Serena leaves press conference in tears....

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She kind of has lost her right to shed tears, what with winning 23 slams, being ultra-wealthy, behaving worse than Connors, Mac, Nastase, Fognini and Kyrgios in many of her matches, and having proven not to respect most other fellow players... Or line-judges, or fans, or anyone.

So, no, her crying in front of the PC press is NOT the same as anyone else doing it...
A person is a person in spite of how much money she may have made and has the emotions anybody else may go through. She's not supposed to hold back her tears just so she doesn't trigger snowflakes like you.
 
The usual mantra around here is 'nice guys finish last', but ladies must be ladies apparently.
It's called ladies tennis. Or am I wrong?

Should they be wild animals? Anti-social loons?

I understand that PC mantra requires grrl power women to act like wild animals, which somehow is supposed to prove their equality to men, but a bit of decorum wouldn't hurt, just as it wouldn't hurt some male players...
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
It's called ladies tennis. Or am I wrong?

Should they be wild animals? Anti-social loons?

I understand that PC mantra requires grrl power women to act like wild animals, which somehow is supposed to prove their equality to men, but a bit of decorum wouldn't hurt, just as it wouldn't hurt some male players...
Stupid post. No one needs your permission to be what they want to be. If you can't stand strong independent women, that is your insecurity and your problem. No one needs to adjust to your misogynist views.
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
A person is a person in spite of how much money she may have made and has the emotions anybody else may go through. She's not supposed to hold back her tears just so she doesn't trigger snowflakes like you.
Tears are one thing (hard not to feel sorry for anyone in tears ie. Kenin), but not a mention of Osaka before the tears came. And it's not as if all her other Press Conferences are a bowl of cherries after she's lost.
 
Nope. The only ones triggered are you, hyperventilating because she cried. Not to mention most of you are the same people who defended Djokovic when he hit a line judge with the ball. So cry me a river.
I don't believe any person in the history of mankind has ever "hyperventilated" because a tennis champ cried on TV.

Your theories are however fun, as nonsense usually is. Please do go on...
 
Tears are one thing (hard no to feel sorry for anyone in tears ie. Kenin), but not a mention of Osaka before the tears came. And it's not as if all her other Press Conferences are a bowl of cherries after she's lost.
That still doesn't make her tears any of the things people have claimed they do. Of course if you have made up your mind to find fault, you will anyhow but it's really not a biggie. So ****ing what if she cried, really, what's the big deal about it.
 
Stupid post. No one needs your permission to be what they want to be. If you can't stand strong independent women, that is your insecurity and your problem. No one needs to adjust to your misogynist views.
Were you...

Were you responding to someone else?

I have this strange feeling of massive non-sequitur invading the thread...
 
I don't believe any person in the history of mankind has ever "hyperventilated" because a tennis champ cried on TV.
That still doesn't make her tears any of the things people have claimed they do. Of course if you have made up your mind to find fault, you will anyhow but it's really not a biggie. So ****ing what if she cried, really, what's the big deal about it.
Nope, I was wrong... It exists.
 
It's called ladies tennis. Or am I wrong?

Should they be wild animals? Anti-social loons?

I understand that PC mantra requires grrl power women to act like wild animals, which somehow is supposed to prove their equality to men, but a bit of decorum wouldn't hurt, just as it wouldn't hurt some male players...
Here you go, since you insist. Wild animals? Really? And I bet you have no complaints whatsoever about Djokovic's fist pumping and screaming when he wins. How insecure must you be that a woman showing aggression on television triggers you so much. Must suck to be you.
 
Here you go, since you insist. Wild animals? Really? And I bet you have no complaints whatsoever about Djokovic's fist pumping and screaming when he wins. How insecure must you be that a woman showing aggression on television triggers you so much. Must suck to be you.
As per usual, the checkmate moment is never too far...

I have often posted comments mocking and criticizing Novak's cringe.

Check and mate.

(We are not all fanboiz. Some of us are objective tennis fans.)
 
As per usual, the checkmate moment is never too far...

I have often posted comments mocking and criticizing Novak's cringe.

Check and mate.

(We are not all fanboiz. Some of us are objective tennis fans.)
No, I am pretty sure you didn't call him a wild animal. And, um, if you did, you're just a fuddy duddy and a sad sack who should probably retire to his cave rather than let the modern world affect his sensitive feelings.
 

sureshs

Bionic Poster
Here you go, since you insist. Wild animals? Really? And I bet you have no complaints whatsoever about Djokovic's fist pumping and screaming when he wins. How insecure must you be that a woman showing aggression on television triggers you so much. Must suck to be you.
Yeah such posters never show up when it is about Kyrgios or Djokovic.
 
No, I am pretty sure you didn't call him a wild animal. And, um, if you did, you're just a fuddy duddy and a sad sack who should probably retire to his cave rather than let the modern world affect his sensitive feelings.
I love that cringey "and, oh, um" Sarcasm 100 moment... It never is far off...

Since we're discussing cringe.

Boob throwing is peanuts compared to some of the cringe we find here...

You done with the angry hateful tirades? Lemme know when you are so we don't continue discussing this like two rabid wild animals... Or one....
 
I love that cringey "and, oh, um" Sarcasm 100 moment... It never is far off...

Since we're discussing cringe.

Boob throwing is peanuts compared to some of the cringe we find here...

You done with the angry hateful tirades? Lemme know when you are so we don't continue discussing this like two rabid wild animals... Or one....
Oh yeah, somebody who spews hate non stop about a player for committing the crime of crying in a press conference talks about the other hating? Classic, classic.
 
She's not supposed to hold back her tears just so she doesn't trigger snowflakes like you.
Followed by...
And, um, if you did, you're just a fuddy duddy and a sad sack who should probably retire to his cave rather than let the modern world affect his sensitive feelings.
... and...
That still doesn't make her tears any of the things people have claimed they do. Of course if you have made up your mind to find fault, you will anyhow but it's really not a biggie. So ****ing what if she cried, really, what's the big deal about it.
Any questions?
 
Followed by...

... and...

Any questions?
And what do you not understand? It was you who said hateful things about her. So you don't get to complain when it is pointed out to you how nonsensical it is to have such a violent reaction to a player crying in a press conference after losing. It's hilarious.
 

Red Rick

Bionic Poster
Tough match with Potapova in 3rd round, a war with Sabalenka in 4th round, these matches add up and at 40 really handicap her in the later rounds, . Where was the great fitness and movement last night, non existent against a player who hits a bigger more consistent ball. She hasn't won a set against a legit top player in a Slam since this quest for 24 resumed after giving birth. Stop ignoring the depth of the field, that and father time will prevent her from getting #24.
If her recovery is that trashed then there's pretty much no wincondition
 
Did anyone see the photo she posted (on instagram I think) just after losing yesterday? It illustrates why a lot of people wouldn't like her. If you read body language, the pose she put on there is very narcissistic (almost God like, saying adore me/worship me). She can write the words that make it seem like she is trying to portray being a champion, having love for her fans but body language doesn't lie--she's pretty much always being fake, dismissive and up herself.

Sure she made lots of errors but why can't she just say "Osaka was better than me today/she played amazing"...instead she blames the loss on her own poor performance. She could have played better and perhaps (likely) still lost. She is almost always a sore loser, which to me is not a champion mentality. During this tournament she played the best she has played in years because she was finally in better shape and it was more bearable to watch, even good to watch, even had me rooting for her to win the whole thing for moments or two because the person playing the best should win. Off court, she won't have my respect though because she is rude 95% of the time. Insufferable person.
 
And what do you not understand? It was you who said hateful things about her. So you don't get to complain when it is pointed out to you how nonsensical it is to have such a violent reaction to a player crying in a press conference after losing. It's hilarious.
Read your own post from earlier...
Here you go, since you insist. Wild animals? Really? And I bet you have no complaints whatsoever about Djokovic's fist pumping and screaming when he wins. How insecure must you be that a woman showing aggression on television triggers you so much. Must suck to be you.
Who's full of hate?...

Think hard.
 
What a crock of BS.

Don't be too quick to throw everyone in the same bath.

Not every player is self-centered, entitled, foul mouthed, delusional or a sore loser.

She's in a position of privilege and should set the example for others, not the least to other African Americans; instead, with her fake woke incessant virtue signaling like standing for women, mothers, fairness, tolerance instead of racism, she's become the poster woman for the KU KLUX Clan recruitment office.

By incessantly claiming to defend some values, she's gone full circle and betrayed them.

That's on her, and her only.
It's much more complicated than that.
First of all, I think it's perfectly legitimate - and even refreshing - for someone to genuinely be who they actually are; show those emotions, frustrations, petty hatreds, entitlement, gamesmanship, many of those things that make us human, and that are only the other side of being magnanimous, kind, humble, sportsmanlike, etc. Some people will like it, others won't. Players will always oscillate from one extreme to the other, so you will always have your McEnroes, Connors and Kyrgios, but also your Edbergs, Corretjas and Clijsters (the latter tend to be rare), but most people will fall somewhere in between those extremes. What I criticise is when, through success or dominance in the sport and sponsorship deals, a whole industry develops around you and what is now your "brand", that makes it impossible for you to remain in that position unless 1) you're somewhat "softened"(in case you're a bit of a hothead) or made to defend the American dream fairytale, and/or 2) allowed to do what you like and say what you want, and show all the ugliness you can muster, with the insurance policy that the machine that supports you in your position of privilege will always reinterpret your missteps as victimhood/courage/healthy competitiveness (this was quite clear in the Carlos Alves case). So in a way, power in competitive sports renders you powerless: in becoming a tennis superstar, Serena didn't cease to be a woman/black (these two dimensions, by themselves, don't really threaten economic power in any meaningful way), but she did cease to be poor/destitute to become a millionaire. So of course racial/feminist tokenism became her official discourse, rich people became her entourage, and the potentially revolutionary power she initially had was ultimately buried deep under tons of cash and privilege. What else could her future have been as a successful black tennis player in a neoliberal society?

The very idea that these top athletes have to serve as "examples to others", when they're otherwise pretty average people trying to get ahead in life like anyone else (and often without the free time or the scholarship to see the "big picture"), that they should be role models in any way to anyone, is tied up with this system of privilege that says only a few can get to the very top, where a huge amount of the world's riches and resources are concentrated. If in sports people received more or less equal salaries and winning was compensated with a symbolic artefact like a laurel wreath that everyone would fight for in a search for glory/immortality (I'm obviously thinking of a different way to structure sports and society as a whole; I'm not necessarily saying it's the right or desirable way to do it), nobody would need their personality, their choices in life, the things they say or think, to be carefully tweaked and manufactured in such a way that it sells shirts or gives people (unfounded) hope that society is getting "better" (who is it getting better for exactly?).

People make their own choices in life (it's called ethics), and "examples" can be drawn from many different people (not just "heroes" or those who achieve what we call "success" in our highly pyramidal societies), we're not - or should not be - only passive receptacles and vessels of causes (struggle A or struggle B or struggle C) or naive reactionary victims of hateful discourse (which is why I completely disagree with the idea that "wokeness" magically creates the KKK, as if people are innocent at heart and don't make clear choices towards hatred and bigotry when life becomes more difficult, often in moments of economic crisis). Ethical choices rather than moral codes, that's my motto.
 
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And what do you not understand? It was you who said hateful things about her. So you don't get to complain when it is pointed out to you how nonsensical it is to have such a violent reaction to a player crying in a press conference after losing. It's hilarious.
Did anyone see the photo she posted (on instagram I think) just after losing yesterday? It illustrates why a lot of people wouldn't like her. If you read body language, the pose she put on there is very narcissistic (almost God like, saying adore me/worship me). She can write the words that make it seem like she is trying to portray being a champion, having love for her fans but body language doesn't lie--she's pretty much always being fake, dismissive and up herself.

Sure she made lots of errors but why can't she just say "Osaka was better than me today/she played amazing"...instead she blames the loss on her own poor performance. She could have played better and perhaps (likely) still lost. She is almost always a sore loser, which to me is not a champion mentality. During this tournament she played the best she has played in years because she was finally in better shape and it was more bearable to watch, even good to watch, even had me rooting for her to win the whole thing for moments or two because the person playing the best should win. Off court, she won't have my respect though because she is rude 95% of the time. Insufferable person.
Dolgopolov85, was this also a hateful post?

Or did user Ihitlikeagirl simply express his opinions without drama-queening all over the thread?
 

Mr.Lob

Legend
Tough match with Potapova in 3rd round, a war with Sabalenka in 4th round, these matches add up and at 40 really handicap her in the later rounds, . Where was the great fitness and movement last night, non existent against a player who hits a bigger more consistent ball. She hasn't won a set against a legit top player in a Slam since this quest for 24 resumed after giving birth. Stop ignoring the depth of the field, that and father time will prevent her from getting #24.
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Serena won in 2 sets against Potapova (6-2 in second), Sabalenka choked, Serena is not 40 years old, I never wrote Serena had "great fitness and movement" , Serena did beat a "legit top player" in #2 Simona Halep.
Congratulations, you got every single thing wrong..
 

PDJ

G.O.A.T.
That still doesn't make her tears any of the things people have claimed they do. Of course if you have made up your mind to find fault, you will anyhow but it's really not a biggie. So ****ing what if she cried, really, what's the big deal about it.
Agreed. So many people cry it's not that big a deal. Although when Novotna cried that was heartbreaking. Even more so in hindsight.
 

celito

Semi-Pro
Serena may be the greatest female tennis player of all time. If she was an a*hole sometimes, it's probably because she had to be. Her outburst about being a mother, came with her realisation that her dominating days were over.

Doesn't take away from her greatness though.
Right. Nothing is her fault. She "had" to be an *******.
 
No, honey, YOUR feelings. I didn't quote that poster, you did. You literally drew my attention to it, begging me to pick a fight with them too. LOL, how needy can you be.
LOL = in the Internetese language roughly translates to "I'm crying on the inside but trying to put a brave face when faced with total defeat... my ego is hurtin' an' I be cryin' but I don't want it showin'..."

Good luck with the recovery. Thumbs up. Not all is lost.

And Serena could win no 24, you might even scream for days in happiness... Don't lose hope.
 

celito

Semi-Pro
Crying is not a problem here. End of careers are emotional and it's fine she is overcome by emotions. Saying that losing the match was all on her and not giving credit to her opponent was pretty small of her. At 39 she should have already learned a thing or two. But it's far from the worst things she has done over her career.
 

JustMy2Cents

Semi-Pro
A C-section is a major surgery, and it can change a person's body and especially their core muscles in drastic ways. It's probably this factor that's hindering Serena from sustaining her physicality and power.

And re her words about her UEs, it's a fact. Why should it trigger viewers. It's not that she got blasted off the court but she made the UEs from non compromised positions. Why should she not say it?
 

fed1

Professional
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Serena won in 2 sets against Potapova (6-2 in second), Sabalenka choked, Serena is not 40 years old, I never wrote Serena had "great fitness and movement" , Serena did beat a "legit top player" in #2 Simona Halep.
Congratulations, you got every single thing wrong..
Semantics aside, Potapova was a tough straight set match, those happen occasionally ;), "choking" Sabalenka took her deep into the third set, not beneficial to Serena a this stage of her career and she will be 40 in 6 months :rolleyes:. The point is the field is to deep at Majors for her to break through.
 

tlsmikey

New User
Not a fan of Serena's at all, but I don't like seeing anyone in tears during a press conference. Elite athletes and all time greats don't have a great way to get a graceful exit in most sports so I can understand how tough it will be for her. She's still playing well and beating high quality opponents, but her footspeed is slow and there are several women who hit just as hard as she does now. Time is ticking and i'm sure she sees it.
 
A person is a person in spite of how much money she may have made and has the emotions anybody else may go through. She's not supposed to hold back her tears just so she doesn't trigger snowflakes like you.
That's like saying "the sky is blue and you know it!"

We all know she is a person, nobody said she's a chair or a meteroid.

You failed to understand my point, but then... you always do...
 
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PETEhammer

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Stupid post. No one needs your permission to be what they want to be. If you can't stand strong independent women, that is your insecurity and your problem. No one needs to adjust to your misogynist views.
You tell 'em Sureshs
 

Enceladus

Legend
I'm not convinced it's over.

She could eke out another Wimbledon title? Naomi is hell for her right now but that might not matter at Wimbledon. I know many players cause her problems these days but I'm not sure the time has come and gone just yet.

One more, I say!
And I'm saying Serena won't win a grandslam anymore, mark my words. The female tennis players are no longer afraid of her as in the past, and Serena is no longer as mentally strong and tenacious as she used to be.
 
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PETEhammer

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Aside from her failing to give credit to Naomi, who played some amazing tennis in the match, I don't see what the big deal is. She was emotional over a really tough loss. Get over it.
 
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