their eyes damaged with that second flap cut. I was lucky, no problems ... and after the 2nd Lasik was basically 20/20 with no Astigmatism. In the last two years, the Astigmatism showed back up ... initially still not near sighted. That's why back to the glasses. Lasik left me with an irregular cornea surface ... irregular astigmatism. Eye doc said it didn't show up for those 20 post Lasik years probably because young eyes are able to make adjustments older ones can't. Yeah she age slammed me ... and she is frickin hot (not relevant to this discussion ... but I'm telling you ... frickin hot). Finally this year ... just a little near sightedness showed back up... .50. Anyway ... can't wear soft contacts to correct my irregular eye surface. Tried ... not even toric made a dent. Turns out the only ones that would work are the scleral lenses. Not the "colored halloween lens" ... the ones that are bigger than regular hard contacts. Cover the colored part of eye ... rest on the white part of the high. Basically vaults your cornea surface ... with saline solution remaining between the lens and the eye. Supposedly works great ... and rivals soft contacts in comfort. I just didn't want to spend the $1500 ... so therefore the frickin glasses and the sweat gutter. :D

    I don't even bother playing at night under the lights. I also don't like the dusk. I did hit once this summer at our new indoor tennis center (public) ... and it was good enough with my current glasses that I am planning on trying to play doubles once a week. It's become very hard to start up again in Spring after 3-4 months off.
     
  19. nytennisaddict

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    lol, your posts are hilarious. like frickin hilarious :p

    i was considering lasik, specifically for tennis, but wasn't sure if was worth it (so sweat gutter (gosh these look stupid) and glasses for me as well - when forced in play in compromised lighting )... would you do lasik if you were me?

    yeah, i get alot of sh*t from my younger hitting partners when i turn them down to play at night under the lights.
     
  20. nytennisaddict

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    many.
    usta (spring/winter) alone guarantees i'm playing in like 12-16 different clubs throughout the year.
    the worst are the bubbled ones.
    but many are too cheap to change the lights.
     
  21. OnTheLine

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    Except for the months of December and January (a bit too cold some days and often windy) , I am glad to play 100% on outdoor courts with natural lighting.
    Playing under lights outdoors is also tough for me. Some courts are lit better than others and some are disasters negotiating the shadows. I have a difficult time perceiving ball speed and sometimes trajectory at certain lit courts at night.

    Indoors, no problems with the lighting, there is only one indoor club here and the lighting is fine. But the courts are so slow and there is no room on the alleys before you are tangled in the divider curtain, not to mention the air quality .. a lot of sneezing.
     
  22. ByeByePoly

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    I'm glad my blindness and hot eye doc provided some amusement. Hot really doesn't do her justice. When she stares into my eyes {ok ... through that instrument} I feel a connection.

    What did you ask? Oh yeah ... NYTA Lasik?

    That isn't easy to answer. I think it was both the best thing I ever did for myself (besides the wife if she reads my post ... and honey, you are hotter than the eye doc) ... and the riskiest. I mean ... I risked and lost a lot of $ with stocks ... but you only have two eyes. I had an additional consideration besides not being functional without contacts and pop bottle glasses (if I owned any ... just quit buying glasses I would never wear). After all the years of outdoor sports, wind and plastic lens in my eye, I had developed a callouses in my eyes that the lens were bumping up against. By lunch on my software contracts, with the contacts and the lightning and staring at the screen ... my eyes looked like I had partied all night (or that morning). So I was running out of good options ... soft contacts couldn't correct my vision.

    In another post ... I could tell you about the first Lasik in Canada, and having to decide on the spot about the surgeon cutting the flap for the first time from the opposite side because of that callous. Fun times ...

    To your question, it doesn't sound like your uncorrected vision is bad. To me the risk reward for you doesn't sound worth it. People just have no idea what it meant to someone like me to wake up and see the clock. When the Canadian doc lasered the first eye, and flipped the flap back ... I could immediately see. There is healing time to settle in to your final sharp vision ... but from where I came from it was instant.

    I would go for a consult and have them do a topography of your eye. The tech has improved, both topography and the laser. When I did it, your cornea had to be a certain thickness to accommodate the flap cut. For me it was a blade ... called a microkeratome. Now they have bladeless options. The tech and surgery options have changed. I was told they no longer do Lasik on patients like me anymore with diopters in my range. Now they do some kind of additional lens insert.
     
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  23. ByeByePoly

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    Ah ... a sweat gutter confession. I knew you had considered it, but did not know you did the walk of shame. That will give me some cover. These guys respect you and Mikeler. It got cooler here ... ball machine sessions now guttter free.
     
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  24. nytennisaddict

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    thx.
    yeah, my vision is not terrible (yet). probably ~ -2.0 diopters... but enough where there is a difference in how quickly i'm reading the ball off the opposing player's racquet if i don't have my glasses
    but glasses are another issue (fogging, sweat, peripheral vision, etc,...) so i don't like wearing them.
    sounds like i'll hold off on lasik for a while (my default, lazy option anyway :p)
     
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  25. ByeByePoly

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    Are you allowed in this thread ... you aren't 50.
     
  26. nytennisaddict

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    lol, the gutter is so not cool. don't use me as a model. i lost cool points (if i ever had any), decades ago.
    these days i don't care anymore what most folks think of me...
    and for the folks whose opinions i do care about.. doesn't matter if i'm getting harrassed a bit, because we're still all on the same mission (improve every day, serve each other, etc...)
     
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  27. nytennisaddict

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    was hoping i'd get a special pre-pass. only a few years away.
     
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  28. ByeByePoly

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    I am really surprised you can play without correction of -2.0. Why not soft contacts. Unless you have astigmatism ... soft contacts should work.

    OMG ... you spanked @Shroud blind.
     
  29. onehandbh

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    How do you call lines accurately?!
     
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  30. nytennisaddict

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    i don't.
    i end up calling alot of out balls, in.
     
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  31. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Can someone please post an image of a “sweat gutter”??? I’m having a difficult time imagining that!


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  32. ByeByePoly

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    I already have. Still waiting for @nytennisaddict and @mikeler to post their pics. Mikeler started this sh*t.

    Before and after ... I have no pride:

    [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Note: that sucker doesn't work for me unless I tuck my cap right down to the top of it. Just in case there are a run on these after these pics. :p
     
  33. nytennisaddict

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    didn't realize they come in clear :p
    yours looks pretty good. probably because you have hair :p
     
  34. ByeByePoly

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    No ... it does not look good. Yes, looks like the hair is going to hang in there even while everything else is breaking down.

    @Traffic asked the best question. "Could you remove the logo... if so he would consider it".

    :D:D:D

    Like that is going to help. It's literally a gutter on your forehead that channels sweat to just in front of your ears. None of that becomes ok if you just lose the logo. But it works ... and cooler than the bandana I had under the cap. Did I mention it gets hot here? Guess that is obvious from second pic. Wife said that doesn't even look like me. I guess she hadn't seen me right after 2 hours singles in August for a while.

    @BounceHitBounceHit so owes me for posting those pics.
     
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  35. BounceHitBounceHit

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    Nice! I’ve never seen one before!!!!


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    I will throw up some Rafa training video!


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    You hitting with Nadal?
     
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    I've never seen one, either!!!!
     
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    Do they sell a small cup or container to catch the sweat behind the ears if one is an eco-warrior and wants to harvest the sweat water?
     
  41. ByeByePoly

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    Didn't think you could make it more hideous ... but guess I was wrong.

    FYI ... I would go with tubes to a collection container behind the neck. Figure out how to make it cold ... and you can lower your temp and the planet's.
     
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    I'm sure if you sported these in the 80s, you'd be stylin'!!

    I'm so sad that I can't find my Castelli biking bandana. My wife said I look like a sushi chef with it...
     
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    Isn't that what the principal of Stil suits was about from "Dune"?
     
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    Hey Geezers: 63. Playing since I was 17 after seeing Jimbo play in person. 4.0 now due to slowness and play in USTA League over 40 and 55's.
    Have lost a step or two with osteoarthritis in both knees from frightful hockey youth. Play 3-4 times per week.
    Playing with a heavily modified Dunlop 300G '05. It's sort of an oversize players stick like a POG would be. Soft 57 flex makes it manageable. Still string with Gut mains.
    Only play doubles now (sad) after 30 years of singles exclusivity. Still learning good doubles play and hate losing to lesser strokes, better positioned doubles specialists. "it just ain't fair"!!!!! Bastids!
    Taking online coursework with GiGi Fernandez to sharpen up my doubles play proving you can teach an old dog new tricks.
     
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    Was right by there last night. My son trains with Greg at Paseo. Love the folks there, but talking about lights...there are some there that are unusable. We played matches on the back courts and those have newer lights, so not bad, but 13-16, I can't see the ball until it is past the next on my side.
     
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    Sounds like many players here for age and issues. Good luck with the dubs work. It is a fast paced bit of fun once everyone is tuned in.
     
  47. onehandbh

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    You could wear one sweat gutter on each of your upper thighs. It would capture/redirect sweat from your torso area.

    Please don't post a photo of you doing this... NSFW.
     
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    Are you referring to iTUSA?


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    OK..... so who's the oldest (er...least young) player on here, that plays regularly? I'm 66, will be 67 in 2 weeks. Post up!
     
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    Yes


    Probably posting from the court between sets.
     

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