Well, I don't think he gets it, unfortunately.
Serena and Venus' mother blasts Kim Clijsters
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Well, I don't think he gets it, unfortunately.
li0scc0
Hall of Fame
The first two sentences make sense. It would be cool for a Chinese player to win a Slam and it is nice to see first-timers winning. That's why I expect to be rooting for Li Na when she takes the court against Clijsters at 3:30 a.m. ET on Saturday. But what's with the "I don't want my vision blurred" statement, you ask? We'll get to that in a bit.
In response to the above tweet, a follower of Oracene asked whether she was pulling for Li Na (in case it wasn't obvious). The response:
She thinks Clijsters is dubious? Does she mean morally suspect or not to be relied upon or doubting? Was there a previous run-in with either Venus or Serena that we don't know about? Is she still mad about Serena's infamous foot fault against Clijsters in the 2009 U.S. Open? Oracene doesn't make it clear. It's a strange insult regardless of the reason.
"The Madusah scare" sounds like a band playing the tent at Coachella, so I'm guessing Oracene means the Medusa stare, a reference to the mythological maiden who was robbed of her beauty by Athena and made so hideous that you turned to stone simply by looking at her face. That must mean Oracene either thinks Clijsters is ugly, has snakes for hair or will be beheaded by Perseus in an attempt to rescue his mother from the evil grips of King Polydectes. I'm guessing it's the third one.
On one level, I appreciate Oracene's straightfoward style. She thinks what she thinks and doesn't care what anyone says about it. It can be refreshing. On the other hand, taking shots at Clijsters for no apparent reason is the definition of classless. Oracene says she doesn't like dubious people, but is fine with her own insolence?
Wait a minute...I think we have this all wrong.
She doesn't mean Medusa, she meant Madrasa. She was referring to Kim Clijsters as a Sunni Islamic Theological School.
I think we can lay this thread to rest now, given we know Oracene's true intent.
LOL.
The reason she received those contracts is because of her backers (IMG and Bolleteri) and her marketing coupled with good results in grand slams with winning Wimbledon at age 17.
She fit the mold they were looking to fill well enough as the "next Kournikova" because she was blonde and white and reasonably successful plus she had two major marketing machines behind her.
And those 2 marketing machines were calling her the next Kournikova ever since she was a little kid at 9 or 10 years old...she was their next cash cow.
There are certainly much better looking players than her and much more talented players than her.
It is so completely ridiculous that you use who gets endorsement deals as evidence of anything other than having a good agent.
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I see your post is getting weaker and weaker b/c you can’t support your claim. How much has been changed? Not much at all for the last 30 years. All the winners have strikingly similar look and built. The same looks as we see in today’s supermodels. Capiche ?
Miss Universe winners:
2010- Ximena Navarrete
2000- Lara Dutta
1990- Mona Grudt
1980- Shawn Weatherly
Continue to ignore the evidence I provided if it helps you sleep well at night.
Are you talking about rating only in the USA? Only in Australia? Or the entire network around the world?
Be specific !!
tennisnoob3
Professional
because winning grand slams gets her much more money than her endorsements, yet sharapova still made more.
are you going to ignore common sense?
I'm not sure you know any history at all. The flag is not racist. Do some research before you fall into the leftist mush head group.
Second you don't know a d@mn thing about me. You have no idea what I've done for others and what sacrifices I've made. So don't f'in preach to me!!
So spending money in a 3rd world country makes them a better person? I don't think so- just a publicity stunt. There's plenty of things they could do here in the USA and not do a special on it to show off on The Tennis Channel.
I don't think anyone is charmed by their on court antics enough to want to play tennis and be like them. They've burnt every bridge they've had in the past. They have been in so many tennis academies FOR FREE and used those coaches without giving any credit to btw. That's the main reason they have been successful as players. They've been coached by the best and paid ZERO for it. Old man William's has seen to that I'm sure. Once they run up a huge tab they bolt to another camp. Nice parents IMO.
I hope you are just joking. Being the "next Kournikova" has nothing to do with talent, purely physical appearance. Sharapova is an attractive woman and people notice for that even now. After she won Wimbledon, she had everything going for herself, but had she not been an attractive woman she would not have gotten as many endorsements.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
You must remember, certain members have a hate-driven agenda, so if you perform a search, you will quickly see how a certain few members troll every thread where the Williams family are topics. Further, in a real example of the stalking/obsessive profile, they will post a Williams reference in threads where the sisters were not the topic to any degree, so the trolls post only as a way ot attack the family.
I've said it before, and i'll say it again, women's tennis has never been a home to the cartoony/regressed male idea of beauty. For decades, women in professional tennis have had to suffer being the butt of jokes regarding facial beauty. No matter who you name--whether its Henin (not that magazine cover), Graf, Sharapova, Hingis, Novotna, Martinez, Venus, Serena, Fernandez, Navratilova, Wade, Shriver, Seles, Vaidisova, Jankovic, Goolagong, Azarenka, Sanchez-Vicario, Peer, Kuznetsova, Capriati, Mauresmo, Clijsters, Pierce, Vera, Garrison, Coetzer, King, Dokic, Sukova, Rubin, Schultz or anyone else you can think of, most were not--nor will they ever be the "man on the street's" first choice of the flat-out beautiful woman.
This does not mean some will not find them attracttive--yes, some do, but it is a taste certainly not shared by the masses, otherwise that kind of attention would be evident--far beyond tennis fans and the here-and-there magazine nod. Even Evert (early years), Kournikova and Sabatini--ladies the general media occasionally noted for their looks still do not meet the conditions of the sweeping fantasy-laced assesments seen in this and other threads.
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THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Kim did not win the last 3 major events. Since you often stab the language with your knuckle-dragging posts, The only truly major events are the majors: the AO, FO, Wimbledon and the USO. Not other events of highly questionable value. Of the last three important events Kim played (yes, the majors), she only won the last three, not two (we know who won the 2010 Wimbledon), but the last two. Each time kim appears in a final, the biggest audience for the sport makes their utter lack of interest known. This is not a benefit to the sport, no matter how well she actually plays.
There is no fact in anything you post, only subjective bullsh*t.
True tennis fans--and the biggest players all value the majors above all else, which renders IW a truly irrelevant event.
Your failure to comprehend basic math does not need a repeat. The USO's biggest audience--like all of the sport--is the TV audience, and Kim's finals are of little interest to the aforementioned audience, as repeatedly proven by ratings. If you followed tennis, this easy to access information would not need to be repeated to you.
Illogical. Oracene or Richard's comments mean nothing to anyone--other than hooded sociopaths with a certain kind of chip on their fragile shoulders. Meanwhile, after more than a decade, the sisters have not suffered from their parents' statements. Why? Because rational minds (unlike many in this thread) know one does not represent the other.
You need to get out of your mom's basement. The Year End Championship is a very prestige(and important) tournament. It's only play once a year and only the top players qualify. It test a player's ability to play consistently high level from beginning to end. And plus, it's the final big tourney of the year, a fitting ending to win. I know you are going to ignore it b/c Sharapova and Clijsters embarrassed your Serena in the final.
If you watch tennis, you would know which year was better. I've seen it, and I say 2011 > 2010. If you don't watch tennis, you have no opinion.
True fans watch tennis and IW is definitely an attractive event. Serena boycotted the tourney but IW still enjoy huge success year after year. But it means nothing to Serena lovers b/c she doesn't play.
Which TV audience? In the USA? Europe? Asia? Australia?
The attendance at the USO 2010 surpassed 700K without Serena. That makes it 4 yrs in a row. THey even stated 2010 was the most successful ever ! Hmm..must be Kim, Wozniacki and other players are doing a great job.
Oracence stupid comments made the news everywhere, even in major website like yahoo sport. Fans will read it, and openly criticize for her classless and bitterness. But means nothing to Serena lovers.
You totally missed the point. It's not about Serena's chances against the field(e.g. KIm, Li). If you want to talk about your Serena's chance, that's another topic. The point is Serena is irrevalent in down under b/c no one miss her. Kim and the other players provided more entertaning than enough to need Serena. In fact, I would say this year final is WAY better than last year. I've already proved you wrong about IW and 2010 US open, where the event still gain wealth and popularity without Serena, and that was in US soil. Now imagine in Australia(half a world away), even an 18 years old Bernard Tomic is WAY more reconizable figure than Serena!
Let's look at the last 3 major events:
2011 Australian Open
2010 Year-End-Championship
2010 US Open
Kim is in the league of her own right now. I can understand Oracene envy about Kim, but to lose her cool by insulting a well deserve sport icon is a classless, sore loser. Her daughters paid a price for her stupid action.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
There's not much he understands, as his quotes on this page reveal....
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
It is not a major.
Players, fans and history consider winning majors as the zenith of accomplishment in the sport. Not YEC--or the forgettable IW.
End of story.
Get back to us when you prove you actually know anything about the sport.
TV audiences in general surpass the attendance/seating capacity of any sporting event. That you even question this rather basic fact reveals just how thick-skulled you are...or that hood is robbing you of your eyesight.
Kim is no draw for the sport's biggest audience, and after 15 pages you have ducked and dodged it, but this painful fact will never fade away.
No, it did not make the news "everywhere" as most sport related items take a back seat to hard news, entertainment gossip and associated media. Moreover, unless something significant occurs, tennis--or related stories--is buried behind sports as obscure as hockey. In your desperation and cave-speak, you cannot cite one example of the Williams parents' comments hurting the ascension of the sisters as the #1 and #2 greatest players of the generation. Their comments did not stop their popularity with the sport's biggest audience.
We know the reason your little fantasy world cannot grasp this.
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NadalAgassi
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Clijsters and Henin are/were both great players at the height of their games but even when either was at their dominant best playing wise (eg- Henin in 2007 or 2003-early 2004 when she was even more dominant than Kim is now) neither carried much audience appeal or star power that carried outside the core of hardcore tennis fans to the general casual sports follower (where most of the viewers still come we must remember). Even clearly inferior players to the 2 Belgians like Maria Sharapova, Jennifer Capriati, and in an even more extreme case Anna Kournikova brought far more viewers and interest than the 2 Belgians.
The Williams sisters in addition to being the greatest players of their era also have the intangible star appeal that is needed to draw crossover and casual fans into the sport and bring up TV ratings and interest in the game. Basically they are Sharapova plus ten times better tennis. Henin at her best was say Venus minus any glamor, popularity, or appeal outside of her tennis skills. Clijsters the same.
The Williams sisters in addition to being the greatest players of their era also have the intangible star appeal that is needed to draw crossover and casual fans into the sport and bring up TV ratings and interest in the game. Basically they are Sharapova plus ten times better tennis. Henin at her best was say Venus minus any glamor, popularity, or appeal outside of her tennis skills. Clijsters the same.
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NadalAgassi
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Hardly. Last years final showed had Henin playing by far the best tennis of her whole otherwise miserably failed comeback and pushing Serena to the limit in an exciting and enthralling battle which in the end Serena's trademark clutch serving and determination pulled her through. This years final was pretty good for womens tennis of late I suppose, but it still featured a sometimes sluggish Kim overcoming herself mainly to overcome a nice underdog story 28 year old darkhorse player but not exactly a remotedly marqueen name opponent who in the end folded to nerves and the occasion as the match went on.
There were only 3 impressive things about this years Australian Open.
-Kim's continued excellent second career and continued surge upwards closer towards the Henin/Venus territory of greatness, and also giving the womens game a clear #1 in the absence of Serena.
-The inspired play of the aging late blooming veteran Fransesca Schiavone who continues to impress with her flair and all court play which is all to too rare in the womens game today, along with her fighting heart and emotion on court.
-The possible signs of a resurgence for the enigmatic Svetlana Kuznetsova who outclassed and retired the washed up Henin in an impressive 2 set drubbing, and played an epic battle with Schiavone which turned into one of the longest tussles in history.
-The story of Li Na becoming the first Chinese women to reach a major final, and finally gaining some mastery of her always potent but often too erratic power baseline game. And the personality she revealed that people did not know she had in her first stage appearance as a star of the womens game.
That seems like alot of good but frankly there was alot more bad than good:
-Wozniacki continuing to prove herself an epic flop as World #1, pushing her way to victories even over mediocre opponents, hitting 10 winners per match, letting Schiavone and Li Na completely dictate the entire match on their terms and only by some miracle nearly reaching the final due to Schiavone's 5 hour epic the day before and Li Na's nerves. In the end what does it say that a World #1 is the bookies underdog against a player outside the top 20 going into their semifinal. And in the end Li Na despite playing her worst match of the whole Australian journey (including the warmup) still rips the match away from Wozniacki on her own terms from match point down, nailing winners at will, and the so called World #1 seemingless helpess to do anything against a player typically known in the womens game as merely a dangerous floater.
-Sharapova's continued to declined towards complete mediocrity and possibly very early retirement. After double faulting and brainlessly error scraping past a few obsucre opponents is drubbed by the first merely decent opponent she faces for the loss of only a few games.
-The continued failure of the up and coming generation, actually led by Wozniacki (now that is sad) to make any real impression or signs of their ability to take the reigns from the aging veteran stars still dominating the womens game. Azarenka being spanked off the court with ease by the more powerful hitting of Li Na. Radwanka giving Clijsters a decent match, but only after needing some trickery to avoid a 1st round defeat to 40 year old Kimiko Date, and still showing none of the offensive weapons needed to even contend for slams. Wickmayer taking another early crash out of a big event. Kvitova playing well but falling meekly in a one sided affair to Zvonareva in the quarters.
-The continued collapse of Vera Zvonareva in big late stage matches of major events. After looking perhaps the best of anyone entering the semis she comes unglued in a sequence of tactically vacant tennis and careless errors in
being badly beaten down by Clijsters in a surprisingly one sided semifinal.
-Sam Stosur looking more and more like a flash in the pan after her dissapointing near miss at Roland Garros. Didnt she have 0 winners in one set vs Kvitova? Pathetic stuff for a so called new contender of the womens game.
-The sad slide to retirement of the ailing and aging Venus Williams, whose body and generic clock continue to let her down.
-The embarassing final curtain call for Justine Henin, who ends a very weak comeback attempt with another abysmal performance.
Surely the great Serena Williams would have added some more needed positively and another great storyline either way to a mostly negative affair, win or lose.
Raiden
Hall of Fame
There is nothing "extreme" about the case of Kournikova. You seem surprised. But actually there's nothing stange about that: location is everything.
Each and every one of those players, including and especially Kournikova and Sharapova are US based players. That is one of the fundament of their commercial success and the resulting "extra" fame and publicity. I bet if Ana Ivanovic was a New Yorker or a Los Angelista she'd be far more famous and would make far more money than she makes now living in tiny little Serbia/Switzerland/Frech Riviera/Spain.
Would Sharapova make the same amount of money if she was still in Moscow? I don't think so. Would Serena make the same amount of money if she was still living in her birthplace of poor Michigan instead of where she is now (Miami/Palm Beach)? I don't think so. Would Venus sell one didly squat item if she was running her business from Compton? I don't think so.
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NadalAgassi
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Sorry but Kournikova is definitely not considered an American by hardly anyone, despite that she was a U.S resident. Sharapova you have a point on. However it is not just an American thing. Look at how popular Steffi Graf, Bjorn Borg, Boris Becker, Gabriela Sabatini (1 slam only winner), and others who had virtually no ties to the U.S were (Graf moved to the U.S very late in her career).
Raiden
Hall of Fame
I'm afraid you misunderstood me.
What matters is where they are based in order for them to be in the limelight. I'm not talking about whether Americans percieve them as American or not. What matters is that they "sell" the American dream. In order to do that they have to be first and formost: be readily available and on short notice - it's called convenience.
A good case study of this is Federer: he is an ideal market-friendly celeb who'd outsell any other athlete on the planet (which he's doing now finally) but for a long time Fed was making less money than a bunch of athletes in the NFL/NBA/PGA... etc) only because he refuses to move out of tiny Switzerland. He won't even go to a more "international" place like Paris or Monaco, which is what a lot of Euro-athletes do, not only to save money but also to increase their celeb-profile.
I didn’t say the YEC is a slam, but it still very prestige tournament and any players would love to add to their collection. The fact is there’s only top 8 players that can qualify before even have a chance to win it speaks volume. Only a handful of players were able to win it. Only a moron would say the YEC is not important.
Tennis is a global sport and it isn’t play only in the USA. It’s shallow to only judge the rating only in the USA when tennis are played on every continents. It’s like using Chinese TV rating for this year AO final and compare to previous years. Li Na definitely add more viewers in China. Just like what you are doing for Serena except using the rating in the USA. You are very shallow.
Every fans know Oracene’s stupid comments, there’s nothing you can hide these days b/c it’s all over the internet, even on the radio. She made a tragic error and some fans will root against their daughters, regardless the sisters didn’t do anything.
Reasonable post. Had she knew it would stirred up the media and fans getting on her case, she would have handle it differently. She never like Kim, but keep it to herself and not expose to the public.
That's the problem with some posters in here. They think we disapprove Serena's action on/off court is equate to HATING her. And even play the race card. They totally missed the point and have no idea it's all about CHARACTER.
And I agree Venus is so much different from her sister.
Dedans Penthouse
Legend
Should Oracene and not heard
li0scc0
Hall of Fame
Agree. It is not hating at all.
I cannot stand her behavior on the court. I cannot remember, however, a player who, when they flip that switch, could dominate like Serena could. She could be down a set, and down 1-4...and then that switch flipped...and she could, and would, win.
As a fan, I wish she had that drive and desire all the time. But...when I saw it, it was impressive. Even IF I was cheering for the opponent!!
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
The hypocrisy is ridiculous. That 'Amelie_Mauresmo' moron accuses everyone of racism/sexism if they say anything negative about the Williams sisters, but not a day goes by on this forum that someone takes swipes at Murray for his appearance and game, yet this is not an issue.
Absolutely. You can include Thundervolley and Soianka too. Also when Sharapova, Wozniacki, Henin, and other white players getting bashed for their games and their looks, no one is crying out racism/sexism. There's only one Serena but many blond players. There's a lot more trash talk on these blonds than Serena, that's for sure. Hypocrisy is an understatement.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
True; Clijsters is a solid player--superior to the player she was during the 1st chapter of her career.
I expect more from the alway entertaining Schiavone, who had to be drained of energy in order for the fake #1 to overcome her at the AO. Regarding Kuznetsova....too many mental hiccups for her own good. We have witnessed SK matches in the past, where she had opponents down for the count...only to allow others to spring back in to take the match. Unless she hires a sports psychologist ASAP, she will forever be the player with flashes of great court insight (as in her match vs. Justine), but always falls short.
Going for too much, and rushing are her biggest problems. If she eliminates the issues (and age does not cause any problems), she will certainly win a major in the future.
Sharp assessment, and all so true. But if this little fake #1 situation teaches anyone anything, it would be that when real battles occur, BS falls apart easily, which we have witnessed with this fake #1 since she reached that rank. Where is the loud praise and prediction for this "great" player now?
She needs to retire; her shoulder remains a problem, and even before the shoulder, most of the top players figured out her game. Now, just about anyone can beat her.
Yeah, some fans who love to spew venom about the best of the older players really have no idea about the bleak period the women's tour is on the eve of entering. The Wozniacki era? God help us all.
Though they are a bad match-up at the majors, still, one would think Vera's chances at the majors can only improve, now that she no longer falls apart (emotionally) at the first sign of trouble.
Venus was in very poor form at the AO, and she needs a serious wake-up call about the gut she's sporting. She still has time to get in shape for her best major, so why not try to make another run bfore the wind is truly gone from her sails?
At least she had the sense to end it now, before playing with injury leads to a number of bad losses to no-name players.
Agreed; fans want to see the best clash. Li Na was a good story, but a SW/Clijsters final would have been pure entertainment.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Who says it is not an issue? TW Murray fans have been complaining for years about bad teeth jokes, comparisons between wild birds or the Napoleon Dynamite character to Murray...the works. Oh, and have you forgotten the complaints about the endless "monkey" and "topspin monkey" slurs hurled at Nadal?
You need to take a good, long look at this board's history before crying hypocrisy.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Only a slobbering cretin would try to place the YEC on the same level as a major--the very thing your feeble-minded ass attempted in padding Kim's portfolio.
TV is the biggest venue for sports fan interest/support around the world, which is know to just about anyone over the age of 10. Moreover, you are the dolt who harped on the USO's attendance, yet the event's biggest audience let their remotes take them elsewhere for the second year in a row thanks to the less than stellar women's finals--both with Kim.
Once again, your cave-math fails you....but it is nice to see you keep up a personal tradition.
No one cares what the Williams parents say, and once again, you cannot prove how any of their statements have hurt the unquestioned popularity of sisters over the course of their careers. Yeah, we know you cannot prove your hate-filled fantasy has merit, so I fully expect you to dodge this again and again.
Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
Name me one Murray fan that likes to use even the most slightly disparaging comment about Murray as a springboard to appeal to racism and sexism? This 'Amelie Mauresmo' guy does nothing but run into every thread about Serena and Venus and launch Ad hom attacks out of the clear blue sky.
Also, I do not remember those comments about Nadal. Perhaps you were talking prior to 3 months ago, when I joined the forum.
I do think it is hypocritical. Right now, there are tons of negative threads about Murray on this forum and no one cares. I don't see the biggest Murray fans like Batz and Fedex running into Murray threads and making stupid comments like "the scotophobia on this board is sick. it is unfair. it is disgusting!". Compare this to the threads about the William sisters where we have certain people appealing to racism/sexism at the drop of a hat; it is not the case that only knuckledraggers like Objective_Danny/MMarjorie are accused of racism, perfectly reasonable posters are also being called racists/sexists.
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World Beater
Hall of Fame
I am not a huge fan of the williams clan.
but i think oracene here is referring to clijster's stare as being medusa like...ergo her game face when playing tennis.
I dont think she is referring to kim as being ugly or anything...dont look too deep into this one...there are lot worse things the williams and other players have said in the past.
her claims about "dubious"...i think williams here was looking for a different word...this i am not sure what she meant...i suppose it could mean a lot of things...i.e. serena missing therefore clijster's winning as dubious..dunno..but too much speculation here..not worth it.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
Sid, the point was that TW members do complain when a favorite player is attacked, and often (as in the case of Federer fans vs. Nadal fans), the venom and whining has filled endless threads.
Use the search option.
...but it is a curious thing that you do not mention all of the usual suspects of this thread--who (in no surprise) show up in nearly every thread where a Williams family member is a subject or referred to, in order to spread their well-known hate. Please use the search option for this gang, and go back a few pages, where jamesblakefan called out one of the usual suspects on his habits.
Again, use the search option and enter "topspin monkey." Do you think that is some term of endearment for Nadal? Do you think Nadal fans did not complain about all of the accusations, slurs and general trash that has been posted about Nadal?
Okay, it is good that you finally called out some of the worst offenders, but they are not alone in the campaign of hatred against two women they will never know. To reiterate, one such member was called out in this thread, and he (unfortunately) is just one of many, which can be supported by their posting history, the direct slurs or coded, faux sociological stabs which just about everyone understands.
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Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
After reading your post and looking at this thread again, I concede your point. I guess that one annoying poster kinda made me short sighted on this entire issue. Certain posters in this thread have implied some terrible things about Serena and Venus with their posts; highly unnecessary when you consider that neither of them had anything to do with Oracene's claim. I am relatively new on these forums, so I apologize for being ignorant about certain issues you brought up.
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Sid_Vicious
G.O.A.T.
*chuckle*
You really are not interested in formulating a cogent argument, are you? Yesterday you went to hell and back trying to prove that Kim has won the last three major events (YEC being one of the majors. :lol
.... a funny way to sugercoat Kim's resume and bring down Serena's.Today, you appeal to Kim playing charity exos in order to boost her "role model" ratings? You do realize that Serena has started schools in Africa and is a pretty impressive philanthropist, right? You intentionally leave out Serena's credentials in every matter, It is ironic that you tell other posters that they are biased.
Federerx16
Rookie
No. Clijsters was a FAR BETTER player in her first career than she is now.
Do you guys even watch her matches? Disgustingly mediocre tennis from the so-called best player in the world.
Of course, you have to give her credit, her poor play is enough to win slams in this day and age, but you can't deny the lack of quality competition in womens tennis today.
Clijsters would not have won Tier 1 tournaments let alone grand-slams with THIS quality tennis in her first career.
It's a sad indictment of what the WTA tour has come to, unfortunately.
*chuckle*
You really are not interested in formulating a cogent argument, are you? Yesterday you went to hell and back trying to prove that Kim has won the last three major events (YEC being one of the majors. :lol
Today, you appeal to Kim playing charity exos in order to boost her "role model" ratings? You do realize that Serena has started schools in Africa and is a pretty impressive philanthropist, right? You intentionally leave out Serena's credentials in every matter, It is ironic that you tell other posters that they are biased.
I did not say the YEC is equivalent to the slam. All I said was Kim had won the last 3 major events(AO, YEC, USO). You and thundervolley don’t know how prestige the YEC. It’s the 2nd most important event behind the slam events. I’ve already explained why it’s unique from any other events so there’s no need to repeat myself.
Any players who played exo to raised fund to help the poor, or victims from natural disaster I have at most respect for that player. Fed and Nadal had raised millions for their effort, they contribute the most and I gave them the most credits. I’ve nothing against Serena’s effort in Africa, she deserve the same credit as other players. What I really admire Kim is she played full time tennis, has a family, and still managed to invest time to play exo.
Keep ignoring what I've said about how prestige the YEC is if it helps you sleep well at night.
I like to the see the entire picture b/c tennis is a global sport. Your tunnel vision only see in the USA(worse, only one network, ESPN2
)If nobody care what Oracene said then it would mean you, me and so many other fans would never know about it. But it's spread everywhere, even on the tennis board.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
I will consider it in the same manner history and the players do: not in the same conversation as the majors.
End of story, little boy.
No, you only see on-site attendance as evidence (yeah...sure) of anything you post, when TV audiences around the world are and will remain the biggest number of viewers of any sporting event. To reiterate, your cave-math fails you again.
....and here we are again: 17 pages, and your hate-fueled fantasies have not proven Oracene's comments have hurt the sisters' status to any degree, or was a significant, front-page news story to any of the major print or online news sources of the world.
No one is surprised by your lack of evidence.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
*chuckle*
You really are not interested in formulating a cogent argument, are you? Yesterday you went to hell and back trying to prove that Kim has won the last three major events (YEC being one of the majors. :lol
Quoted for truth, Sid.
Agreed, but that is his time-worn mission: he burns thread after thread lifitng up anyone else for even a minor effort, but turns around to demonize everything about SW--and as you point out, ignore her altruistic accomplishments in order to support his campaign of hatred. If he cannot attack her from that direction, then he will resort to insignifcant maters such as pumping other player's off-court earnings, as though that is a "win" over Serena--or her sister.
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MotherMarjorie
Banned
Oh, Mother Marjorie just loves to read posts like these. You know, the delusional people who try to claim that the racist tennis establishment has somehow used the institution to grind Venus and Serena Williams into poverty by making them multi-millionaires and arguably the best players of their generations.
Mother Marjorie Lesson #1: For true racism to exist, the must be real, not imagined, social and financial oppression. Neither exist for either Venus or Serena in the WTA.
Mother Marjorie Lesson #2: Before using the race card, don't make-up imaginary and fictitious scenario's (ex. Venus @ 2011 Australian Open) to support racism which doesn't exist.
Mother Marjorie Lesson #3: Capitalism began the institution of slavery in the United States, which lead to a racist society. However, slavery has existed for thousands of years pre-dating the United States of people from all backgrounds and skin colors. And if you are too ignorant to understand this point, then don't bother with your "racism" drivel because Mother Marjorie has a mani-, pedi- appointment she must not miss.
With Love,
Mother Marjorie Ann
Queen of Talk Tennis Warehouse
*The last major event at the very end of the year
*2nd highest wta points given out.
*only 1 of 8 players can qualify
*Big prize/money
This event is a final showdown... YEAR END CHAMPIONSHIP
Now close your mouth !
I use attendance numbers but I also use the important tournaments playing in the USA, nowhere else. IW and USO are excellent examples b/c they have the two largest tennis court in the world. Had I use tourney that are somewhere in China or middle east, then that makes no sense. But in America, it makes a lot of sense.
Make it 18 pages now(and counting). Yahoo-Sport is one of the mostly widely visit in the world. I’ve already posted and do have evidence but apparently you can’t read.
http://sports.yahoo.com/tennis/blog...mom-blasts-Kim-Clijsters-on-Tw?urn=ten-313880
li0scc0
Hall of Fame
Just to let you know, you aren't putting it past us with your constant use of the words hatred and hate.
Just because you say those words, we are not buying it that the poster meant 'hate'.
I am sure you are used to people backing down whenever you use words with such taboo and stigma like racism, hate....but some of us see right through your plan.
You see, as a society we have come to the point where whenever we want to end an argument, we simply accuse the other party of being hateful or racist. End of argument, of course!! Nobody wants to be a racist! So we all bend over backward to make sure nobody thinks us racist.
But in this discussion, I am not seeing a campaign of hatred, hate, racists, racism, etc.
Of course, since you cannot answer this argument, you will call me a hating racist. Maybe anti-Semitic too, for good measure?
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
1. Is not a major. You ave already been called out on your desperate attempt to elevate the status of this event in order to build Kim's profile.
It did not work.
2. The majors are "it"--the zenith of accomplishment in the sport, and from 1/2010 to this date in 2011, Kim only earned two, so your inane fantasy of her elevated status over SW is not convincing anyone.
Close your rear...which in your case, serves the same purpose as your maw.
Hardly. Your oft-abused argument focued on USO attendance numbers as though that proved Kim was some super-draw. The sport's biggest audience does not agree, and you cannot argue otherwise, and once again, cave math does not apply.
That is not major, front-page news. Why? Because no one cares, hence the reason you continue to avoid proving how Oracene's words were (in your distorted estimation) "tragic" or any other would-be shock word your hate-filled mind produces.
THUNDERVOLLEY
G.O.A.T.
I'm not really caring about your attempt to spin the obvious, when the history of certain members (some active in this thread and former members) are well known for their thinly veiled attacks on a family in a manner unlike that recieved by any other player on this board.
But tap-shuffle-tap around this fact if that settles your mind, kiddo.
I'm giving kim credit for winning they YEC b/c the fact is she won it. You boost Serena's status when she doesn't even play tennis !
I will close my rear if you close your mouth.
I did not say Kim made the difference about the # of attendance at the USO. I said the absent of Serena virtually had no effect on the total number of attendance. 4 years straight over 700,000. You have poor memory.
If yahoo isn't one of the biggest site, then name me the top 10 sites in the world that people visit the most.
The_Punisher
Rookie
li0scc0
Hall of Fame
Cute! Resorting to the ad-hominem attack, with the use of the term 'kiddo'. Plan 2 for Thundervolley...when you cannot win an argument, resort to ad hominem attacks. So Plan 1 is call them racist bigots, Plan 2 is a further degradation of character.
What will Plan 3 be?
