Serena Apoligies To Linesperson

Enigma_87

Professional
If we got in trouble for everything we said/threatened to do when we were p!ssed off, I'd be in jail for life right now, if not worse. Don't act as if you've never gotten angry and threatened bodily harm to someone else. Get off the high horse.

Um, hello? Death threat? It's a criminal offense in my country? Don't know where you live, but I'm pretty sure that in the USA where the action took place it's a criminal offense as well.

it's not like a regular **** outburst or a regular curse.

Are you serious, you must be laughing writing this post, I can`t beleive you. She was cursing to the lines woman. I have said many times to opponets when pissed, things such as `I am gonna to destroy you` or soemthing. We would have many sports professionals in jail if cursing used in the competition setting were taking literally. Boxing would cease to exist.

Not even in sports, it happens everywhere people curse and say things not to be taken literally all the time all the time. There is a little important word here called context


Yes, so a 80 kg woman with at racket in her hand, talking about killing you(being 1 feet shorter and 20 kg lighter) is called context? And you are positive that a linesman won't feel threatened physically taking in mind adrenaline and the heat of the moment? It's not a regular curse mate. Far from it.
 
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obanaghan

New User
Too little too late. Kinda like telling Rosie O'Donnell that you are sorry, sorry that she is overweight.

Apologies must be sincere and she appears to be going through the motions but she had her Mel Gibson and Michael Richards moment. In these type of outbursts is there really an apology that would satisfy most folks? I doubt it.

Mel Gibson was already a suspected anti-Semite and after his drunk driving arrest he is known as one.

Michael Richards will never live down his racist diatribe.

Serena will have to hope her talent can get her through but she will never win a PR battle on this.
 

drakulie

Talk Tennis Guru
If we got in trouble for everything we said/threatened to do when we were p!ssed off, I'd be in jail for life right now, if not worse. Don't act as if you've never gotten angry and threatened bodily harm to someone else. Get off the high horse.

Were you in those instances in a position of power such as, Serena was when she did this? Don't think so.

When you did this, were millions of people watching you belittle the person you were threatening? Don't think so.

When you did this, were there 20,000 fans in the arena at the time you were making these threatening statements? Don't think so.

As related to this issue, was your opponent, on a level playing field as you? Don't think so.
 

JankovicFan

Semi-Pro
i don't have another request, if you are going to change what you said in a press conference, have the decency and balls to do it publicly in another press conference. addressing it in a blog? that's not an apology, that's gutless and ********.
Well, actually, she didn't write it and didn't even do the typing personally. In person, it wouldn't play so well. A personal blog was hardly the vehicle for an apology, but I understand that blog has a bazillion subscribers, kind of "reetard central".
 

Keifers

Legend
Okay. That's a start.

But writing it on a blog is almost meaningless.

She needs to do an in-person apology to the USTA officials and most especially to the lineswoman.

I just wonder if deep down she really is remorseful or is she doing it simply because her stock with the tour and sponsors is plummeting every second. Given her history for deflecting blame and never accountable to anything, I'm thinking it's the former which is a shame.

r,
eagle

I'd repeat... apology is nice, smart and welcomed, I'd suggest Serena call a conference, phone the lineperson, send flowers and whatever, anyhow fine is there, suspension (hmmm sounds too much).
I agree. It's a good start but some more is needed.

I'd like to see her call the lineswoman directly and apologize to her sincerely and unequivocally. And then in a live press conference, apologize sincerely and unequivocally, without any excuses, reasons, hesitation, shading, attempts to "move on", etc.

This is a Championship Point for you, Serena. Commit to it and do it fully. (This is not the time for half measures. Half measures won't get it done.)

It's not too late. Do it fully today.
 
I just skimmed the posts...but is this thread receiving the typical "'i apologize' isnt good enough" responses or "too late" etc.?

Sometimes reading here is more entertaining than the actual news itself.
 
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chico9166

Guest
Were you in those instances in a position of power such as, Serena was when she did this? Don't think so.

When you did this, were millions of people watching you belittle the person you were threatening? Don't think so.

When you did this, were there 20,000 fans in the arena at the time you were making these threatening statements? Don't think so.

As related to this issue, was your opponent, on a level playing field as you? Don't think so.

Yep,

Typical of many pro athletes, they accept/crave the fame and fortune of their position in society, without the accountability that accompanies said postion. Anyone who actually saw the smugness, and the contempt, Serena exibited in the press conference, couldn't possibly take her apology seriously.
 
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I don't see any reason to keep blaming Serena for this mistake. This apology is good enough for me, I will never like her though. I never did, in my opinion she just never seemed to have a very kind personality. Ofcourse I don't really know her, but it is just something about her I don't like. Venus seems to have a much kinder personality, not that I am a fan of her but at least I am not hoping she loses at every tournament.
 

Azzurri

Legend
Frankly, I don't really care about the hoopla involved here and actually believe that the incident is not that bad a thing (we all loved Mac's outbursts and the sport made money on them). Nor do I want to hop on the blame Serena bandwagon.

However, if you're going to apologize just plain apologize. No pseudo-apologies.

"I want to apologize" is not an apology. You're just stating that you may apologize or would apologize.

"I'm sorry" is an apology. "I apologize" is an apology.

Language pet peeve.

you continue to amaze me of what a strange poster you are. You think it's not that bad, yet you "bash" her for an insincere apology? STRANGE as usual.
 

vicnan

Professional
Here's the Serena apology/apologists page in the USO site:

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/articles/2009-09-14/200909141252973141281.html

Congratulations to the people who maintain this page. They have done a wonderful job. Not a single message that is even remotely critical of Serena's behavior has been allowed to get in. Bravo! Suppress people's voices and call it a fan comments and people's reaction. USTA works exactly like a democracy. Way to go, USTA!

You know now that they are not going to do squat about punishing Serena beyond the peanut $10,500 fine yesterday. No suspensions, rebukes, nothing.

May be they will award her the Best Sportsperson of US Open 2009.
 

CaptainInsano

New User
^^^ Wow! Agree with vicnan. Impressive how all comments are... ... encouraging... makes it look like she's a great person after all.

I guess I must be mistaken. Serena must be a realy pro and someone to look up to as a... leader... ... ... ... ... ... ...
 

kanamit

Hall of Fame
She apologizes on her blog but even when asked, she refuses to do so in public. She sounds really contrite.
 
Here's the Serena apology/apologists page in the USO site:

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/articles/2009-09-14/200909141252973141281.html

Congratulations to the people who maintain this page. They have done a wonderful job. Not a single message that is even remotely critical of Serena's behavior has been allowed to get in.

Actually I wrote several comments about how dumb and unprofessional the behavior of the US Open offiicials had been, but strangely they never got posted.
 

vicnan

Professional
I find it funny that Serena's supporters do not get the fact that this is not really about Serena as a person, whom I know little about, but her despicable behavior as a tennis player on the premier tennis court of a premier grand slam event and the impact this behavior has on the dignity and decorum of the sport and in fact the future of tennis. It's the WTA, not WWE.
 

TennisDawg

Hall of Fame
Here's the Serena apology/apologists page in the USO site:

http://www.usopen.org/en_US/news/articles/2009-09-14/200909141252973141281.html

Congratulations to the people who maintain this page. They have done a wonderful job. Not a single message that is even remotely critical of Serena's behavior has been allowed to get in. Bravo! Suppress people's voices and call it a fan comments and people's reaction. USTA works exactly like a democracy. Way to go, USTA!

You know now that they are not going to do squat about punishing Serena beyond the peanut $10,500 fine yesterday. No suspensions, rebukes, nothing.


Agree $10500.00. Let's see (yawn) do you accept Mastercard or Visa? I didn't here an I'm sorry in that pathetic BS press conference. I am glad that a baby's Mama 2 1/2 years after retiring beat this loud mouth whiner. It just shows that you can't always go into a Major 30 lbs overweight and expect to win. A bad example to all the kids, Serena stated. Any parent holding Serena up as an example even before this match has no clue. Next time bring a clown suit Serena.
 

gashandburn

New User
Well, actually, she didn't write it and didn't even do the typing personally. In person, it wouldn't play so well. A personal blog was hardly the vehicle for an apology, but I understand that blog has a bazillion subscribers, kind of "reetard central".

huh? and you know that how?
 

canadave

Professional
So if I say to you in front of 20 000 people that I will smother you with a tennis ball in your throat and kill you, you would have no problem whatsoever and this is not a criminal offense? Really?

Really. It was a sports event, not the streets. It was a heat of the moment thing, inexcusable, ridiculous, probably suspendable....but not criminal. I think players in the NFL say something along the lines of "I'm going to kill you" to each other about 10,000 times a weekend.

And by the way I've posted plenty of times before about how little I like Serena and her whole family. They are truly unsportsman-like people, from top to bottom. But this was not a criminal thing.

If she had hit the lineswoman with her racquet, different story. That's assault.
 
Really. It was a sports event, not the streets. It was a heat of the moment thing, inexcusable, ridiculous, probably suspendable....but not criminal. I think players in the NFL say something along the lines of "I'm going to kill you" to each other about 10,000 times a weekend.

And by the way I've posted plenty of times before about how little I like Serena and her whole family. They are truly unsportsman-like people, from top to bottom. But this was not a criminal thing.

If she had hit the lineswoman with her racquet, different story. That's assault.

The last time I checked, tennis is supposed to be a "civilized" sport compared to football.

Nothing can really excuse the language she used. And did you see her appearance on MTV, making fun of "lines?"

Until I see her apologizing in person to the lineswoman, I want to see her suspended for a year.
 

JankovicFan

Semi-Pro
huh? and you know that how?
Good catch. I don't believe for a second that Serena has the time or interest to maintain that blog, and I don't believe she is psychologically capable of doing that kind of turnaround and coming up with such elegant wording. That had to be a professionally written piece, and I believe it would have galled Serena no end to type it in herself.
 

topspin

Semi-Pro
This is the most pathetic attempt at an apology. She should apologize to the lines person in person as well as issue a sincere apology to the fans. Technically, she hasn't even apologized since she worded it in a way so as to save her ego. The words "I want to apologize" are not enough. She needs to swallow her pride and say "I apologize". But only if she actually sincerely feels remorse. This is something I doubt. Her personality over the years do not paint her as a humble and sincere person. This is just damage control to prevent more damage to her career. She should still get banned from the AO and face a more significant fine.
 

Dutch-Guy

Legend
Even if she apologized after the incident,people that hate her are still gonna hate.Good move from her.Now let's move the [bleep] on.
 

kanamit

Hall of Fame
Even if she apologized after the incident,people that hate her are still gonna hate.Good move from her.Now let's move the [bleep] on.

I'm sure there are many people here who are using the incident to pursue hater agendas that they've had for some time. In my case, I can tell you that I was not a fan of Serena before this, but that my opinion of her has changed big time. I once thought she was a self-centered, spoiled and talented tennis player. Now I think she's self-centered to the point of being almost sociopathic, indecent and completely out of touch with basic principles of human behavior. My passive dislike of her is slowly being transformed into active dislike.
 

Tennis Fan

Rookie
You guys are really something!!! BEFORE she apologized, you all kept talking about how she should apologize, etc. AND NOW that she has, you all say it's not good enough!

You guys are hopeless!
 

kanamit

Hall of Fame
You guys are really something!!! BEFORE she apologized, you all kept talking about how she should apologize, etc. AND NOW that she has, you all say it's not good enough!

You guys are hopeless!

On the contrary, I was willing to say let's move on. I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt about the sincerity of her apology. After the presentation of the doubles title, it's clear her amended press release is not an accurate reflection of her opinions.
 

topspin

Semi-Pro
You guys are really something!!! BEFORE she apologized, you all kept talking about how she should apologize, etc. AND NOW that she has, you all say it's not good enough!

You guys are hopeless!

Let's see her actually apologize in an interview and use the words "I'm sorry" instead of issuing a statement through her website. If someone is truly and sincerely sorry for something they did, then they would openly apologize instead of weasel around it just for damage control.

Face it though, she's not exactly sincere. Did you see the interview before the tournament where she was asked about the seeding? She was asked if she felt like #1 but she said something like 'no no i'm #2' and then burst out laughing. Total arrogance! This incident is showing her true colors. I'm glad it happened that way the world can see what I and others already knew years ago.
 

Casticus

New User
Apology accepted!!!

Here is someone that accepts her apology too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrvMTv_r8sA

It made it worse because the lineswoman just sat there like a scared little child. She was surrounded by umpire, and tournament people this time, how will she stick up for herself in the real world. Grow some balls lineswoman!


.... Half of your posts are attacks on people... Be it Federer, his wife (oh look at her toes!), people on this forum, people's kids on this forum( Originally Posted by babbette "Your daughter is such a drama queen.."), the lineswoman that was just doing her job. Why do you do that?
 

precision2b

Semi-Pro
This is a quote I read on Serena’s blog today, and I agree with the quote.

“Sorry? I don't think so. Looks like that only reason you are sorry is because of the outrage from your sponsors. I am hoping most of your sponsors give you what you deserve.... cancelled conntracts!”

It doesn’t take that long to collect your thoughts…
 

Tennis Fan

Rookie
Hey, I personally think her & her father could have all been a lot more humble & modest yrs ago when they first started coming on the scene, but that's in the past now. That's just her personality, an arrogant diva, but so are a LOT of other people in this world...so be it.

I think we all keep hoping she'll do a little more than she does, but she apparently doesn't quite do as much as we think she should so, that's how life goes. I personally have too much of a life to be furious about it personally.
 

Dutch-Guy

Legend
I'm sure there are many people here who are using the incident to pursue hater agendas that they've had for some time. In my case, I can tell you that I was not a fan of Serena before this, but that my opinion of her has changed big time. I once thought she was a self-centered, spoiled and talented tennis player. Now I think she's self-centered to the point of being almost sociopathic, indecent and completely out of touch with basic principles of human behavior. My passive dislike of her is slowly being transformed into active dislike.
I get your point but some people are going apesh!t like she killed that lineswoman.My reaction 'd have been worse if i were her.People wanted her to apologize,which she did but apparently it's not enough.Meh.
 

topspin

Semi-Pro
^Exactly.

And her PR manager should also apologize for trying to block the camera from showing Serena laughing after the match. She did not exactly look troubled. She's got real issues.
 

vapor guy

New User
In her post match press conference, she was asked what it was exactly that she said to the linesperson. Her response was the she "didn't remember".
Possible? maybe
Likely? no
Personal responsibility? not close
 

vicnan

Professional
If it was a sincere apology and she in fact meant it (even if she didn't write it), why did she have such a hard time responding to JMac when he asked her, twice? How hard is it really to say 'sorry for my overreaction the other day and I apologize to the lineswoman, Clijsters, the officials, the USTA and the fans' -- that took me about 15 seconds to write, and it takes less time to say it. What, cat got her tongue? What she issued was hardly a sincere apology.

If you are willing to suspend disbelief and accept her apology, that is your choice. But that is not mine. So please spare the bullsh*t about no apology being sufficient.
 
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timeisonmyside

Semi-Pro
Yep,

Typical of many pro athletes, they accept/crave the fame and fortune of their position in society, without the accountability that accompanies said postion. Anyone who actually saw the smugness, and the contempt, Serena exibited in the press conference, couldn't possibly take her apology seriously.

Agree. IMO, that press conference made her seem even worse as she was trying to deny what happened and avoid taking responsibility.
 

chess9

Hall of Fame
Yes, that's a very good start. I hope she wrote to the US Open folks as well.

I wish her well from now on. I've always been a big fan of hers, and it's pained me to see her in this position. Acknowledging she was wrong is the right thing to do.

-Robert
 

CyBorg

Legend
you continue to amaze me of what a strange poster you are. You think it's not that bad, yet you "bash" her for an insincere apology? STRANGE as usual.

As mentioned in my post, it's a language pet peeve. I couldn't care less what happens to Serena. Her post may have been fully sincere, but the way she worded it is very amusing.
 

World Beater

Hall of Fame
i am not a serena fan by any stretch of imagination...but i dont think serena should be banned from other tournaments.

serena should have been defaulted and probably thrown out of doubles...but that is about it.

she does sth like this a second time...its a different story.
 
On USATODAY

NEW YORK (AP) — Serena Williams' profanity-laced, finger-pointing tirade at a U.S. Open linesperson drew a $10,000 fine Sunday, and more punishment could follow from a broader investigation into what the head of the tournament called her "threatening manner."
The fine — not quite 3% of the $350,000 in prize money Williams earned by reaching the semifinals — is the maximum on-site penalty that can be issued for unsportsmanlike conduct at a Grand Slam tournament.


WOMEN'S SEMIS: Williams loses, penalized for outburst
WOMEN'S DOUBLES: Williams sisters roll, without a fuss

"The average individual would look at that and say, 'A $10,000 fine for what she did? What are you guys, crazy?' The answer is: the process isn't over," tournament director Jim Curley said in an interview with The Associated Press.

Bill Babcock, the top administrator for Grand Slam tournaments, will review what happened Saturday night, when Williams yelled at a linesperson who called a foot fault with the defending champion two points away from losing to Kim Clijsters in the semifinals.

If Babcock determines Williams committed a "major offense," she could be fined all of her prize money from the tournament.

Williams also was docked $500 for smashing her racket after the first set of the match. Because she was issued a warning then, her later actions resulted in the loss of a point.

The foot fault resulted in a double-fault, which moved Clijsters one point from victory. Williams then was penalized a point for her outburst; because it happened to come on match point, it ended the semifinal with Clijsters ahead 6-4, 7-5.

Babcock did not immediately respond to requests for comment. But Curley said the inquiry probably would include reviewing TV footage, checking additional audio feeds from courtside microphones and interviewing Williams, the linesperson, the chair umpire and possibly spectators.

"What she did was unacceptable. It's unacceptable behavior under any circumstances. When you're on the court, and you are waving your racket toward a linesperson and using profanity, it's just simply unacceptable," Curley told the AP. "When you look at the tape, it's pretty clear that the way she approached the linesperson, with her racket and in that manner, it was a threatening manner. It certainly was."

The names of linespersons are not disclosed as a matter of practice at the tournament.

He also said the tournament considered — and decided against — preventing Williams and her older sister Venus from participating in the women's doubles final Monday. Venus put in some work on a U.S. Open practice court Sunday; Serena wasn't with her.

Serena Williams released a statement through a public relations firm, acknowledging that "in the heat of battle I let my passion and emotion get the better of me and as a result handled the situation poorly."

On Monday, Williams issued a second statement, this time with an apology:

"I want to amend my press statement of yesterday, and want to make it clear as possible — I want to sincerely apologize FIRST to the lines woman, Kim Clijsters, the USTA and mostly tennis fans everywhere for my inappropriate outburst. I'm a woman of great pride, faith and integrity, and I admit when I'm wrong. I need to make it clear to all young people that I handled myself inappropriately and it's not the way to act — win or lose, good call or bad call in any sport, in any manner.

"I like to lead by example. We all learn from experiences both good and bad, I will learn and grow from this, and be a better person as a result."

On Saturday night, after what may be recalled as the most significant foot fault in tennis history, Williams paused, retrieved a ball to serve again and then stopped. She stepped toward the official, screaming, cursing and shaking the ball at her.

"If I could, I would take this ... ball and shove it down your ... throat," Williams said, according to a tennis official who watched a replay Saturday night.

The official also said Williams used the word "kill." The official declined to be identified because the tape was still being reviewed.

Fans began booing and whistling, making it difficult to hear the entirety of what Williams said — and she refused to discuss specifics afterward at a news conference. An AP reporter — provided access to replays — could not verify Williams used the word "kill."

When Williams turned her back, the line judge went over to the chair umpire to report what was going on. The line judge then returned to her seat, and Williams pointed and began walking toward her. The line judge then headed back to the chair umpire's stand. By now, tournament referee Brian Earley was on the court, too.

Earley could be heard asking the linesperson what Williams said.

That's when Williams walked over and said to the line judge: "Are you scared? Because I said I would hit you? I'm sorry, but there's a lot of people who've said way worse."

Earley again asked the linesperson what Williams said. Whatever the linesperson said, her reply seemed to startle Williams, who said: "I didn't say I would kill you. Are you serious? Are you serious? I didn't say that." The line judge then said, "Yes."

The episode dominated conversation at the U.S. Open on Sunday, including whether the line judge should have made the call in the first place. Foot faults are rarely called at this level, particularly in possibly the final moments of such a significant match.

"In my opinion, you can't call a foot fault there. Just out of question. Can't do it. It was so close. Not as if it was an obvious foot fault — it was minuscule," TV commentator John McEnroe said. "I've seen Serena come back from that position a dozen times against top-flight opponents. The match was not over."

The chairman and CEO of the women's tennis tour, Stacey Allaster, issued a statement calling Williams' conduct "inappropriate and unprofessional."

"No matter what the circumstances, no player should be allowed to engage in such behavior without suffering consequences," Allaster said. "I have spoken with the USTA about this matter and I agree with the action they have taken."
 

bad_call

Legend
Serena called me and apologized in spite of my interrupting her to tell her that I'm not the lines woman who doesn't understand english. :confused:
 
The last time I checked, tennis is supposed to be a "civilized" sport compared to football.

Nothing can really excuse the language she used. And did you see her appearance on MTV, making fun of "lines?"

Until I see her apologizing in person to the lineswoman, I want to see her suspended for a year.

Oh get a grip. Does it really matter what YOU want? :roll:
 

THUNDERVOLLEY

G.O.A.T.
Let's see her actually apologize in an interview and use the words "I'm sorry" instead of issuing a statement through her website.


She owes you nothing. You are lucky to get an apology, as many sports stars do not give a flying f*ck about the noise from hostile "fans."
 
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