Serena is Pregnant!

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Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

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BHud

Hall of Fame
Serena could win the calendar slam 9 months pregnant with the current state of the WTA! The USO will be her swan song...
 

Service Ace

Hall of Fame
You know you're out of excuses when you resort to propping up Court as the greatest female tennis player of all time lol :rolleyes:

And give Graf "bonus points" to account for a Slam deficit the same way the ************* tried to do for the past 5 years.

Nothing brings out the pathetic, emasculated side of male tennis fans the way Serena does.
 

captainbryce

Hall of Fame
Emerson isn't included in discussions because he won most of his slams when the likes of a Laver and Rosewall were dominating the pro tour.

Serena only has 1 extra slam which I don't think is enough to outrank Graf's golden slam.

1. Court
2. Graf
3. Williams
4. Evert
5. Navratilova
A) Rosewall isn't included either and the only reason Laver is is because he won a won a calendar slam AFTER combing back to the tour after a 5 year "absence", during the Open Era. Either way, you can't have it both ways. Either ALL slams matter, and therefore by extension ANY potential rivals in GS finals (in which case Emerson should be a GOAT candidate), OR only Open Era records are relevant and only Hall of Fame worthy opponents in GS finals (in which case Court should NOT be convicted considered a GOAT candidate).

B) I never bought into the idea that a calendar year grand slam should elevate the "greatness" status of any player. A calendar slam only means that a player won 4 GS titles, and was the best person at each of those events THAT YEAR. That's it! It says nothing about how great or dominant you were over the course of a career. Greatness (in my opinion) has more to do with how many times you can win the biggest events against the best players from your time. And I think Serena Williams has cemented her status based on that alone. That's not even to mention the longevity of her dominance (which eclipses every other player, male or female). In fact, Roger Federer is really the only other player who comes to mind when considering longevity.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
A) Rosewall isn't included either and the only reason Laver is is because he won a won a calendar slam AFTER combing back to the tour after a 5 year "absence", during the Open Era. Either way, you can't have it both ways. Either ALL slams matter, and therefore by extension ANY potential rivals in GS finals (in which case Emerson should be a GOAT candidate), OR only Open Era records are relevant and only Hall of Fame worthy opponents in GS finals (in which case Court should NOT be convicted considered a GOAT candidate).

B) I never bought into the idea that a calendar year grand slam should elevate the "greatness" status of any player. A calendar slam only means that a player won 4 GS titles, and was the best person at each of those events THAT YEAR. That's it! It says nothing about how great or dominant you were over the course of a career. Greatness (in my opinion) has more to do with how many times you can win the biggest events against the best players from your time. And I think Serena Williams has cemented her status based on that alone. That's not even to mention the longevity of her dominance (which eclipses every other player, male or female). In fact, Roger Federer is really the only other player who comes to mind when considering longevity.
The Grand Slam is exactly that. Because you don't consider it of importance doesn't mean it isn't. And of course it is. Serena Williams has achieved much, but not this. And now, never will.
 

captainbryce

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Agree she's better than Court, but there are many who say Serena is goat based solely on number of slams. i.e She has more slams than Graf, she is now goat. Can't have it both ways.
Serena, Graf, Navratilova, and Evert won all of their slams in the Open Era. Thus, their stats can be legitimately compared. The tour was so different before the Open Era that it's impossible to say who the best player in the world actually was! The top players (outside of Australia) didn't even go to the Australian Open back then!
 
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bjsnider

Hall of Fame
I wonder what happens to WTA ratings now, especially at the majors. This must be a bummer for ESPN. What do they talk about?
 

captainbryce

Hall of Fame
The Grand Slam is exactly that. Because you don't consider it of importance doesn't mean it isn't. And of course it is. Serena Williams has achieved much, but not this. And now, never will.
Um actually she has achieved a grand slam - (she's won a career golden slam TWICE in both singles AND doubles, the only player to ever achieve that if I'm not mistaken). And she's won four majors in a row TWICE. The fact that they all weren't in the same year is a technicality. In all respects, she accomplished everything that Graf did (and then some) slam wise. In any case, the fact that YOU consider any one year to be telling of greatness throughout the entire course of a career doesn't mean that it is!
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
Serena, Graf, Navratilova, and Evert won all of their slams in the Open Era. Thus, their stats can be legitimately compared. The tour was so different before the Open Era that it's impossible to say who the best player in the world actually was! The top players (outside of Australia) didn't even go to the Australian Open back then. So who was Court's competition? Billie Jean King only played Australia ONCE before the Open Era, and Maria Bueno only played it twice in her entire career. In fact 10 of the top 12 seeds at the Australian Open in 1966 were Australians! It's rare to see 10 entries from the same country in an entire 128 draw at a GS today, let alone be the top seeds.

Imagine if the TOP seeds at the US Open were:

Serena Williams
Madison Keys
Coco Vandeweghe
Lauren Davis
Christina Mchale
Lucie Safarova
Alison Riske
Shelby Rogers
Bethany Mattek-Sands
Carla Suarez-Navarro

If Serena Williams won that type of draw 7 out of 10 years, would you consider her an all time great based on those results? Probably not!
It's fair to say you can compare Graf and Williams in the Open Era: the majors are weighted the same. For Evert and Navratilova the majors were not weighted the same. As covered previously.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
Um actually she has achieved a grand slam - (she's won a career golden slam TWICE in both singles AND doubles, the only player to ever achieve that if I'm not mistaken). And she's won four majors in a row TWICE. The fact that they all weren't in the same year is a technicality. In all respects, she accomplished everything that Graf did (and then some) slam wise. In any case, the fact that YOU consider any one year to be telling of greatness throughout the entire course of a career doesn't mean that it is!
She has never won a singles grand slam. Ever.
As for doubles, I've no idea.
 

captainbryce

Hall of Fame
Best news to happen to women's tennis in 10+ years. Maybe it will open the door for someone more gracious and real to actually inspire people to play tennis.
The question is will this "someone" actually be a great champion and inspire an American to WIN. Will they be as respected as Serena is by most of her contemporaries? And I suspect the answer to that will be no.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
I refuse to argue facts with anyone when they are on record for anyone to look up.
So you said that Williams has won the Career Doubles Slam twice. I suggest you check the easily available records yourself. And then apologise.

"she's won a career golden slam TWICE in both singles AND doubles, the only player to ever achieve that if I'm not mistaken). "

You are mistaken.

Grand Slam Doubles results
Australian Open
W (2001, 2003, 2009, 2010)
French Open W (1999, 2010)
Wimbledon W (2000, 2002, 2008, 2009, 2012, 2016)
US Open W (1999, 2009)
 

Mr.Lob

G.O.A.T.
Serena, Graf, Navratilova, and Evert won all of their slams in the Open Era. Thus, their stats can be legitimately compared. The tour was so different before the Open Era that it's impossible to say who the best player in the world actually was! The top players (outside of Australia) didn't even go to the Australian Open back then!

You could legitimately compare Graf and Serena, not Evert and Navratilova, who were in what I like to call, "The Early Open Era" . Same reason you gave. The top players didn't go to the A.O.
 

Service Ace

Hall of Fame
So you said that Williams has won the Career Doubles Slam twice. I suggest you check the easily available records yourself. And then apologise.

"she's won a career golden slam TWICE in both singles AND doubles, the only player to ever achieve that if I'm not mistaken). "

You are mistaken.

Grand Slam Doubles results
Australian Open
W (2001, 2003, 2009, 2010)
French Open W (1999, 2010)
Wimbledon W (2000, 2002, 2008, 2009, 2012, 2016)
US Open W (1999, 2009)

Lol I'll let somebody else take this one.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
It's fair to say you can compare Graf and Williams in the Open Era: the majors are weighted the same. For Evert and Navratilova the majors were not weighted the same. As covered previously.
You could legitimately compare Graf and Serena, not Evert and Navratilova, who were in what I like to call, "The Early Open Era" . Same reason you gave. The top players didn't go to the A.O.
:)
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
Looks like some people need to learn the difference between
A Calender Grand slam
A Career Grand slam
Its not that difficult.....except if your last name is trump:p
:)
It would appear it's rather difficult for quite a few people. Although they do seem to have a shared nationality.
And many people, especially amongst the women have won a Career Grand Slam.
 

SLD76

G.O.A.T.
Serena has twice held all 4 majors at the same time , but not all in the same calendar year (never been done before)

She also has triple career slam, having won all 4 majors at least 3 times each
 

PrinceMoron

Legend
So you said that Williams has won the Career Doubles Slam twice. I suggest you check the easily available records yourself. And then apologise.

"she's won a career golden slam TWICE in both singles AND doubles, the only player to ever achieve that if I'm not mistaken). "

You are mistaken.

Grand Slam Doubles results
Australian Open
W (2001, 2003, 2009, 2010)
French Open W (1999, 2010)
Wimbledon W (2000, 2002, 2008, 2009, 2012, 2016)
US Open W (1999, 2009)

Looks like Serena was playing doubles in the Ladies Final. All the more impressive.

"as one male tweeter put it: "Serena Williams won a grand slam while she was pregnant so every man should probably shut up about everything forever."

The US tennis player's announcement that she is 20 weeks pregnant means she won her record-breaking 23rd and most recent Grand Slam singles title at the Australian Open while eight weeks into her pregnancy, at the age of 35.

On social media, the revelation has prompted both men and women to claim she is the GOAT - greatest of all time - and worthy of immense admiration."
 

Soianka

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Live from Russia.

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I'm sure she's happy. Not convinced that she will dominate this field though. I think Konta and Pliskova might make easy work of her...especially a drug free Maria. We have no idea what a non-Meldonium-enhanced Maria plays like.

At least she's making the WTA interesting though with Serena out of commission for a while or for good.
 

Doctor/Lawyer Red Devil

Talk Tennis Guru
I'm sure she's happy. Not convinced that she will dominate this field though. I think Konta and Pliskova might make easy work of her...especially a drug free Maria. We have no idea what a non-Meldonium-enhanced Maria plays like.

At least she's making the WTA interesting though with Serena out of commission for a while or for good.
I don't think she will dominate either but she has a much bigger chance to win something significant with Serena absent. It's very open, Pliskova, Kerber, Venus, Svitolina, Konta and a few others, unpredictable times coming up in WTA. Non-meldoniun-enhanced Sharapova won Wimbledon and was the world #1 so I am only concerned with her being rusty after a long break from the game.
 
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Chadillac

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You know you're out of excuses when you resort to propping up Court as the greatest female tennis player of all time lol :rolleyes:

Technically she has more grand slams than both williams sisters combined. I think she has 59...

Serena fans just dont know much about tennis, they read wiki and copy it here, lol

Serena is only argued as a singles grand slam tennis champion, not the greatest woman. Martina has like 100 more titles than her.

Aside from the most AO's serena holds no records
 

captainbryce

Hall of Fame
:)
It would appear it's rather difficult for quite a few people. Although they do seem to have a shared nationality.
And many people, especially amongst the women have won a Career Grand Slam.
Nah, I think it's only difficult for ONE person here. And if by "many people" you mean 10 women total (6 in the Open Era), then I agree.
 

Bartelby

Bionic Poster
Meldonium has no effect on performance whatsoever, so the post-ban Maria will be the same as the unjustly banned one.

WADA's only stated reason for banning it was that people were taking the two dollar legal 'medicine' thinking it was such.

I'm sure she's happy. Not convinced that she will dominate this field though. I think Konta and Pliskova might make easy work of her...especially a drug free Maria. We have no idea what a non-Meldonium-enhanced Maria plays like.

At least she's making the WTA interesting though with Serena out of commission for a while or for good.
 

SLD76

G.O.A.T.
You know you're out of excuses when you resort to propping up Court as the greatest female tennis player of all time lol :rolleyes:

And give Graf "bonus points" to account for a Slam deficit the same way the ************* tried to do for the past 5 years.

Nothing brings out the pathetic, emasculated side of male tennis fans the way Serena does.
Right???

I swear nobody even mentioned Court in GOAT debate til Serena hit 20 slams
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
A) Rosewall isn't included either and the only reason Laver is is because he won a won a calendar slam AFTER combing back to the tour after a 5 year "absence", during the Open Era. Either way, you can't have it both ways. Either ALL slams matter, and therefore by extension ANY potential rivals in GS finals (in which case Emerson should be a GOAT candidate), OR only Open Era records are relevant and only Hall of Fame worthy opponents in GS finals (in which case Court should NOT be convicted considered a GOAT candidate).

B) I never bought into the idea that a calendar year grand slam should elevate the "greatness" status of any player. A calendar slam only means that a player won 4 GS titles, and was the best person at each of those events THAT YEAR. That's it! It says nothing about how great or dominant you were over the course of a career. Greatness (in my opinion) has more to do with how many times you can win the biggest events against the best players from your time. And I think Serena Williams has cemented her status based on that alone. That's not even to mention the longevity of her dominance (which eclipses every other player, male or female). In fact, Roger Federer is really the only other player who comes to mind when considering longevity.

CYGS is a fantastic achievement and one which puts Laver in most people's top 5.

Whether you like it or not, Serena never dominated to the extent that Graf did, and does not hold the GS record so isn't GOAT.
 

captainbryce

Hall of Fame
Technically she has more grand slams than both williams sisters combined. I think she has 59...

Serena fans just dont know much about tennis, they read wiki and copy it here, lol

Serena is only argued as a singles grand slam tennis champion, not the greatest woman. Martina has like 100 more titles than her.
True -- but the same argument can be made for Graf, Evert, and Court as well. When it comes to doubles, Martina is the GOAT. But usually in these discussions people are talking about the singles GOAT, and doubles only comes into play when trying to separate similarly rated singles players.

Aside from the most AO's serena holds no records
Most hardcourt grand slam singles titles

By winning the 2001 Australian Open doubles championship with Venus Williams, became the fifth pair to complete a Career Doubles Grand Slam and the only pair to win a Career Doubles Golden Slam.

By winning the 2005 Australian Open by defeating Mauresmo and Davenport, became the only player in tennis history to win three Grand Slam singles titles (1999 U.S. Open, 2002 Roland Garros) by beating the top two ranked players.

Only player to have won three Grand Slam singles titles after saving match points (2003 Australian Open versus Kim Clijsters, 2005 Australian Open versus Maria Sharapova, and 2009 Wimbledon versus Elena Dementieva).

Lowest ranked player (No. 18) to defeat the Top-2 players in the world in the same tournament

She became the only person in history, male or female, to win three of the four grand slams 6 times

Only player, male or female, to complete the Career Golden Slam after turning 30 years of age

Only player, male or female, to win 10+ grand slam singles titles in two separate decades (10 in the 2000s and 12 in the 2010s)

By reaching the final of the 2003 Australian Open, she and sister Venus became the first players to compete in 4 consecutive slam finals

The only pair to win a Career Doubles Golden Slam and first pair in the Open Era to complete the Career Doubles Golden Slam twice

Set a record for most aces served in a tournament, hitting 102 aces in the tournament, which was the most of men or women at the Championships that year

Longest span between first (2003) and last (2017) Australian Open titles

Longest span between first (2002) and last (2015) Roland Garros titles

Longest span between first (2002) and last (2016) Wimbledon titles

Longest span between first (1999) and last (2014) US Open titles

Longest-ever gap between stints at No. 1 (five years, one month)

First woman to win 60+ career matches in all four Grand Slams in the Open Era

Oldest player to hold all Grand Slam singles titles simultaneously

316 grand slam singles match wins is more than any player, male or female, in tennis history

First, and only, woman to win US$80,000,000 in career prize money

Highest earning female athlete of all-time in terms of prize money across all sports

Most decorated tennis player in the Olympics with a record of 4 gold medals shared with sister, Venus.

Oldest player to hold No. 1 ranking

1st player to have more than twice as many points as anyone else on the WTA Rankings

Oldest player to win a grand slam singles title

First player in tennis history to win the Season-Ending Championships on her debut

First woman in history to win singles titles at (1) a Grand Slam event, (2) a Premier Mandatory event, (3) the Olympics [gold medal], and (4) the WTA Championships in the same season

Only player, male or female, to ever accomplish a Career Golden Slam in singles and doubles

Destroying revisionist haters is so fun! :D
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
I stand corrected. You may also fall into the category of persons who recognizing only calendar grand slam as "grand slam". But I won't tell anyone.

Hint: Go back and read what was actually claimed! :D
It's quite obvious he meant a calendar golden slam, not a career one.
 

mightyrick

Legend
Looks like Serena was playing doubles in the Ladies Final. All the more impressive.

"as one male tweeter put it: "Serena Williams won a grand slam while she was pregnant so every man should probably shut up about everything forever."

The US tennis player's announcement that she is 20 weeks pregnant means she won her record-breaking 23rd and most recent Grand Slam singles title at the Australian Open while eight weeks into her pregnancy, at the age of 35.

On social media, the revelation has prompted both men and women to claim she is the GOAT - greatest of all time - and worthy of immense admiration."

I don't see how it is disputed that she is the greatest of all time anymore. The thought that a 35 year-old woman who is 8 weeks pregnant can win the Australian Open. In that heat. On that surface. It is absolutely unthinkable. And she had to go through Safarova, Konta, and Venus Williams.

And here is the really sickening thing. At the next Australian Open, she will have had four months to get herself back into form. I can't believe she would be able to win the 2018 AO... but I can't count her out. She seems to be able to do anything. She might become a 36 year-old woman who won the 2017 AO while 8 weeks pregnant... and then wins the 2018 AO... four months postpartum.

At this point, I don't think there's anything she can't do. This woman (with a reduced schedule) could probably literally play until she was 45 years old... and still be the favorite at most majors.
 

Service Ace

Hall of Fame
I stand corrected. You may also fall into the category of persons who recognizing only calendar grand slam as "grand slam". But I won't tell anyone.

Hint: Go back and read what was actually claimed! :D

He said career and he was correct. Inferring he meant calendar because one blowhard doesn't know the difference and insulted himself in the process of trying to insult others doesn't change what he said being correct.

Hint: the blowhard is the hater in this thread giving Fed fans a bad name
 

Service Ace

Hall of Fame
True -- but the same argument can be made for Graf, Evert, and Court as well. When it comes to doubles, Martina is the GOAT. But usually in these discussions people are talking about the singles GOAT, and doubles only comes into play when trying to separate similarly rated singles players.


Most hardcourt grand slam singles titles

By winning the 2001 Australian Open doubles championship with Venus Williams, became the fifth pair to complete a Career Doubles Grand Slam and the only pair to win a Career Doubles Golden Slam.

By winning the 2005 Australian Open by defeating Mauresmo and Davenport, became the only player in tennis history to win three Grand Slam singles titles (1999 U.S. Open, 2002 Roland Garros) by beating the top two ranked players.

Only player to have won three Grand Slam singles titles after saving match points (2003 Australian Open versus Kim Clijsters, 2005 Australian Open versus Maria Sharapova, and 2009 Wimbledon versus Elena Dementieva).

Lowest ranked player (No. 18) to defeat the Top-2 players in the world in the same tournament

She became the only person in history, male or female, to win three of the four grand slams 6 times

Only player, male or female, to complete the Career Golden Slam after turning 30 years of age

Only player, male or female, to win 10+ grand slam singles titles in two separate decades (10 in the 2000s and 12 in the 2010s)

By reaching the final of the 2003 Australian Open, she and sister Venus became the first players to compete in 4 consecutive slam finals

The only pair to win a Career Doubles Golden Slam and first pair in the Open Era to complete the Career Doubles Golden Slam twice

Set a record for most aces served in a tournament, hitting 102 aces in the tournament, which was the most of men or women at the Championships that year

Longest span between first (2003) and last (2017) Australian Open titles

Longest span between first (2002) and last (2015) Roland Garros titles

Longest span between first (2002) and last (2016) Wimbledon titles

Longest span between first (1999) and last (2014) US Open titles

Longest-ever gap between stints at No. 1 (five years, one month)

First woman to win 60+ career matches in all four Grand Slams in the Open Era

Oldest player to hold all Grand Slam singles titles simultaneously

316 grand slam singles match wins is more than any player, male or female, in tennis history

First, and only, woman to win US$80,000,000 in career prize money

Highest earning female athlete of all-time in terms of prize money across all sports

Most decorated tennis player in the Olympics with a record of 4 gold medals shared with sister, Venus.

Oldest player to hold No. 1 ranking

1st player to have more than twice as many points as anyone else on the WTA Rankings

Oldest player to win a grand slam singles title

First player in tennis history to win the Season-Ending Championships on her debut

First woman in history to win singles titles at (1) a Grand Slam event, (2) a Premier Mandatory event, (3) the Olympics [gold medal], and (4) the WTA Championships in the same season

Only player, male or female, to ever accomplish a Career Golden Slam in singles and doubles

Destroying revisionist haters is so fun! :D

Time to go home @Chadillac
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
He said career and he was correct. Inferring he meant calendar because one blowhard doesn't know the difference and insulted himself in the process of trying to insult others doesn't change what he said being correct.

Hint: the blowhard is the hater in this thread giving Fed fans a bad name

The original discussion was regarding Graf having the golden slam, so anything following from that is automatically inferred to be regarding the calendar slam, not the career one.
 

Soianka

Hall of Fame
I don't think she will dominate either but she has a much bigger chance to win something significant with Serena absent. It's very open, Pliskova, Kerber, Venus, Svitolina, Konta and a few others, unpredictable times coming up in WTA. Non-meldoniun-enhanced Sharapova won Wimbledon and was the world #1 so I am only concerned with her being rusty after a long break from the game.

Sharapova was 17 at the time when she won a slam without Meldonium. It will be interesting to see if she can do the same in her older age.
 

Service Ace

Hall of Fame
The original discussion was regarding Graf having the golden slam, so anything following from that is automatically inferred to be regarding the calendar slam, not the career one.

Imagine having 3rd grade reading comprehension and then trying to justify it as being everyone else's problem but your own. That's you. You were wrong, own up to it. Not that I expect anything approaching adult maturity based on your prior responses.
 

KINGROGER

G.O.A.T.
Imagine having 3rd grade reading comprehension and then trying to justify it as being everyone else's problem but your own. That's you. You were wrong, own up to it. Not that I expect anything approaching adult maturity based on your prior responses.

I wasn't wrong about anything. Serena has not won the golden slam that Graf did in 1988, fact.

1. Court
2. Graf
3. Serena (until she reaches 24 slams with CYGS, or wins CYGS to become 2nd co-GOAT with Graf)
 
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